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Post by 56chevy on Nov 27, 2017 10:39:12 GMT -8
When Anderson quit, the only thing that Barnes said that made any sense at all in his press conference is that it put us in a better position to find a coach than having to wait around until the end of the year. With all of the firings over the last week and 15 schools now out looking for a new coach it looks to me like we have completely blown it. I hope I am wrong.
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Post by obf on Nov 27, 2017 10:58:26 GMT -8
When Anderson quit, the only thing that Barnes said that made any sense at all in his press conference is that it put us in a better position to find a coach than having to wait around until the end of the year. With all of the firings over the last week and 15 schools now out looking for a new coach it looks to me like we have completely blown it. I hope I am wrong. That's funny, because I thought it was the only thing he said that made NO SENSE... The only coaches it put us at an advantage for were the ones who didn't already have jobs, and those guys were either unwanted (Briles), no longer want to be coaches (Gruden, etc) or bigger names that were going to wait for the rest of the firings to happen anyways (Miles). I didn't understand it then, and I don't know, so maybe you can educate me, why did Andersen quitting when he did give us any advantage at all??? Since there was no actual advantage other than PR spin from Barnes, he didn't blow anything...
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Post by korculabeav on Nov 27, 2017 11:09:09 GMT -8
One of the benefits of a mid season firing or coach quitting is it could start backdoor communication from a coach in an existing job who may be inclined to leave but hasn't made it public. Whether a younger coach who is an OC/DC or at a non P5 school as an HC. It appears that may not have beared any fruit in this case. OSU had the first P5 opening in OCTOBER. That is EARLY. So was the AD out there seeing if a Norvell at Memphis, a Scott Frost at UCF, a Tedford at Fresno, etc. might have interest? If that sniffing did not occur, then the situation was NO BETTER than had QA stayed until the Civil War.
Blown opportunity if OSU did not use the extra time to vet potential candidates informally and formally.
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Post by kersting13 on Nov 27, 2017 11:18:18 GMT -8
One of the benefits of a mid season firing or coach quitting is it could start backdoor communication from a coach in an existing job who may be inclined to leave but hasn't made it public. Whether a younger coach who is an OC/DC or at a non P5 school as an HC. It appears that may not have beared any fruit in this case. OSU had the first P5 opening in OCTOBER. That is EARLY. So was the AD out there seeing if a Norvell at Memphis, a Scott Frost at UCF, a Tedford at Fresno, etc. might have interest? If that sniffing did not occur, then the situation was NO BETTER than had QA stayed until the Civil War. Blown opportunity if OSU did not use the extra time to vet potential candidates informally and formally. I'm going to assume that Barnes is NOT a complete idiot, and actually put out all the feelers once GA quit. Why would you assume otherwise? One of the few benefits of the job opening prior to season's end is the "backdoor" communication you're speaking of, I can't imagine it didn't happen.
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Post by korculabeav on Nov 27, 2017 11:26:54 GMT -8
One of the few benefits of the job opening prior to season's end is the "backdoor" communication you're speaking of, I can't imagine it didn't happen. That is what we all hope will result in the "right" hire here. If that is Baldwin, each person's opinion will conclude if that is the "right" hire. If Baldwin's hire comes from "backdoor" conversations since QA's departure, then it worked.
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Post by grackle on Nov 27, 2017 11:36:16 GMT -8
Said it before...I'll say it again -- at this point in time, I fear that Barnes is the absolute wrong guy to be leading a search for OSU's head man. He hasn't been in Corvallis long enough to begin to understand what's really needed for OSU FB to be successful and I have serious doubts about the success of other FB searches he's led.
Hope I'm wrong, but we may well be entering a prolonged era of OSU FB futility. For that I largely blame GA and the lingering effect of his poor choice of assistants and the impact of his mid-season desertion.
Crap.
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Post by beaverbeliever89 on Nov 27, 2017 11:46:23 GMT -8
Could not agree more. Every coach, coordinator, etc who applied for this job should have remained on the potential list. The s%#t show that unfolded over the weekend was embarrassing. I have to think that a handful of the potential hires "pumped the breaks" after doing their due dilagince into this potential job. I am now more than ever hoping for a seasoned coach who does not care about building their resume, but only cares about creating a culture of winning and remaining competitive. I do not care if we are in the middle of a down year, as a Pac 12 member, we should not ever get blown out by more than 50 points by any other Pac 12 school. I do not have any confidence in Barnes or Ray at this point and can only hope that the boosters are applying pressure to the powers that be to pull their heads out of their asses and to do what is right for our football program.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 27, 2017 11:52:11 GMT -8
He hasn't been in Corvallis long enough to begin to understand what's really needed for OSU FB to be successful and I have serious doubts about the success of other FB searches he's led.
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John Byrne was in Corvallis a long time and he's the guy who nixed then-Idaho coach Dennis Erickson for Kragthorpe.
Dee Andros had been in Corvallis a long time and he's the guy who hired Fertig over Rich Brooks, and who then compounded the mistake by hiring Joe A.
