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Post by touchdownbeavers on Feb 1, 2016 22:55:16 GMT -8
So you play a zone. Everyone thinks, "front" this guy near the post is a good idea. Then a shot goes up, Holy Hanna,I was fronting the guy who gets the rebound and now everyone thinks I was supposed to box him out? Hell. I couldn't find anyone to box out because I was playing a zone.
Should I front him and then circle around him and box him out?
You now have some sort of an idea why zones are not the preference of coaches.
Zone defenses might work against teams who fall back and do not go after offensive rebounds.
Myself? I would try to make every team take 5-8 seconds under token pressure to get the ball up half court. and then throw a box and 1 or triangle and 2 or maybe a dos and 3 at them to see what happens. Haven't quite figured out the quatro and 1 defense, but Dwayne Allen probably knows it.
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Post by beaverstever on Feb 1, 2016 23:14:17 GMT -8
Yep, and same issue with complaining about all the open 3s. We went zone against UA so their bigs didn't kill us, and hope they didn't get hot from deep. Well, they did get hot - there were some breakdowns, but many of them were just the weakness of zone D.
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Post by gnawitall on Feb 1, 2016 23:16:46 GMT -8
So you play a zone. Everyone thinks, "front" this guy near the post is a good idea. Then a shot goes up, Holy Hanna,I was fronting the guy who gets the rebound and now everyone thinks I was supposed to box him out? Hell. I couldn't find anyone to box out because I was playing a zone. Should I front him and then circle around him and box him out? You now have some sort of an idea why zones are not the preference of coaches. Zone defenses might work against teams who fall back and do not go after offensive rebounds. Myself? I would try to make every team take 5-8 seconds under token pressure to get the ball up half court. and then throw a box and 1 or triangle and 2 or maybe a dos and 3 at them to see what happens. Haven't quite figured out the quatro and 1 defense, but Dwayne Allen probably knows it. Then again, when you stand on offense against a zone the defense not only doesn't have to work at finding a man to block out but they don't use their legs and have more energy for offense. But I've said that before :-) |
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Post by touchdownbeavers on Feb 2, 2016 7:24:51 GMT -8
I'm not complaining about using a zone defense. A zone defense is supposed to be a "helping defense" against a quicker and taller team, and it has advantages and disadvantages. Mix them up a bit and confuse the other team if you can, but the disadvantages in rebounding will always exist.
One other thing I am seeing more and more often, is the rolling the ball up court on an inbounds before it is picked up.That really irks me. I mean IRKS me. I'm totally IRKED. The shot clock never starts until the ball is picked up. GPII does it all the time because defenses allow it, and now it seems every other team has been watching him and are starting to do it too. My irkism must have begun because of a Husky game I watched in the past.
Good old Ralph would have seen the advantages of the the now reduced shot clock.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 2, 2016 8:36:40 GMT -8
So you play a zone. Everyone thinks, "front" this guy near the post is a good idea. Then a shot goes up, Holy Hanna,I was fronting the guy who gets the rebound and now everyone thinks I was supposed to box him out? Hell. I couldn't find anyone to box out because I was playing a zone. Should I front him and then circle around him and box him out? You now have some sort of an idea why zones are not the preference of coaches. Zone defenses might work against teams who fall back and do not go after offensive rebounds. Myself? I would try to make every team take 5-8 seconds under token pressure to get the ball up half court. and then throw a box and 1 or triangle and 2 or maybe a dos and 3 at them to see what happens. Haven't quite figured out the quatro and 1 defense, but Dwayne Allen probably knows it. Are not Triangle/2 and box/1 zone defenses??? In fact harder to play when communication has been at a minimum. Good zones are m2m defenses, the same principles apply in each. Boxing out is a "want to skill"... in either D the offensive player is not going to stand there and let you box him out. With switching and hedging you rarely are boxing out the same guy on a regular basis. If you're a ball/rim watcher you're standing and not a good rebounder no matter what D you play. You find a body... whether in the key or on the perimeter... get a body on him and let his momentum help you out. Take him into the first row if you have to. Rebounding is all about heart and desire to to the dirty work. GPII is such a good offensive rebounder because he MOVES and is relentless/hard to block out. The more active team is the better rebounding team. We are simply not as active on either end of the court as we need to be. We are easy to guard because of poor player and ball movement and on D we simply do not finish possessions by getting physical/focused enough to man up and deny position. It's not the D it's the "want to" in your players... there are plenty of fine rebounding teams that play zone, they just have players who are active and want to. |
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Post by touchdownbeavers on Feb 2, 2016 9:10:03 GMT -8
I did not say zone defenses were a bad idea, and if you call a triangle and two a zone defense, what do you tell the "two?" Ever see a 3 on 2 fastbreak? What would you teach the kids, go immediately man to man? I respect your opinions because you have the background of coaching and thinking about the game and are thoughtful, but damn, I would have loved to have coached against you for a few years. Then again, you would probably have beaten my a--.
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Post by goline on Feb 2, 2016 11:29:46 GMT -8
The thing that got my goat this past week was the many times a shot would go up and as soon as it left the shooters hands backs were turned to the basket. I understand getting back on defense, but 1/2 the time that shot isn't going to hit. At least give yourself a chance for a rebound. Add on top of that no one but GP2 ever following their own shot, and you have a very frustrating habit developing for this team.
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Post by beaverstever on Feb 2, 2016 16:12:53 GMT -8
There's some middle ground here. Zones do not put you in an ideal position to box out compared to man defenses, that's just a simple reality. However, you can box out from a zone much better than this team does as well. I've really come to hate that our bigs thinking they need to try and block every shot that comes their way - everybody in our league can shoot a floater, and this is often costing us our biggest guy on the floor to be out of position for a defensive rebound, let alone the opposition's biggest guy without anybody (at least of similar size) boxing him out.
I'm will be very curious to see how the next two games play out, especially Colorado, who absolutely killed us in the paint at both ends. We have a deep, seasoned coaching staff, so I expect the adjustments will be noticeable.
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Post by beaverstever on Feb 2, 2016 16:16:11 GMT -8
I'm not complaining about using a zone defense. A zone defense is supposed to be a "helping defense" against a quicker and taller team, and it has advantages and disadvantages. Mix them up a bit and confuse the other team if you can, but the disadvantages in rebounding will always exist. One other thing I am seeing more and more often, is the rolling the ball up court on an inbounds before it is picked up.That really irks me. I mean IRKS me. I'm totally IRKED. The shot clock never starts until the ball is picked up. GPII does it all the time because defenses allow it, and now it seems every other team has been watching him and are starting to do it too. My irkism must have begun because of a Husky game I watched in the past. Good old Ralph would have seen the advantages of the the now reduced shot clock. It's not clear to me what is particularly irksome - that GP II tries to take advantage of this, that other teams take advantage of this, or that we allow other teams to do this? |
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