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Post by skyrider on Nov 14, 2017 6:17:45 GMT -8
Here is a post game quote from Tres Tinkle after the Wyoming game. "Nobody - one through five on the court - wanted to defend," Tres Tinkle said.
This sums up Wayne Tinkle's coaching (or in reality lack of coaching) .
I am now 100% convinced that either (a) he does not know how to coach offensive and defensive fundamentals and/or (b) he is unable or unwilling to demand that the players execute them.
Put me down as saying he will be one in a recent long line of terrible coaching selections for OSU men's basketball.
I know the above sounds very harsh. I hope I am wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 6:58:19 GMT -8
Here is a post game quote from Tres Tinkle after the Wyoming game. "Nobody - one through five on the court - wanted to defend," Tres Tinkle said.
This sums up Wayne Tinkle's coaching (or in reality lack of coaching) .
I am now 100% convinced that either (a) he does not know how to coach offensive and defensive fundamentals and/or (b) he is unable or unwilling to demand that the players execute them.
Put me down as saying he will be one in a recent long line of terrible coaching selections for OSU men's basketball.
I know the above sounds very harsh. I hope I am wrong. we know (a) is wrong from the simple case of Tinkle's first year when the defense was stellar. So (b) is the clear choice. I see some good individual D effort out there but it's not from the Thompsons. Start there.
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Post by obf on Nov 14, 2017 7:32:49 GMT -8
Was chit chatting with a player a couple weeks ago, and without provocation (just a simple, "How's the season looking") he said the team was going to be a lot better talent wise, and should be a lot deeper, win more games, etc... but leadership wise it's hard to be a vocal leader when there are coaches son's on the roster who:
A.) Aren't vocal leaders themselves.
B.) Are the ones in need of a good chew out from someone.
C.) Aren't going to get that chew out from their Dad or Dad's buddy.
The clear indication, without said player naming names was that Stevie, our four star "athlete" who has 1 star BBall skills is getting undeserved preferential treatment (why is he starting??? No handles, worst defender on the team, can't shoot, misses FT, etc), and doesn't want to be called out for it, and either the other players haven't tried to call him out or feel like there will be backlash if they do (this was the feeling I got from the player's coaches son comment).
I sure hope the other 4 star Thompson can actually deliver on his rating, because so far Stevie has been a big fat zero...
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Taking names and vitriol out of the equation (Sorry STJ, still bummed about last night and your "performance")... Tinkle and co don't get credit for recruiting their sons (actually much tougher than you would expect) and they won't get any credit for how hard it is to coach your sons... But they better figure it out pretty quick because it will soon be the downfall of their P5 coaching careers... You can't have leadership voids and factions on your team...
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Post by seastape on Nov 14, 2017 10:04:42 GMT -8
Here is a post game quote from Tres Tinkle after the Wyoming game. "Nobody - one through five on the court - wanted to defend," Tres Tinkle said.
This sums up Wayne Tinkle's coaching (or in reality lack of coaching) .
I am now 100% convinced that either (a) he does not know how to coach offensive and defensive fundamentals and/or (b) he is unable or unwilling to demand that the players execute them.
Put me down as saying he will be one in a recent long line of terrible coaching selections for OSU men's basketball.
I know the above sounds very harsh. I hope I am wrong. That is the most frustrating thing about the program right now...we know (a) is not correct because Tinkle recognized that we did not have offensive talent his first year and made the players play defense to keep the team in games.
Where is that effort this year? Where is the effort, the desire to win anywhere?
Our guards...ugh. McLaughlin scored nothin' in 28 minutes of play and only came up with 4 assists in that time. S. Thompson shot 15% from the floor, 14% from the arc, and 60% from the line. He got three steals...that is the only plus on his line. E. Thompson fouled out in 22 minutes after shooting 16% from the floor, 20% from the 3, and never got to the free throw line. All in all, the three starting guards played 87 minutes (avg. 29), shot 3 of 21 from the field (14%), shot 2 of 13 from the 3 (15%), and dished out 8 assists. That is a seriously ugly offensive night.