As for Barnes' other FB hires, Andersen and Wells both did well at USU. Wulff did well at EWU. He did not hire Pat Narduzzi at Pitt.
As for last Saturday, any coach worth his salt could see that one coming a mile away and one game won't change anyone's mind. It was already very obvious this will be a major repair job.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2017 12:02:55 GMT -8
He hasn't been in Corvallis long enough to begin to understand what's really needed for OSU FB to be successful and I have serious doubts about the success of other FB searches he's led. =================================== John Byrne was in Corvallis a long time and he's the guy who nixed then-Idaho coach Dennis Erickson for Kragthorpe. Dee Andros had been in Corvallis a long time and he's the guy who hired Fertig over Rich Brooks, and who then compounded the mistake by hiring Joe A. As for Barnes' other FB hires, Anderson and Wells both did well at USU. Wulff did well at EWU. He did not hire Pat Narduzzi at Pitt. As for last Saturday, any coach worth his salt could see that one coming a mile away and one game won't change anyone's mind. It was already very obvious this will be a major repair job. Quit with that logic........dont you realize this is about a tough season that has many fans feeling the need for a pound of flesh?...lol
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 27, 2017 12:16:10 GMT -8
He hasn't been in Corvallis long enough to begin to understand what's really needed for OSU FB to be successful and I have serious doubts about the success of other FB searches he's led. =================================== John Byrne was in Corvallis a long time and he's the guy who nixed then-Idaho coach Dennis Erickson for Kragthorpe. Dee Andros had been in Corvallis a long time and he's the guy who hired Fertig over Rich Brooks, and who then compounded the mistake by hiring Joe A. As for Barnes' other FB hires, Anderson and Wells both did well at USU. Wulff did well at EWU. He did not hire Pat Narduzzi at Pitt. As for last Saturday, any coach worth his salt could see that one coming a mile away and one game won't change anyone's mind. It was already very obvious this will be a major repair job. Not to mention DeCarolis had been in town for quite a long time when he hired Anderson. Corvallis is not so special that it needs some super hard to find Corvallis type of coach. It needs a good coach, just like any other town does, to succeed. Granted the fit needs to be right, but I think Barnes has been here long enough to have a pretty good idea of what that means.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 27, 2017 13:04:25 GMT -8
He hasn't been in Corvallis long enough to begin to understand what's really needed for OSU FB to be successful and I have serious doubts about the success of other FB searches he's led. =================================== John Byrne was in Corvallis a long time and he's the guy who nixed then-Idaho coach Dennis Erickson for Kragthorpe. Dee Andros had been in Corvallis a long time and he's the guy who hired Fertig over Rich Brooks, and who then compounded the mistake by hiring Joe A. As for Barnes' other FB hires, Anderson and Wells both did well at USU. Wulff did well at EWU. He did not hire Pat Narduzzi at Pitt. As for last Saturday, any coach worth his salt could see that one coming a mile away and one game won't change anyone's mind. It was already very obvious this will be a major repair job. Dr. John Byrne received his doctorate from USC. He had worked at Oregon State for 20+ years, but he had spent the previous 3+ years leading up to his hiring in Maryland, working for the Reagan Administration. He only returned in November 1984, which is about the time that he was fowling up the Erickson to Oregon State deal that Andros had all but finalized. The athletic director in 1975 was still Jim Barratt. The final three in 1975 were Brooks, Terry Donahue, and Fertig. Andros really liked Fertig and had tried to get him on his staff in 1975, but Barratt told Andros that he did not have the budget. USC hired John Robinson over Fertig, indicating that Fertig was the second choice. Oregon State gobbled Fertig up. To get Fertig to come, Andros promised Fertig more money than Barratt had given Andros. Still, Fertig was Barratt's hire, not Andros's. Dick Vermiel abruptly left UCLA after the Rose Bowl, and UCLA hired Donahue. Donahue hired Brooks to coach linebackers and special teams in 1976. Oregon hired Brooks the next year. It is hard to imagine the 1975 coaching search going worse. Oregon, UCLA, and USC made out like bandits and Oregon State set its program down a bad road.
