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Post by beavsaregood on Nov 18, 2017 22:53:45 GMT -8
A field goal made with time running out.
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Post by seastape on Nov 18, 2017 23:04:25 GMT -8
Good game, 'twas. Felt bad for the Utes; they let that one slip away...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2017 23:06:41 GMT -8
UW winning is ideal for the PAC. Now if UW wins the Apple Cup they might get a New Years Bowl, if WSU wins the Apple Cup Stanford might get a New Years Bowl. Had Utah won this game the only New Years Bowl the PAC would have any chance at would have been for the champ. Now the conference has an outside shot at 2 bids which is good for the whole conference.
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Post by beaverbeliever on Nov 18, 2017 23:25:31 GMT -8
Wittingham handed it to UW. UW was tackled in bounds with :22 left on their own 30, with no timeouts. So what does he do? He calls timeout himself! Two plays later, UW is in field goal range.
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Post by beavsaregood on Nov 19, 2017 1:06:13 GMT -8
who is that qb for utah? he looked good in this particular game.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Nov 19, 2017 8:01:28 GMT -8
UW winning is ideal for the PAC. Now if UW wins the Apple Cup they might get a New Years Bowl, if WSU wins the Apple Cup Stanford might get a New Years Bowl. Had Utah won this game the only New Years Bowl the PAC would have any chance at would have been for the champ. Now the conference has an outside shot at 2 bids which is good for the whole conference. Not sure where you are going with this. And ftr, the big non championship bowl games this year are on December 30th, except the Peach Bowl, which is in ATL and surely not taking a west coast team.
WSU beat both Washington and Stanford. Stanford also has the tie-breaker over Washington no?
So are you saying Washington would get a new-years day bowl because they are 10-2, but not the winner of the Pac 12 or the Pac 12 North?
Hmmm, can't see that happening. That would mean 2 Pac 12 teams out of 8 teams going to 4 bowls, and certainly the Pac 12 champ will go to the only one in Pac 12 territory.
Other 2-loss teams Washington is sitting behind right now include Penn State, Notre Dame, TCU, OK State, and......Washington State. Then you have team like UCF who is undefeated and will likely automatically qualify. Washington ain't leapfrogging Penn State or Ohio State or Notre Dame or any SEC team or Clemson if it loses to Miami.
Seems in your scenario the team you should be rooting for is Washington State. They have a vastly better track record with wins over USC, Stanford, Boise State, and hopefully Washington. I'm not positive but I'm not sure Washington has a single win over a P5 team with a winning record this year. (Edit check that, Oregon now is their big win to date)
If things shake out wildly next week, WSU has the best chance of a non Pac 12 championship team finishing the season in the top 10 in the playoff rankings.
Go Cougs!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 15:36:35 GMT -8
UW winning is ideal for the PAC. Now if UW wins the Apple Cup they might get a New Years Bowl, if WSU wins the Apple Cup Stanford might get a New Years Bowl. Had Utah won this game the only New Years Bowl the PAC would have any chance at would have been for the champ. Now the conference has an outside shot at 2 bids which is good for the whole conference. Not sure where you are going with this. And ftr, the big non championship bowl games this year are on December 30th, except the Peach Bowl, which is in ATL and surely not taking a west coast team.
WSU beat both Washington and Stanford. Stanford also has the tie-breaker over Washington no?
So are you saying Washington would get a new-years day bowl because they are 10-2, but not the winner of the Pac 12 or the Pac 12 North?
Hmmm, can't see that happening. That would mean 2 Pac 12 teams out of 8 teams going to 4 bowls, and certainly the Pac 12 champ will go to the only one in Pac 12 territory.
Other 2-loss teams Washington is sitting behind right now include Penn State, Notre Dame, TCU, OK State, and......Washington State. Then you have team like UCF who is undefeated and will likely automatically qualify. Washington ain't leapfrogging Penn State or Ohio State or Notre Dame or any SEC team or Clemson if it loses to Miami.
