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Post by gobeavs92 on Nov 14, 2017 16:29:43 GMT -8
I know this may sound weird but I feel it's important that we get someone who can lure the more talented Oregon kids to Corvallis as well as the other states of course but we have lost on on some big names even over the past few seasons.
I was thinking of this the other day and Oregon HS players have been very good to Oregon State over the last 2 plus decades (just using those for example). One of the coaches that got some of the highest rated and most talented Oregon HS players was DE. But look at some of the names that are on the list. (I will miss a few, apologies):
Derek Anderson
Mike Hass
Bill Swancutt
Joe Newton
Mitch Meeuwsen
James Allen
Jordan Poyer
Roy Schuening
Slade Norris
Mike Remmers
Gabe Miller
Ryan Nall
Devin Chappell
Blake Brandel
Not included yet: (we'll see what they turn out to be but they look promising)
David Morris
Trevon Bradford
We missed out on a lot of talent in the 2017 class in our own backyard and guys at key positions too. DTs, OL, a CB. All of these guys are in our backyard and one was a very highly rated DT! Even having some preferred walk-ons come aboard can be a good thing down the road (Hass, J Smith-Cali).
Gotta win the in State recruiting war.
Go Beavs!
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 14, 2017 16:38:42 GMT -8
In addition to Hass, Remmers and Chappell were also walk-ons, I believe
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Post by gobeavs92 on Nov 14, 2017 17:24:02 GMT -8
In addition to Hass, Remmers and Chappell were also walk-ons, I believe Correct! Hass and Remmers were from Jesuit. Chappell walked on from Western Oregon I believe! I also believe that Slade walked on from Jesuit. He was an incredible talent. I couldn't understand why he nor Hass had any FBS offers out of HS. Go Beavs! |
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 14, 2017 18:52:17 GMT -8
Win... if OSU catches fire and wins 7+ games the next three years the in state kids will come.
There is no "war" to win if the team isn't successful. You may draw a key kid or two, but to be the draw OSU has to get Ws.
A new HC will play a role and so will his staff as recruiters, but Ws open doors and keep OSU on that final list.
So... it's simple, hire the guy who gets us Ws now! To me it's Tedford if interested. He's done the turnaround thing. He has staffing connections that run deep that also may be able to steal key assistants away from Pac12 foes. He's a great developer of offensive talent. He knows the Pac12. He's recruited across the country. He's young enough to finish his career here with 5-6+ years.
Not sure who gets hired, but if he's interested... AGAIN... and isn't hired we need to overhaul the admin. They royally effed up the last hire, they can't afford to mess up this one.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 14, 2017 19:42:21 GMT -8
Scott Barnes did not "eff up" the last hire, since he was at Utah State at the time. Except for President Ray, who only signs off on the hire, the administrators who hired GA - which was a very popular choice that time, a P5 head coach with proven FBS success at two schools, just as you advocate - no longer work at the university. So why would anyone need to be replaced if Jeff Tedford isn't hired, especially if there have been no signs Tedford is even interested in the job?
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 14, 2017 21:01:52 GMT -8
Scott Barnes did not "eff up" the last hire, since he was at Utah State at the time. Except for President Ray, who only signs off on the hire, the administrators who hired GA - which was a very popular choice that time, a P5 head coach with proven FBS success at two schools, just as you advocate - no longer work at the university. So why would anyone need to be replaced if Jeff Tedford isn't hired, especially if there have been no signs Tedford is even interested in the job? Dude... you're clueless if you think Ray only "signs off". The man is astute and highly involved. You lose all cred with just that statement. As fast as Barnes... if he hires any of the three mentioned over Tedford (again of interested and his terms bankable) then he blew THIS hire. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 14, 2017 21:34:05 GMT -8
President Ray did not hire GA. He was involved and informed throughout the process, and approved the choice, but it was BDC's call. Dude.
So, I guess you are advocating the firing of President Ray if Tedford is not hired, since he is the only "they" who "effed up" the previous hire who is still working at the university. I'm not sure why you would want to fire such an astute administrator as President Ray, but I guess you have your reasons.
And let's say Tedford isn't hired, but whoever is turns the ship completely around and succeeds. Would you still claim they completely blew this hire?
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 14, 2017 21:56:49 GMT -8
President Ray did not hire GA. He was involved and informed throughout the process, and approved the choice, but it was BDC's call. Dude. So, I guess you are advocating the firing of President Ray if Tedford is not hired, since he is the only "they" who "effed up" the previous hire who is still working at the university. I'm not sure why you would want to fire such an astute administrator as President Ray, but I guess you have your reasons. And let's say Tedford isn't hired, but whoever is turns the ship completely around and succeeds. Would you still claim they completely blew this hire? You're still... just a guy... maybe a few more monikers and you'll make some sense. Your argumentative circles are a waste. Good luck in your next "life". |
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Post by dK on Nov 14, 2017 22:31:36 GMT -8
"As fast as Barnes... if he hires any of the three mentioned over Tedford (again of interested and his terms bankable) then he blew THIS hire."
OK, I admit I am getting older and don't always understand your younger folks jargon, but what does this sentence mean in regular English?