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Post by korculabeav on Nov 27, 2017 13:07:52 GMT -8
He hasn't been in Corvallis long enough to begin to understand what's really needed for OSU FB to be successful and I have serious doubts about the success of other FB searches he's led. =================================== John Byrne was in Corvallis a long time and he's the guy who nixed then-Idaho coach Dennis Erickson for Kragthorpe. Dee Andros had been in Corvallis a long time and he's the guy who hired Fertig over Rich Brooks, and who then compounded the mistake by hiring Joe A. As for Barnes' other FB hires, Anderson and Wells both did well at USU. Wulff did well at EWU. He did not hire Pat Narduzzi at Pitt. As for last Saturday, any coach worth his salt could see that one coming a mile away and one game won't change anyone's mind. It was already very obvious this will be a major repair job. Dr. John Byrne received his doctorate from USC. He had worked at Oregon State for 20+ years, but he had spent the previous 3+ years leading up to his hiring in Maryland, working for the Reagan Administration. He only returned in November 1984, which is about the time that he was fowling up the Erickson to Oregon State deal that Andros had all but finalized. The athletic director in 1975 was still Jim Barratt. The final three in 1975 were Brooks, Terry Donahue, and Fertig. Andros really liked Fertig and had tried to get him on his staff in 1975, but Barratt told Andros that he did not have the budget. USC hired John Robinson over Fertig, indicating that Fertig was the second choice. Oregon State gobbled Fertig up. To get Fertig to come, Andros promised Fertig more money than Barratt had given Andros. Still, Fertig was Barratt's hire, not Andros's. Dick Vermiel abruptly left UCLA after the Rose Bowl, and UCLA hired Donahue. Donahue hired Brooks to coach linebackers and special teams in 1976. Oregon hired Brooks the next year. It is hard to imagine the 1975 coaching search going worse. Oregon, UCLA, and USC made out like bandits and Oregon State set its program down a bad road. That historical tidbit you just posted says it all about how OSU's leadership doomed the football program to three decades of sh*t! Similar actions today are taking this program on a return trajectory.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 27, 2017 13:19:19 GMT -8
Similar actions today are taking this program on a return trajectory.
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Have to disagree. OSU has made a staggering investment in facilities, something that did not happen between 1970-98.
Let's at least wait until the new coach is hired before saying we're doomed to two more decades of losing football.
And while he might have just returned from Maryland, Byrne had spent more than enough time in Corvallis to know the lay of the land.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 27, 2017 13:19:25 GMT -8
Dr. John Byrne received his doctorate from USC. He had worked at Oregon State for 20+ years, but he had spent the previous 3+ years leading up to his hiring in Maryland, working for the Reagan Administration. He only returned in November 1984, which is about the time that he was fowling up the Erickson to Oregon State deal that Andros had all but finalized. The athletic director in 1975 was still Jim Barratt. The final three in 1975 were Brooks, Terry Donahue, and Fertig. Andros really liked Fertig and had tried to get him on his staff in 1975, but Barratt told Andros that he did not have the budget. USC hired John Robinson over Fertig, indicating that Fertig was the second choice. Oregon State gobbled Fertig up. To get Fertig to come, Andros promised Fertig more money than Barratt had given Andros. Still, Fertig was Barratt's hire, not Andros's. Dick Vermiel abruptly left UCLA after the Rose Bowl, and UCLA hired Donahue. Donahue hired Brooks to coach linebackers and special teams in 1976. Oregon hired Brooks the next year. It is hard to imagine the 1975 coaching search going worse. Oregon, UCLA, and USC made out like bandits and Oregon State set its program down a bad road. That historical tidbit you just posted says it all about how OSU's leadership doomed the football program to three decades of sh*t! Similar actions today are taking this program on a return trajectory. Robert MacVicar was no friend to the football team, either. He undermined Andros and Barratt at pretty much every opportunity. Barratt got tired of it and resigned effective January 1976. Andros was promoted to replace Barratt. Andros promised a lot, but I do not know, if he could ever deliver with the hole that MacVicar had dug. Still Andros gave Avezzano an extra year after Avezzano went 0-11. One should remember that it was Barratt, who hired Ralph Miller away from Iowa in 1970. Between Jensen/Young in 1970 and Risser in 1996, MacVicar and Byrne seemed to do everything they could to make a successful football program as unlikely as possible. That represents 26 of the 28 years of The Streak. The ADs made some mis-steps, but they were working with a deck stacked against them from the get-go.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 27, 2017 14:10:05 GMT -8
Dr. John Byrne received his doctorate from USC. He had worked at Oregon State for 20+ years, but he had spent the previous 3+ years leading up to his hiring in Maryland, working for the Reagan Administration. He only returned in November 1984, which is about the time that he was fowling up the Erickson to Oregon State deal that Andros had all but finalized. The athletic director in 1975 was still Jim Barratt. The final three in 1975 were Brooks, Terry Donahue, and Fertig. Andros really liked Fertig and had tried to get him on his staff in 1975, but Barratt told Andros that he did not have the budget. USC hired John Robinson over Fertig, indicating that Fertig was the second choice. Oregon State gobbled Fertig up. To get Fertig to come, Andros promised Fertig more money than Barratt had given Andros. Still, Fertig was Barratt's hire, not Andros's. Dick Vermiel abruptly left UCLA after the Rose Bowl, and UCLA hired Donahue. Donahue hired Brooks to coach linebackers and special teams in 1976. Oregon hired Brooks the next year. It is hard to imagine the 1975 coaching search going worse. Oregon, UCLA, and USC made out like bandits and Oregon State set its program down a bad road. That historical tidbit you just posted says it all about how OSU's leadership doomed the football program to three decades of sh*t! Similar actions today are taking this program on a return trajectory. How could you even say that without knowing who the hire is?
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