Seems in your scenario the team you should be rooting for is Washington State. They have a vastly better track record with wins over USC, Stanford, Boise State, and hopefully Washington. I'm not positive but I'm not sure Washington has a single win over a P5 team with a winning record this year. (Edit check that, Oregon now is their big win to date)
If things shake out wildly next week, WSU has the best chance of a non Pac 12 championship team finishing the season in the top 10 in the playoff rankings.
Go Cougs!
I understand when the Bowls are played, they are called the New Years Six regardless of when they are played so that is where the 'New Years' Bowl comment came from. It increases the possibility of getting a 2nd bid. Didn't say it guaranteed one. If WSU beats UW they will be eliminated (or eliminate USC) from consideration when one or the other gets a 3rd loss. No PAC team with 3 losses will be in a New Years Bowl. So yes, a 10-2 UW team is more likely to get consideration for a New Years Six Bowl than a 10-3 WSU or 10-3 USC. The best chance of getting 2 bids is for 1 to go to the PAC champ and the 2nd to go a 10-2 UW or Stanford beating Notre Dame while WSU wins the Apple Cup. I see no scenario where WSU gets an at large bid. Tiebreakers do not matter. The committee picks the teams. Its the same logic that led to USC getting the Rose Bowl bid over Colorado last season although UW would actually have 1 less loss than WSU making it even more likely. It would take some losses from other teams to get them there but they are the best chance. One such scenario: If UW beats WSU and Wisconsin wins the Big Ten (giving OSU a 3rd loss), Alabama beat Auburn (giving Auburn a 3rd loss), and Oklahoma beats TCU in the Big 12 championship (giving TCU a 3rd loss) it is very possible that a 10-2 UW ends up in the top 12 and gets an at large bid. I see no scenario where a 3 loss WSU or 3 loss Stanford team gets into a New Years Six Bowl. WSU's only path is winning the PAC title. So I disagree with your assessment. Its a 2 loss UW or a 2 loss Stanford. WSU has to win the conference to have any shot. |
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Post by easyheat on Nov 19, 2017 15:43:10 GMT -8
If WSU beats the Dawgs in the Apple Cup they win the P-12 North and will play USC in Santa Clara for the PAC-12 title.
If the UW beats Wazoo, Stanford wins the P-12 North and plays USC at Levi Stadium.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 15:49:26 GMT -8
If WSU beats the Dawgs in the Apple Cup they win the P-12 North and will play USC in Santa Clara for the PAC-12 title. If the UW beats Wazoo, Stanford wins the P-12 North and plays USC at Levi Stadium. I am well aware of this. I am talking about a 2nd bid which is an at large bid. The committee will rank the loser of the PAC title game below a 2 loss UW. The PAC has 2 paths to a 2nd bid. UW winning the Apple Cup to finish 10-2-UW would be the 2nd highest ranked PAC team in final rankings (UW beating UU kept this possibility in play) WSU winning the Apple Cup while Stanford beats Notre Dame to finish 10-2-Stanford would be the 2nd highest ranked PAC team in final rankings. Neither guarantees they get ranked high enough to get an at large bid but those are the only 2 paths for the PAC to get a 2nd bid. WSU's only path is to win the conference. They won't get there any other way. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Nov 19, 2017 19:13:11 GMT -8
Not sure where you are going with this. And ftr, the big non championship bowl games this year are on December 30th, except the Peach Bowl, which is in ATL and surely not taking a west coast team.
WSU beat both Washington and Stanford. Stanford also has the tie-breaker over Washington no?
So are you saying Washington would get a new-years day bowl because they are 10-2, but not the winner of the Pac 12 or the Pac 12 North?
Hmmm, can't see that happening. That would mean 2 Pac 12 teams out of 8 teams going to 4 bowls, and certainly the Pac 12 champ will go to the only one in Pac 12 territory.
