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Post by touchdownbeavers on Dec 3, 2017 7:22:51 GMT -8
...it's not absolutely necessary, if all 5 players on the court can pass and come to meet the ball. It can be an overrated position. In reality, what is expected of a 'point guard'? To deliver the ball where it needs to be? I will suggest that that is what all players on the court are supposed to do, whether it be Nate Archibald or Larry Bird.
and while I'm on this soapbox......
Greshambeaver, #2 ass hat on this board, suggests that McLaughlin leaving is an example that WT has "lost" this team; that the BB program is worse than the FB program; that an undiscovered meteor will arrive as earth's rotation moves his house to the exact point of impact; that the I VOTED FOR TRUMP bumpersticker on his SMARTFORTWO leased car was an act of vandalism Of course he won't read or post what McLaughlin is quoted as saying when he announced his decision.
“Being a student-athlete is a lot of work and there are some challenges that I’ve been faced with that have impacted me and kept me from being able to compete to the best of my ability in a way that would help my team win games."
A few years ago OSU had a football player who decided to sit out from the program for awhile, and many people, myself included, posted their theories. None of them, as I remember, were correct. Turns out he was suffering from depression. I don't think WT has 'lost' this team, but some of you have 'lost' me.
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Post by greshambeaver on Dec 3, 2017 8:03:51 GMT -8
Okay your opinion is that I am an asshat? Good god, a person can't give his or her observation on this board without being attacked. I didn't say W.T. was a horrible man or a bad father, all I said was he was a very poor game day coach, as evidenced by the game yesterday.
Right now I would rather have Payne, Robinson or AndersOn back as our H.B.C. that is just my observation. Tinkle is terrible, if you can't see that you a blind.
As far as coach AndersEn is concerned, I am of the opinion of most on this board, happy he is gone, but I see no sense in continuing the character assassination, GET OVER IT!
The fact that McLaughlin left is a still a matter of opinion, just because he said what he says doesn't say he would have done well with a different mentor. Not sure what your trump comment meant, it seemed pretty STUPID, but if you knew me you would know I hate "The donnie" he is a piece of s%#t, having said that I thought political comments like yours and "mine" were supposed to be sanctioned on this board. Why don't you just SHUT THE HELL UP!
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Post by seastape on Dec 3, 2017 19:45:11 GMT -8
I wish there was a way to block a thread
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Post by beaverstever on Dec 3, 2017 23:19:19 GMT -8
This thread derailed quickly (from start), but it is a worthwhile subject. Yes, it's not critical to have a great PG, but teams with great PGs tend to do very well. If you don't have one, you better have someone good at distributing the ball and coordinating the defense at one of the positions. We had this last with Roeland Schaftenaar on the offensive end, although Rickey Claitt ended up being a pretty decent PG by the end of his season. Since them, not so much. When I think of a 'true' point guard, it's they player that makes sure things are working at both ends. On offense, it's reading the defense, getting people into position, setting the plays in motion at the right timing, and breaking down the defense individually to create pressure points as needed. On defense, it's making sure everybody knows what they are in, in the right place, that shooters are being tracked, people are communicating about weakside cutters, where backside help is needed, etc. GP II was all that on defense, and covered a bit of it on offense - more out of necessity than desire/capability. If you remember his dad's playing days, GP was jawing and wagging his finger at his teammates much more than he was trash talking his defender. He just always saw what was happening and made sure everybody else did too. If you go back and read what was said about JM before he arrived, there was lots about his ability to run a large number of plays, react quickly to defenses, being college ready, etc - it all sounded exactly what we needed. His time at OSU vs. my high hopes based on what was said of him are simply worlds apart. Ultimately, it seems like his inability to be an individual offensive threat and/or a lock-down defender at this level limited him from realizing the rest of what he could offer. Referece e.g www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2016/05/jaquori_mclaughlin_incoming_or.html |
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Post by touchdownbeavers on Dec 4, 2017 19:46:56 GMT -8
No reason to block the thread. I just get a bit tired reading how bad our coaches are, how certain current teams are the "WORST" in someone's OSU memory, how OSU needs to spend money to upgrade facilities and hire coaches, and then in the same paragraph, a declaration that the someone is finished with donating money and purchasing tickets. Lot's of hospitals have units whose surgeons can probably stand some over the shoulder kibitizing based on something posted on YouTube.
GreshamBeav, I understand your frustration, perhaps you can understand mine. I believe we are all working and contributing what we can and are able to this athletic program. GlobalModerator. Roeland Schaftenaar was a good example of what I was speaking about. Point Forward.
WSU had , damn, so long ago, TWO point guards. Ray Stein and Lenny Allen. and they played together. Got to watch them both play 3 games at the Far West Classic. First time I ever saw two players pass the ball to each other, out of bounds, underneath their own basket, to begin a full court press break. I was just a kid in wonderment. This is from an article about Marv Harshman. "HARSHMAN won 642 games in a 40-year career. He spent 13 seasons each at PLU and Washington State and 14 at Washington. He won 155 games with the Cougs.
And that his recruiting budget in 1964-65, the year Heathcote joined him, was all of $800.
That's when the talk turns to air travel -– or lack there of.
"We had $800 (to recruit with) and a state car, so we drove everywhere. We never had any money to fly guys in," he remembers.
Not surprisingly, his 13 Cougar teams were home grown.
Sells and Terry Ball, two of his early standouts, were from Seattle; Rick Erickson and Jim McKean, perhaps the biggest stars of the Harshman era, hailed from Vancouver and Tacoma. Ted Wierman and Lenny Allen were from Yakima. Ted Werner, Lake Stevens. Ray Stein, Richland. The list goes on."
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