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Post by gart79 on Nov 15, 2017 11:50:13 GMT -8
If I remember correctly, Eggers stated that one of the important things that Barnes was looking for was a "splashy" hire. Simply put, that translates to getting more butts in seats.
How would you rank these candidates on that criteria: (random order by me below)
Tedford
Niner
June Jones
B. Baldwin
C. Strong
Les Miles (although I do not think he is truly a viable candidate)
C. Hall
(there are others but wanted to keep this list short)
How would you rank the following criteria in importance: (My ranking below)
1. HC experience (extra credit for FBS and P5 experience)
2. Ability to assemble a strong coaching and support staff
3. Football x's and o's accumen
4. Recruiting (him not his staff which is included in #2 above)
5. Strong direction/plan and message. (maybe this should be higher)
6. Intangibles (like maybe he has a bunch of 5* sons in high school - it is working in men's BB)
Timing- Crap we are running out of time. I always thought we would have someone named by Thanksgiving.
1. Domino's for HC will begin to fall shortly. We do not want it to appear that our potential candidates are going elsewhere and we are flailing in finding our new HC.
2. Once some of the HC's are hired elsewhere, the supporting casts will also begin to dry up.
3. If we are first to hire a HC, we get 1st mover advantage which includes more press coverage and the associated prestige.
4. Recruiting, recruiting, recruiting. Every day we can hit the trail before the early signing period is highly important.
5. Related to #4 is assembling a support staff to assist with number 4. The new HC can not call all the commits and all the potential recruits in the pipeline by himself.
6. All the other related admin stuff related to all of the above needs to be sorted out. The fewer days to do these in means things will fall through the cracks.
Just to provoke a little thought-- imagine if we do not name a HC until after Christmas. YIKES. The announcement gets lost in the Bowl game hype. Assistants that are in bowl games are not generally not going to bail at the last minute from their current schools. We miss all the open recruiting periods in December. Some of our Commits get nervous and bail. It would turn into a real CF errr I mean mess.
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Post by beavadelic on Nov 15, 2017 12:00:53 GMT -8
If I remember correctly, Eggers stated that one of the important things that Barnes was looking for was a "splashy" hire. Simply put, that translates to getting more butts in seats. How would you rank these candidates on that criteria: (random order by me below) Tedford Niner June Jones B. Baldwin C. Strong Les Miles (although I do not think he is truly a viable candidate) C. Hall (there are others but wanted to keep this list short) How would you rank the following criteria in importance: (My ranking below) 1. HC experience (extra credit for FBS and P5 experience) 2. Ability to assemble a strong coaching and support staff 3. Football x's and o's accumen 4. Recruiting (him not his staff which is included in #2 above) 5. Strong direction/plan and message. (maybe this should be higher) 6. Intangibles (like maybe he has a bunch of 5* sons in high school - it is working in men's BB) Timing- Crap we are running out of time. I always thought we would have someone named by Thanksgiving. 1. Domino's for HC will begin to fall shortly. We do not want it to appear that our potential candidates are going elsewhere and we are flailing in finding our new HC. 2. Once some of the HC's are hired elsewhere, the supporting casts will also begin to dry up. 3. If we are first to hire a HC, we get 1st mover advantage which includes more press coverage and the associated prestige. 4. Recruiting, recruiting, recruiting. Every day we can hit the trail before the early signing period is highly important. 5. Related to #4 is assembling a support staff to assist with number 4. The new HC can not call all the commits and all the potential recruits in the pipeline by himself. 6. All the other related admin stuff related to all of the above needs to be sorted out. The fewer days to do these in means things will fall through the cracks. Just to provoke a little thought-- imagine if we do not name a HC until after Christmas. YIKES. The announcement gets lost in the Bowl game hype. Assistants that are in bowl games are not generally not going to bail at the last minute from their current schools. We miss all the open recruiting periods in December. Some of our Commits get nervous and bail. It would turn into a real CF errr I mean mess. My list - 1st choice to last: 1. Miles 2. Tedford 3. Strong 4. Baldwin 5. Jones (too old) 6. Hall (1/2 season college HC experience) 7. Smith (beloved Beav, but coaching...meh) |
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 15, 2017 12:19:14 GMT -8
1. Tedford
2. Miles
3. unknown "surprise candidate similar to the above...