Other 2-loss teams Washington is sitting behind right now include Penn State, Notre Dame, TCU, OK State, and......Washington State. Then you have team like UCF who is undefeated and will likely automatically qualify. Washington ain't leapfrogging Penn State or Ohio State or Notre Dame or any SEC team or Clemson if it loses to Miami.
Seems in your scenario the team you should be rooting for is Washington State. They have a vastly better track record with wins over USC, Stanford, Boise State, and hopefully Washington. I'm not positive but I'm not sure Washington has a single win over a P5 team with a winning record this year. (Edit check that, Oregon now is their big win to date)
If things shake out wildly next week, WSU has the best chance of a non Pac 12 championship team finishing the season in the top 10 in the playoff rankings.
Go Cougs!
I understand when the Bowls are played, they are called the New Years Six regardless of when they are played so that is where the 'New Years' Bowl comment came from. It increases the possibility of getting a 2nd bid. Didn't say it guaranteed one. If WSU beats UW they will be eliminated (or eliminate USC) from consideration when one or the other gets a 3rd loss. No PAC team with 3 losses will be in a New Years Bowl. So yes, a 10-2 UW team is more likely to get consideration for a New Years Six Bowl than a 10-3 WSU or 10-3 USC. The best chance of getting 2 bids is for 1 to go to the PAC champ and the 2nd to go a 10-2 UW or Stanford beating Notre Dame while WSU wins the Apple Cup. I see no scenario where WSU gets an at large bid. Tiebreakers do not matter. The committee picks the teams. Its the same logic that led to USC getting the Rose Bowl bid over Colorado last season although UW would actually have 1 less loss than WSU making it even more likely. It would take some losses from other teams to get them there but they are the best chance. One such scenario: If UW beats WSU and Wisconsin wins the Big Ten (giving OSU a 3rd loss), Alabama beat Auburn (giving Auburn a 3rd loss), and Oklahoma beats TCU in the Big 12 championship (giving TCU a 3rd loss) it is very possible that a 10-2 UW ends up in the top 12 and gets an at large bid. I see no scenario where a 3 loss WSU or 3 loss Stanford team gets into a New Years Six Bowl. WSU's only path is winning the PAC title. So I disagree with your assessment. Its a 2 loss UW or a 2 loss Stanford. WSU has to win the conference to have any shot. You mean, if, if, if, if, and if. I mean, right now they are ranked behind 2 3 loss teams....in the selection committee's own poll!
Washington isn't going to a selection committee bowl, even at 10-2, no matter what happens. The #2 criteria is quality of opponents/strength of schedule. Their schedule is horrendous. Auburn would have losses to 3 top 25 teams and has beat a top 10 and top 20 team. They won't get by them alone. A 3-loss Ohio State that loses in the championship game to an undefeated Wisky will also stay ranked above Washington IMO. Same with TCU. I mean, if Washington right now is ranked behind Michigan State and Mississippi State, they aren't leapfrogging better teams that lose to top ranked opponents.
There is nothing on Washington's resume that warrants them playing with the big boys. Beating WSU sure isn't their golden ticket. They are going to need a calamity of things to happen to get there. Like Georgia losing to Georgia Tech, Notre Dame losing to Stanford. Penn State losing to Maryland. Then all those scenarios you dreamed up. Then maybe.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 19:19:47 GMT -8
I understand when the Bowls are played, they are called the New Years Six regardless of when they are played so that is where the 'New Years' Bowl comment came from. It increases the possibility of getting a 2nd bid. Didn't say it guaranteed one. If WSU beats UW they will be eliminated (or eliminate USC) from consideration when one or the other gets a 3rd loss. No PAC team with 3 losses will be in a New Years Bowl. So yes, a 10-2 UW team is more likely to get consideration for a New Years Six Bowl than a 10-3 WSU or 10-3 USC. The best chance of getting 2 bids is for 1 to go to the PAC champ and the 2nd to go a 10-2 UW or Stanford beating Notre Dame while WSU wins the Apple Cup. I see no scenario where WSU gets an at large bid. Tiebreakers do not matter. The committee picks the teams. Its the same logic that led to USC getting the Rose Bowl bid over Colorado last season although UW would actually have 1 less loss than WSU making it even more likely. It would take some losses from other teams to get them there but they are the best chance. One such scenario: If UW beats WSU and Wisconsin wins the Big Ten (giving OSU a 3rd loss), Alabama beat Auburn (giving Auburn a 3rd loss), and Oklahoma beats TCU in the Big 12 championship (giving TCU a 3rd loss) it is very possible that a 10-2 UW ends up in the top 12 and gets an at large bid. I see no scenario where a 3 loss WSU or 3 loss Stanford team gets into a New Years Six Bowl. WSU's only path is winning the PAC title. So I disagree with your assessment. Its a 2 loss UW or a 2 loss Stanford. WSU has to win the conference to have any shot. You mean, if, if, if, if, and if. I mean, right now they are ranked behind 2 3 loss teams....in the selection committee's own poll!