There were positives, but not enough. Tres Tinkle looks very good out there, skills and effort wise, and his stat line shows it. Alfred Hollins did some good things, getting 5 points in 5 minutes. He looked like a freshman but showed some flashes. The team only gave up 11 turnovers, that's not bad. Kendall Manuel made some nice plays.
Painful overall, though. The Beavs have to start from square one.
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Post by vhalum92 on Nov 14, 2017 10:34:45 GMT -8
I admit, Hoops is not my strong strength as far as experience or first hand coaching knowledge but I offer the following observations....
GP II played defense first and developed into a leader that helped the entire team take defense more seriously.
It seems to me that when you add offensive fire power, human nature is to relax on the defensive side of things being overconfident you can outscore them.
I think last night was an "off" shooting night for everyone except Tinkle and he was average for him. The problem is you just can't turn on good team Defense... it has to be every DAMN DAY!
It didn't help that no one new what was a foul and what wasn't.... I loved the 2nd half come back and lead, then some key dudes got into foul trouble and we never regained our confidence and flow.
I too am very disappointed in the play last night... the best news is a basketball season is rarely summed up in one game. Hoping that this group gets back to work and improves on defense first, the scoring will come.
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 14, 2017 12:20:30 GMT -8
Was chit chatting with a player a couple weeks ago, and without provocation (just a simple, "How's the season looking") he said the team was going to be a lot better talent wise, and should be a lot deeper, win more games, etc... but leadership wise it's hard to be a vocal leader when there are coaches son's on the roster who: A.) Aren't vocal leaders themselves. B.) Are the ones in need of a good chew out from someone.
C.) Aren't going to get that chew out from their Dad or Dad's buddy.
The clear indication, without said player naming names was that Stevie, our four star "athlete" who has 1 star BBall skills is getting undeserved preferential treatment (why is he starting??? No handles, worst defender on the team, can't shoot, misses FT, etc), and doesn't want to be called out for it, and either the other players haven't tried to call him out or feel like there will be backlash if they do (this was the feeling I got from the player's coaches son comment).
I sure hope the other 4 star Thompson can actually deliver on his rating, because so far Stevie has been a big fat zero...
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Taking names and vitriol out of the equation (Sorry STJ, still bummed about last night and your "performance")... Tinkle and co don't get credit for recruiting their sons (actually much tougher than you would expect) and they won't get any credit for how hard it is to coach your sons... But they better figure it out pretty quick because it will soon be the downfall of their P5 coaching careers... You can't have leadership voids and factions on your team...our 1 and 2 are our weak link. when they are on, they are on... but they are streaky as hell. Our perimeter defense is garbage. We are stout in the paint. we rebound well. Tres and Eubanks and anybody we put down low battle like hell. We are killed by open shots and s%#tty defense on the perimeter. Stevie simply is a liability and I buy the notion he is getting preferential treatment and it is affecting team chemistry. Dude needs to ride some pine if he continues to not defend and miss shots. If he was a dominate shooter, you can put up with sloppy D. but he ain't. If he was a dominate defender, you could put up with poor shooting. he is neither. He is as streaky as they come. he busts out a 20 point game, then goes back to 2-12 shooting the very next. I don't buy that Tinkle can't coach. He has way to much successful history. Even here, at OSU, with OSU talent. I do buy that he is in a personnel dilemma he has never faced before and he is not making the tough call, or the right call. He is trying to weather a storm and hope it comes together. All I know is that 3rd slot assistant coaches are a dime a dozen, and if a kid needs to sit, a kid needs to sit. Overall team consistency is a huge issue right now. Games we defend well, we seem to not shoot for s%#t. Games we are lights out on the floor, we can't stop them either. We can't seem to put it all together.
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Post by gnawitall on Nov 14, 2017 12:31:27 GMT -8
one thing for sure is playing tough D is very demanding on your legs and can hurt your O (accept of course for freaks like LeBron). Wh6en playing tough D it's better to go inside out IMHO. Many perimeter players play soft cuz they don't want to lose there legs also IMHO
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