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 15, 2017 12:26:55 GMT -8
1. Tedford 2. Miles 3. unknown "surprise candidate similar to the above... 1. Tedford or Miles 2. other existing P5 head coach (probably a very short list, if any... ) 3. other existing hot G5 head coach (The Norvells, Calhouns, etc of the world) 4. Hot OC/DC of P5 team (Baldwin being top of this tier) 5. FCS head coach |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 12:33:31 GMT -8
If they are going for "butts in the seats" the only hire I could see actually doing that would be Miles which ain't happening.
Tedford may be a great hire but fans aren't gonna be buying season tickets because Tedford took the job.
Miles is the only "splashy" hire that has even been rumored.
The rumors that Wilcox is interested intrigue me. He'd probably be my top choice if he is truly interested.
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 15, 2017 12:48:08 GMT -8
Big Time Hire: Miles
Safe Hire: Tedford
Gamble Hire: Baldwin
With the first two, you pretty much know what you're getting. With Baldwin, you're swinging for the fences in the future. I like him, and think he could do well. But you never know.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 15, 2017 12:49:41 GMT -8
If they are going for "butts in the seats" the only hire I could see actually doing that would be Miles which ain't happening. Tedford may be a great hire but fans aren't gonna be buying season tickets because Tedford took the job. Miles is the only "splashy" hire that has even been rumored. The rumors that Wilcox is interested intrigue me. He'd probably be my top choice if he is truly interested. Wilcox is trash. I do not want him in Corvallis. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 12:50:28 GMT -8
If they are going for "butts in the seats" the only hire I could see actually doing that would be Miles which ain't happening. Tedford may be a great hire but fans aren't gonna be buying season tickets because Tedford took the job. Miles is the only "splashy" hire that has even been rumored. The rumors that Wilcox is interested intrigue me. He'd probably be my top choice if he is truly interested. Whoever said Wilcox is interested? Seems like that rumor could only have come from the ultimate source of conjimmery... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 12:54:09 GMT -8
If they are going for "butts in the seats" the only hire I could see actually doing that would be Miles which ain't happening. Tedford may be a great hire but fans aren't gonna be buying season tickets because Tedford took the job. Miles is the only "splashy" hire that has even been rumored. The rumors that Wilcox is interested intrigue me. He'd probably be my top choice if he is truly interested. Whoever said Wilcox is interested? Seems like that rumor could only have come from the ultimate source of conjimmery... I've heard it a few places. Its a rumor I've heard a few different times from a few different sources, nothing more and I am making no claims of it being true. Felt it fit the context of this thread about a "splashy" hire though. Stealing a young coach from a conference rival after 1 season would be "splashy" |
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Post by nabeav on Nov 15, 2017 12:57:30 GMT -8
I'm curious - for those of you that don't have season tickets - what coach (doesn't have to be one rumored to be a candidate) would spur you to buy tickets for next season upon hearing of the hire?
My guess is none of the candidates (Miles included) move the needle that much.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 15, 2017 13:19:06 GMT -8
I'm afraid it would take a hire like Jon Gruden to sell extra tickets at this point. Even then we'd have people questioning his recruiting ties.
I think Miles won't happen but he'd be my top choice. Tedford would be my next choice, I still think he stays put. Jones or Baldwin would be my next pick, in no particular order and for different reasons. I think Baldwin could build a team here in 3-4 years and keep it gping for a long time. I think Jones would have us at 7 regular season wins by the 2019 season, but I only see him doing this for 6 years or so (which is ok by me).
After that comes a list of coaches that probably haven't been mentioned yet. Then comes Jonathan and Coach Hall.