Washington isn't going to a selection committee bowl, even at 10-2, no matter what happens. The #2 criteria is quality of opponents/strength of schedule. Their schedule is horrendous. Auburn would have losses to 3 top 25 teams and has beat a top 10 and top 20 team. They won't get by them alone. A 3-loss Ohio State that loses in the championship game to an undefeated Wisky will also stay ranked above Washington IMO. Same with TCU. I mean, if Washington right now is ranked behind Michigan State and Mississippi State, they aren't leapfrogging better teams that lose to top ranked opponents.
There is nothing on Washington's resume that warrants them playing with the big boys. Beating WSU sure isn't their golden ticket. They are going to need a calamity of things to happen to get there. Like Georgia losing to Georgia Tech, Notre Dame losing to Stanford. Penn State losing to Maryland. Then all those scenarios you dreamed up. Then maybe.
You do realize all I ever claimed was they had an "outside shot" right? WSU has no shot as an at large, UW has an "outside shot" That is all I ever claimed. You have done NOTHING to refute that claim. They needed to beat utah to maintain that "outside shot" BTW, I think you overestimate the idea of the committee following guidelines, name recognition has far more value than any criteria they may claim to use. Its why Ohio State is still considered alive with 2 losses. And its why USC got the Rose Bowl bid over Colorado last year. UW has more name recognition than TCU so they absolutely will jump TCU (as an example). If they win the Apple Cup they will leap frog both Michigan State, Washington State, and Mississippi State minimum. They have 2 weeks to move up 6 spots, that is hardly unheard of. Either way, unlikely or likely UW is the only school with any chance to make such a move and had they lost to Utah that would have been gone. Again, "outside shot" |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Nov 20, 2017 6:10:55 GMT -8
You are correct, that is all you claimed. And you are also probably right money wise, would be best for the Pac 12. So I apologize for my prior rants and will reframe my clearly biased opinion.
I don't think Washington deserves to play in the "new year's day" bowls, I think if they go the Pac 12 will be 0-2 in those games. Just not a great year in the Pac 12. But who am I to complain about a process that generates revenue for Oregon State.
And more to my personal bias, I'd also like to see WSU win the Pac 12. If they do, and right now they have beat the 3 top Pac 12 teams, it is the most clear example to the naysayers that you can not only win at Oregon State, you can win a Pac 12 championship at Oregon State.
The last thing I'll add, given the post made about Kerry Eggers, is Beau Baldwin isn't ever going to win a Pac 12 championship at Oregon State 
Anyway, sorry for the ragging, you at least deserve credit for reading the tea-leaves of the polls to see how the Pac 12 could get 2 teams in.
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 20, 2017 9:29:11 GMT -8
You are correct, that is all you claimed. And you are also probably right money wise, would be best for the Pac 12. So I apologize for my prior rants and will reframe my clearly biased opinion.
I don't think Washington deserves to play in the "new year's day" bowls, I think if they go the Pac 12 will be 0-2 in those games. Just not a great year in the Pac 12. But who am I to complain about a process that generates revenue for Oregon State.
