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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 26, 2017 10:52:06 GMT -8
I am still trying to understand why so many have come to the conclusion that OSU is passing on a bunch of proven HC to hire Baldwin. What are people basing this on? This is the worst P5 job in the country (or tied for last with Kansas) and there are many P5 openings. Yes, it would be great if OSU could convince Scott Frost to come to Corvallis but its not gonna happen. Sadly for OSU we don't have a proven coach that got fired for mistreating an athlete like WSU was able to find so more than likely OSU is gonna get little to no interest from the proven guys since those proven guys have better options. Maybe (just maybe) Baldwin is getting the job because he is in fact the best candidate willing to take the job. I guess we could go with no HC in 2018, it'd be a bold move. Cotton would approve. Certainly you may be correct that Coach Baldwin may be the best they can do. If so OSU should be willing to sign him to at least a 5 year contract because given the current state of the program(talent level, facilities, current AD and President, culture of the program,etc.) it is going to take at least that long at best. I would prefer that OSU give all the GA money left + more to get a proven winning D1 coach for a 3 year contract with incentives, renewal provisions,etc. "all the GA money left + more" Are you advocating we give a new hire a 12 million signing bonus? That might turn some heads. We could probably pick up a coach that has the kind of success GA had at Wisconsin for that. Even if we give a good signing bonus and sweeten the pot to 4 mil a year, that 4 mil a year isn't even a top 20 salary right now. The schools we are competing against for the most part, maybe in total, have bigger stadiums than ours, in many cases much bigger, and can afford more. Back when Riley was here we averaged, what 41/42K seats sold a game. To really afford a spendy coach and staff we're really probably needing to sell 48K+ seats a game. Our stadium isn't big enough at this point. You gotta figure, depending on donation structures every 1000 season seats sold probably guarantees 250-500K a season in extra revenue. Schools with bigger stadiums can afford more, assuming they put butts in the seats. Gonna be tough for OSU to compete in those regards. WSU is going broke paying Leach, we could join them if we get carried away.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2017 11:09:42 GMT -8
I am still trying to understand why so many have come to the conclusion that OSU is passing on a bunch of proven HC to hire Baldwin. What are people basing this on? This is the worst P5 job in the country (or tied for last with Kansas) and there are many P5 openings. Yes, it would be great if OSU could convince Scott Frost to come to Corvallis but its not gonna happen. Sadly for OSU we don't have a proven coach that got fired for mistreating an athlete like WSU was able to find so more than likely OSU is gonna get little to no interest from the proven guys since those proven guys have better options. Maybe (just maybe) Baldwin is getting the job because he is in fact the best candidate willing to take the job. I guess we could go with no HC in 2018, it'd be a bold move. Cotton would approve. Certainly you may be correct that Coach Baldwin may be the best they can do. If so OSU should be willing to sign him to at least a 5 year contract because given the current state of the program(talent level, facilities, current AD and President, culture of the program,etc.) it is going to take at least that long at best. I would prefer that OSU give all the GA money left + more to get a proven winning D1 coach for a 3 year contract with incentives, renewal provisions,etc. What proven coach is gonna sign a 3 year contract? Edited to add: Other than Dennis Erickson, who seems willing to do so. I guess that could the route OSU goes. Good luck with recruiting when no one knows if the coach will be there when they are seniors.
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Post by skyrider on Nov 26, 2017 17:48:08 GMT -8
Good point! Give the proven winning D1 coach a four or five year deal would be a much better idea.
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Post by beavadelic on Nov 26, 2017 17:48:47 GMT -8
Thank you for your response. You state that "Baldwin is looked at as a hot prospect way beyond the walls of our administrative offices." What evidence do you have to support that position? I have seen nothing on the internet(search under Beau Baldwin possible head coaching positions, etc., etc.) except in regards to the OSU position that indicates he is a serious candidate for any other D1 head coaching positions. I have a feeling that Baldwin would’ve a hotter name for vacancies if he would have coached in the Midwest or east at the FCS level. Since right now the only job openings in the West are at UCLA and (as of today) ASU, along with OSU, there is just not a lot of options. Our games are late out here and the media doesn’t relatively know much about West Coast football. Not a sure thing, but I feel like he may surprise a lot of people with who he knows and how he recruits.
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Post by jbjam on Nov 26, 2017 21:47:21 GMT -8
People keep talking about a proven winning power conference coach. Even Nike couldn’t buy one for Oregon. Even LSU couldn’t get one. Unless you’re tOSU, USC(they couldn’t find one when they needed and had to gamble) Michigan etc it’s not happening. Most head coaches get fired. Why would we want a fired coach over someone that is full of potential. Even the ‘top’ schools promote a hot coord or a head coach from a lower conference.
How well did Bret Bielema work out for Arkansas . Who are these power big name coaches we are supposed to get? Chip Kelly? Every school is looking for those and they typically don’t work out, there are 2-3 hot coaches from weaker conference a season, how many openings?. Unless a school gets lucky there are not Dennis Erickson’s waiting like last time.
The admin is going to be taking a risk no matter who they hire.
We have to trust in the AD to pick the right guy. Because we aren’t poaching Nick Saban.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 26, 2017 22:12:40 GMT -8
People keep talking about a proven winning power conference coach. Even Nike couldn’t buy one for Oregon. Even LSU couldn’t get one. Unless you’re tOSU, USC(they couldn’t find one when they needed and had to gamble) Michigan etc it’s not happening. Most head coaches get fired. Why would we want a fired coach over someone that is full of potential. Even the ‘top’ schools promote a hot coord or a head coach from a lower conference. How well did Bret Bielema work out for Arkansas . Who are these power big name coaches we are supposed to get? Chip Kelly? Every school is looking for those and they typically don’t work out, there are 2-3 hot coaches from weaker conference a season, how many openings?. Unless a school gets lucky there are not Dennis Erickson’s waiting like last time. The admin is going to be taking a risk no matter who they hire. We have to trust in the AD to pick the right guy. Because we aren’t poaching Nick Saban. Well... to be honest I've not really read that much about "winning", but HC experience in D1/P5 vs never running that type of program. If you get that AND a winner you best hire him. The peeps on here that are a little "lost" are the "retread" crowd. As you say, if you coach long enough and aspire to be at the top you'll have been fired... or will be. It's the life of a coach. Bottom line some fans are hoping for it all... and, really why not? Since when is realism the focal point of fans in a coaching search.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 27, 2017 0:05:58 GMT -8
Well... to be honest I've not really read that much about "winning", but HC experience in D1/P5 vs never running that type of program. If you get that AND a winner you best hire him. That worked out really awesome in Dec. 2014. And... as I said then, and was in the extreme minority, GA was a mistake as the admin jumped without going thru the process. GA was a mistake by Wisky and OSU never did their due diligence.
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