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Post by jdogge on Nov 14, 2017 23:15:39 GMT -8
Scott Barnes did not "eff up" the last hire, since he was at Utah State at the time. Except for President Ray, who only signs off on the hire, the administrators who hired GA - which was a very popular choice that time, a P5 head coach with proven FBS success at two schools, just as you advocate - no longer work at the university. So why would anyone need to be replaced if Jeff Tedford isn't hired, especially if there have been no signs Tedford is even interested in the job? Dude... you're clueless if you think Ray only "signs off". The man is astute and highly involved. You lose all cred with just that statement. As fast as Barnes... if he hires any of the three mentioned over Tedford (again of interested and his terms bankable) then he blew THIS hire. Um, sorry. You're a tool, fool. The number of decisions that pass through Ed Ray's in basket on a daily basis does not permit his being intimately involved in hiring the football coach. He's a supreme delegator and does not get involved with hiring the help. He states expectations and signs off on the decision. That's all. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Nov 15, 2017 6:42:40 GMT -8
Dude... you're clueless if you think Ray only "signs off". The man is astute and highly involved. You lose all cred with just that statement. As fast as Barnes... if he hires any of the three mentioned over Tedford (again of interested and his terms bankable) then he blew THIS hire. Um, sorry. You're a tool, fool. The number of decisions that pass through Ed Ray's in basket on a daily basis does not permit his being intimately involved in hiring the football coach. He's a supreme delegator and does not get involved with hiring the help. He states expectations and signs off on the decision. That's all. I'm gonna disagree with you there. In fact your statement is borderline ludicrous.
Who is (will be) the highest profile employee at Oregon State University? Who is the highest paid employee at Oregon State University, by a country mile?
You can't possibly think the president of the University isn't fully aware of that. It's not like he's signing a new contract with a trash/disposal company. He is hiring one of the highest paid employees in the entire State of Oregon. in fact, 2nd highest no?
Ed Ray is 100% invested in this decision, it has his name stamped all over it. Is he part of the decision making process? Probably to some degree, certainly not as hands on as the AD. But to your comment, no, the next football coach at Oregon State is not just a piece of paper sitting on the President's desk waiting for his signature.
It's a major decision, a major hire, for the program, for the athletic department, for the university, for the President of the University, and the State of Oregon.
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Post by jdogge on Nov 15, 2017 8:59:12 GMT -8
Um, sorry. You're a tool, fool. The number of decisions that pass through Ed Ray's in basket on a daily basis does not permit his being intimately involved in hiring the football coach. He's a supreme delegator and does not get involved with hiring the help. He states expectations and signs off on the decision. That's all. I'm gonna disagree with you there. In fact your statement is borderline ludicrous.
Who is (will be) the highest profile employee at Oregon State University? Who is the highest paid employee at Oregon State University, by a country mile?
You can't possibly think the president of the University isn't fully aware of that. It's not like he's signing a new contract with a trash/disposal company. He is hiring one of the highest paid employees in the entire State of Oregon. in fact, 2nd highest no?
Ed Ray is 100% invested in this decision, it has his name stamped all over it. Is he part of the decision making process? Probably to some degree, certainly not as hands on as the AD. But to your comment, no, the next football coach at Oregon State is not just a piece of paper sitting on the President's desk waiting for his signature.
It's a major decision, a major hire, for the program, for the athletic department, for the university, for the President of the University, and the State of Oregon.
Well, I know the man personally and have worked with him on a major project involving a serious legal risk to the University. He does not get involved until a decision is made and requires him to sign off. He will get weekly updates through the AD, who sits as Member of the University Cabinet. He does not micro-manage, even in a decision such as this. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 15, 2017 9:06:38 GMT -8
And let's say Tedford isn't hired, but whoever is turns the ship completely around and succeeds. Would you still claim they completely blew this hire?
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Asked, but not answered. Surprising because usually the smartest guy in the room thinks he knows all.
And thanks for your concern about my "next life," but I'm pretty happy with my current one. As far as my "moniker" goes, do some research. You might learn something, and perhaps even enjoy what you discover.
Obviously President Ray is invested. But he isn't conducting interviews. He's not meeting with the search firm. Barnes is running the show. He'll keep Ray fully informed, of course. And when he makes his decision, he'll go to Ray with all the pertinent info, and Ray will say either yay or nay, and resurface for the press conference after two months spent completely distancing himself from everything concerning Andersen's departure.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Nov 15, 2017 9:29:36 GMT -8
I'm gonna disagree with you there. In fact your statement is borderline ludicrous.
Who is (will be) the highest profile employee at Oregon State University? Who is the highest paid employee at Oregon State University, by a country mile?
You can't possibly think the president of the University isn't fully aware of that. It's not like he's signing a new contract with a trash/disposal company. He is hiring one of the highest paid employees in the entire State of Oregon. in fact, 2nd highest no?
Ed Ray is 100% invested in this decision, it has his name stamped all over it. Is he part of the decision making process? Probably to some degree, certainly not as hands on as the AD. But to your comment, no, the next football coach at Oregon State is not just a piece of paper sitting on the President's desk waiting for his signature.
It's a major decision, a major hire, for the program, for the athletic department, for the university, for the President of the University, and the State of Oregon.
Well, I know the man personally and have worked with him on a major project involving a serious legal risk to the University. He does not get involved until a decision is made and requires him to sign off. He will get weekly updates through the AD, who sits as Member of the University Cabinet. He does not micro-manage, even in a decision such as this. OK, I buy that. But your prior comment was a bit more flippant regarding his involvement.
It's a big hire. For him, for the State of Oregon. Think about the ramifications if CGA rode out this season, got fired, and walked away with a few million of the state's dollars. Not a decision to take lightly, particularly since the job at hand is a really difficult one.
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Post by ag87 on Nov 15, 2017 9:34:07 GMT -8
Just a guess, but I believe Pres Ray is working very closely with AD Barnes on this hiring. It is too important to delegate and only get weekly updates.
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