And more to my personal bias, I'd also like to see WSU win the Pac 12. If they do, and right now they have beat the 3 top Pac 12 teams, it is the most clear example to the naysayers that you can not only win at Oregon State, you can win a Pac 12 championship at Oregon State.
The last thing I'll add, given the post made about Kerry Eggers, is Beau Baldwin isn't ever going to win a Pac 12 championship at Oregon State
Anyway, sorry for the ragging, you at least deserve credit for reading the tea-leaves of the polls to see how the Pac 12 could get 2 teams in.
You're really going out on a limb there, considering that we have only shared 1 conference title in the past 53 years......... |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Nov 20, 2017 9:31:49 GMT -8
You are correct, that is all you claimed. And you are also probably right money wise, would be best for the Pac 12. So I apologize for my prior rants and will reframe my clearly biased opinion.
I don't think Washington deserves to play in the "new year's day" bowls, I think if they go the Pac 12 will be 0-2 in those games. Just not a great year in the Pac 12. But who am I to complain about a process that generates revenue for Oregon State.
And more to my personal bias, I'd also like to see WSU win the Pac 12. If they do, and right now they have beat the 3 top Pac 12 teams, it is the most clear example to the naysayers that you can not only win at Oregon State, you can win a Pac 12 championship at Oregon State.
The last thing I'll add, given the post made about Kerry Eggers, is Beau Baldwin isn't ever going to win a Pac 12 championship at Oregon State
Anyway, sorry for the ragging, you at least deserve credit for reading the tea-leaves of the polls to see how the Pac 12 could get 2 teams in.
You're really going out on a limb there, considering that we have only shared 1 conference title in the past 53 years......... LOL...I didn't think about that. how about Beau Baldwin is never going to win the Pac 12 North. I'll go with that, and that I think should be a realistic expectation/goal for the next head coach. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 20, 2017 12:55:07 GMT -8
You mean, if, if, if, if, and if. I mean, right now they are ranked behind 2 3 loss teams....in the selection committee's own poll!
Washington isn't going to a selection committee bowl, even at 10-2, no matter what happens. The #2 criteria is quality of opponents/strength of schedule. Their schedule is horrendous. Auburn would have losses to 3 top 25 teams and has beat a top 10 and top 20 team. They won't get by them alone. A 3-loss Ohio State that loses in the championship game to an undefeated Wisky will also stay ranked above Washington IMO. Same with TCU. I mean, if Washington right now is ranked behind Michigan State and Mississippi State, they aren't leapfrogging better teams that lose to top ranked opponents.
There is nothing on Washington's resume that warrants them playing with the big boys. Beating WSU sure isn't their golden ticket. They are going to need a calamity of things to happen to get there. Like Georgia losing to Georgia Tech, Notre Dame losing to Stanford. Penn State losing to Maryland. Then all those scenarios you dreamed up. Then maybe. You do realize all I ever claimed was they had an "outside shot" right? WSU has no shot as an at large, UW has an "outside shot" That is all I ever claimed. You have done NOTHING to refute that claim. They needed to beat utah to maintain that "outside shot" BTW, I think you overestimate the idea of the committee following guidelines, name recognition has far more value than any criteria they may claim to use. Its why Ohio State is still considered alive with 2 losses. And its why USC got the Rose Bowl bid over Colorado last year. UW has more name recognition than TCU so they absolutely will jump TCU (as an example). If they win the Apple Cup they will leap frog both Michigan State, Washington State, and Mississippi State minimum. They have 2 weeks to move up 6 spots, that is hardly unheard of. Either way, unlikely or likely UW is the only school with any chance to make such a move and had they lost to Utah that would have been gone. Again, "outside shot" Props to youngorst for thinking through this. The Big Six Bowls are a big deal. Each conference that gets a team in