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Post by obf on Nov 15, 2017 13:48:14 GMT -8
X.) Miles (now that more jobs are coming open, won't happen, so he really isn't choice #1) 1.) Tedford. Not sure I would call him "safe" per say, safe connotes a feeling of reliable but mediocre. I think Tedford could take us back to the top of the Pac-12, playing for Rose bowls and such, and I think he could turn it around the quickest. Still has enough Name cache to move the needle a bit and get some recruits off the fence and into Corvallis. The real question is if he has any interest here, we know he did back when CGA was hired, but other than that innuendo, and guesses that he wants back into P5 football, I haven't seen much hard evidence that he is interested at all 2.) Baldwin. Maybe I have drank the koolaid and he will be a flop, but I see a successful head coach in the making. Yeah it was just EWU but he has plenty of HC experience, and presumably knows what he wants in his assistants, what offense he wants to run, etc. 3.) A whole host of other G5 head coaches we have bandied about and would probably be good hires, but a lot of folks will be vying for their attention. This includes Norvel, Frost, etc. etc. 4.) Other P5 coordinators, Grinch I guess being the top of this list. 9.) Hall 15.) Niner, I feel bad being negative on Smith, but nothing in his personality or performance as an OC says HC to me, but who knows, maybe he will be the next Urban Meyer My Heart hopes we get Tedford My Mind says we probably settle for Baldwin My Gut says I better start researching some more P5 coordinators...   |
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Post by seastape on Nov 15, 2017 15:32:40 GMT -8
I think OSU needs to get the players back on solid ground with fundamentals and good assignment football...You know--the stuff that our last non-interim coach didn't teach. Assuming there is actually at least an outside chance of getting any of these guys, my order would be:
1) Miles. I suspect showing a recruit an NC ring carries a bit of weight. I would expect him to have fundamentally sound players.
2) Tedford. A quick turnaround with coached up players and every one carrying out their assignments.
3) Baldwin. I think a guy who has never HC'd at least G5 football is a huge gamble...but he might pay off.
Those are only the three from your list that I really hope for or at least would be good with. Before I would go on to the rest of the guys on your list, I would add a bunch of winning HC's from G5 programs. To complete your list:
4) June Jones. I used to be higher on the guy, but then I got to thinkin'---he's never coached P5 football. That's strange to me, at his age, for someone wanting this gig. He didn't do anything in the NFL. Not quite as exciting as custard. We could do worse, but I hope we could do better.
Everyone below this line I would be disappointed if they were hired: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
5) Strong. He blew Texas. He looks good at his current school but I think he's eating Willie Taggart's leftovers.
6) Smith. Nothing he has done along the way has impressed me except the fact that Peterson has kept him on. Otherwise...he's another face in the crowd. Loved him as a player at OSU. That has zero effect on hiring him as coach.
7) Hall. Great motivator. You need way more than that.
Around line 6, I would add all the P5 coordinators who have never coached D1 beyond a year or two. |
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Post by hawksea on Nov 15, 2017 15:38:42 GMT -8
I'm curious - for those of you that don't have season tickets - what coach (doesn't have to be one rumored to be a candidate) would spur you to buy tickets for next season upon hearing of the hire? My guess is none of the candidates (Miles included) move the needle that much. I'm a season ticket holder, and it depends on who is hired for me to know if I will renew or not. If we get someone like Miles, Tedford, Baldwin, or some other coach that could be good, I will renew. If we keep Hall or get some other coach I'm not impressed with, then I will not renew and miss games for the first time since I was 9. As a recent grad with student loans, it's just not worth paying the donation every year to go watch a team that isn't competitive at all, and where I don't enjoy going to the games. I was at that point with Andersen, and while I've enjoyed going since Hall took over, he isn't the right person to take over now. |
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Post by orangeattack on Nov 15, 2017 16:06:26 GMT -8
I'm curious - for those of you that don't have season tickets - what coach (doesn't have to be one rumored to be a candidate) would spur you to buy tickets for next season upon hearing of the hire? My guess is none of the candidates (Miles included) move the needle that much. Miles would move the needle, the same way Dennis Erickson did. |
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