the playoff earns the conference $6 million and each conference that gets a team in a different Big Six Bowl earns the conference $4 million. (The Rose, Orange, and Sugar are different, but the Rose and Sugar are playoff bowls this year.) That means that Oregon State basically earns $500,000.00 for a Pac-12 team making the playoff and $333,333.33 for a Pac-12 team making a different Big Six Bowl game. That is no small amount of money, especially this year, as the conference can expect a lower paycheck, because the Rose is a playoff bowl. (The Rose pays the Pac-12 $40 million in years it does not host a playoff game.) First, what probably happens? Clemson beats South Carolina, Miami beat Pittsburgh, and Clemson beats Miami to go 12-1. Miami finishes 11-1. Virginia Tech probably finishes 9-3 with a win over Virginia. All other ACC teams finish with at least four losses. Ohio State beats Michigan, Wisconsin beats Minnesota, and Ohio State beats Wisconsin to go 11-2. Wisconsin finishes 12-1. Penn State probably finishes 10-2 with a win over Maryland. Northwestern probably finishes 9-3 with a win over Illinois. Michigan State probably finishes 9-3 with a win over Rutgers. All other Big Ten teams finish with four or more losses. Everything else is messier. Alabama beats Auburn and Georgia beats Georgia Tech. Alabama has to travel to Atlanta to play Georgia, a 90 minute drive from Athens. Alabama is better than Georgia, but the Bulldogs have been a tough out in Atlanta. Georgia famously upset LSU in 2005. 2012 Alabama only managed to beat Georgia 32-28 in Atlanta in 2012 en route to a national championship. Alabama is 13-0 with a win, 12-1 with a loss. Georgia finishes 12-1 with a win and 11-2 with a loss. Auburn sits at 9-3. Mississippi State and LSU are also likely 9-3 but are probably lower on the totem poll than Auburn. Oklahoma and TCU each probably win next weekend, but, if that happens, Oklahoma has to travel to Arlington in what will basically a home game for the Horned Frogs, and TCU will have an extra day of rest after the Baylor game. Oklahoma is better than TCU, but the Horned Frogs will have a lot going for them. Oklahoma would be 12-1 with a win, 11-2 with a loss. TCU would be 11-2 with a win, 10-3 with a loss. The only other team in the Big 12 who would have fewer than four losses is Oklahoma State, who will likely beat Kansas to go 9-3. Central Florida is the best Group of Five team at 10-0. Central Florida welcomes 9-1 South Florida to Orlando this weekend with a ticket to the American Athletic Conference Championship on the line. If Central Florida wins, they would host Memphis in the American Athletic Conference Championship Game. If Memphis and South Florida win, Memphis would host South Florida in Memphis. If South Florida wins and East Carolina upsets Memphis, South Florida would host. Central Florida likely wins finish 12-0. Memphis will probably finish 10-2. South Florida will probably finish 9-2. Every other team in the American Athletic Conference will probably finish with at least four losses. The only other team with Big Six Bowl aspirations is Notre Dame. The Irish finish 10-2 with a win and 9-3 with a loss. I personally think that Stanford beats Notre Dame. I personally think that Washington wins to finish 10-2. Stanford goes to the Pac-12 Championship Game, which is basically a home game, against USC, who officially has a bye against Stanford. A USC win puts the Trojans at 11-2, a loss 10-3. A Stanford win puts the Cardinal at 10-3, a loss 9-4. It is possible for a Pac-12 team to make the playoff, but it would probably take at least one true upset. Of more note, if Washington wins, they go 10-2. Clemson, Miami, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn State, Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma, Central Florida, and the Pac-12 champion probably finish with better records, but that is still 11th. Even if Notre Dame beats Stanford or TCU wins out, that is still 12th. The Big Six will invite exactly 12 teams. Washington at 12th likely gets an at large bid. Oregon State makes several hundred thousand dollars more. There are a lot of variables at this point, but I still think a 10-2 Pac-12 team probably gets a nod. A 10-3 Pac-12 team also might get a bid. |
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