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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 13, 2017 22:01:32 GMT -8
Glad someone else sees it the way it should be seen. So many Tinkle apologists, or people who want to be positive because it's the "right" thing to do. This is year 4, all Tinkle recruits, and we just got embarrassed by Wyoming at home. Wyoming at freaking home. I️ think your the only one sitting at home embarrassed. Supposedly a season ticket holder... so is he in here somewhere embarrassed?
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Post by obf on Nov 13, 2017 22:02:51 GMT -8
You can call all the beautiful plays you want... but if the play ends up with a wide open jumper for your upperclassman "leader" and he clank, clank, clankity clanks it time and again...
We should have kept going to the low block instead of letting Stevie shoot bricks...
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Nov 13, 2017 22:04:25 GMT -8
We are so poorly coached, it's ****ing incredible. I'm done with this team. My last year buying season tickets. I can't even believe the **** we watch anymore. Your done with this team?.. yet you keep posting about them
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Post by beaver94 on Nov 13, 2017 22:04:30 GMT -8
You can call all the beautiful plays you want... but if the play ends up with a wide open jumper for your upperclassman "leader" and he clank, clank, clankity clanks it time and again... We should have kept going to the low block instead of letting Stevie shoot bricks... Yep, they seemed to quit working it inside much. I️ don’t remember seeing much of big G in the second was he in foul trouble?
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Post by obf on Nov 13, 2017 22:05:07 GMT -8
Well... we didn't give up 40+ the 2nd half! But, scoring 28 (as of now) will not cut it. I'll stick by my prognostication... 17 wins would be a dream leap for this team. I would take 17 wins right now! Tinkle needs to stop coddling Stevie and bury him deep on the bench! Heck lets go big! Jacquori, Hollins (had some nice moves tonight), Tinkle, Drew and Big G!
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Post by gnawitall on Nov 13, 2017 22:05:26 GMT -8
Drive after drive after drive... it's like the rich private school finesse team playing a a vet street ball team! And another lay in... what? Like a 22-5 run? All the refs MP? I'm guessing coach wants to funnel the perimeter to our bigs cuz we can't guard the three point line. Just sayin'
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Post by beaverstever on Nov 13, 2017 22:08:47 GMT -8
3-21 out of our highly-touted starting guards, 4-26 overall for our backcourt players. I thought we'd see smaller lineups this year, but tonight we'd been better off playing and feeding the bigs - they could at least hit the barn once in a while.
Sure hope it was just one of those nights.
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Post by beaverstever on Nov 13, 2017 22:11:21 GMT -8
Drive after drive after drive... it's like the rich private school finesse team playing a a vet street ball team! And another lay in... what? Like a 22-5 run? All the refs MP? I'm guessing coach wants to funnel the perimeter to our bigs cuz we can't guard the three point line. Just sayin' Unfortunately it was their bigs that did most of the damage from deep, often out of man D.
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Post by gnawitall on Nov 13, 2017 22:23:48 GMT -8
I'm guessing coach wants to funnel the perimeter to our bigs cuz we can't guard the three point line. Just sayin' Unfortunately it was their bigs that did most of the damage from deep, often out of man D. I'm sure. I was spoiled by the 80's and have had a hard time watching. I mostly follow the games through the board and twitter so I wouldn't know what D they were playing. Yeah, I probably need therapy. The 'ol conditioning thing keeps me from getting too hopeful.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 13, 2017 23:57:21 GMT -8
Unfortunately it was their bigs that did most of the damage from deep, often out of man D. I'm sure. I was spoiled by the 80's and have had a hard time watching. I mostly follow the games through the board and twitter so I wouldn't know what D they were playing. Yeah, I probably need therapy. The 'ol conditioning thing keeps me from getting too hopeful. OSU was playing "no D"... it was "olay" right to the rim or mostly wide open threes. Luckily they turned it over a lot in the 1st half or it could have been worse early.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Nov 13, 2017 23:57:43 GMT -8
Unfortunately it was their bigs that did most of the damage from deep, often out of man D. I'm sure. I was spoiled by the 80's and have had a hard time watching. I mostly follow the games through the board and twitter so I wouldn't know what D they were playing. Yeah, I probably need therapy. The 'ol conditioning thing keeps me from getting too hopeful. I too was spoiled by the 80's. I watched this game with some hope, but I grew more depressed as the game went along. I am realistic enough, after last season, to not expect us to win every night. But is it too much to look forward to watching a well-coached team put forth good effort? Apparently it is..... Kudos to Drew - he has clearly worked on post moves and free throws. He was getting screened out in the second half and not fighting through, but he was clearly putting out good effort out there. I was not impressed with Jacquori's game tonight. I saw him bring a lot more to the party in games last year, he seemed very passive/tentative/like a freshman this evening. Witness the layup he blew that should have been a throw down......he did rebound well, but his D was quite lacking, and even Mike Montgomery pointed out that it took well into the 2nd half for him to ring up a single foul (which with the refs out there is *really* saying something). Big G was really working hard on the low blocks, our guards should have been rewarding him more for his efforts, but we have a couple guards who love the 3 ball (even on dreadfully "off" nights), or would go in for a weak move near the rim with tall timber all around them (and those guards sure go for the finesse move, not drawing contact and adding points to difficulty of making the shot). Steven Thompson did not look like a coaches kid out there tonight. Ill advised 3s, and he didn't seem to have his head in the game. I ascribe the FT misses to lack of concentration.... The transfer forward was a pleasant surprise, played hard, did some positive things. Kendal Manual should have been starting ahead of any of the 3 starting guards - and should have had even more minutes, since he was one of the few that was effective on D and O. I didn't think our coaching was as "on" as I've seen in the past. It seemed obvious to all that their tall timber was more of an outside threat than a concern in the paint, but that didn't stop us from slacking off to help, leaving them open, and it was obvious they were having trouble with our bigs but we didn't set up for a "pound it inside" or "everything towards the basket" sort of game. I would have rotated in our bigs to just stick like glue to theirs, and would have eschewed the 3 ball (especially tonight of all nights) and attempted to get their bigs in foul trouble or at least played more in the paint (though not bunchball in the paint). I also would have used the last minute or two to refine the "foul for profit" end game - I was surprised when we lost interest with ~40 seconds to go. It is game 2 of the season, right? But the biggest issues that worried me most? 1) Lack of fire. The guys just seemed to be low energy tonight. 2) There are no "extension of the coaches" guards starting right now - I just don't see a lot of vocal, visible leadership out there, no one getting in guys faces, pounding each other, challenging each other, firing each other up, or showing enough understanding of the game to set themselves up right, but also get the team settled and executing 3) Fundamentals - staying in front of the driver on D, not reaching, (my pet peeve) repeated lazy-a** passes that Ralph Miller would have benched someone for after one, pressing at the right time, pulling the ball out at the right time, not taking a shot 10 seconds into the shot clock you could get at any point, understanding shot clock on D, etc etc Again - the better team (at least tonight) won, and I don't begrudge that. I just don't like how we lost. Kudos to Wyoming, they were well coached and played to their talents. And while the refs had several head scratchers, I think it was not super one sided (note we shot a ton of FTs compared to them, at least in the first half - we just needed our guards to make more of them). I hope its mid term week or we find out everyone ate at a sketch restaurant last night......it feels like the talent is there, but we aren't all rowing together yet. Also, they should put more of the WBB out of conference games on TV. Just sayin'...... Go Beavers!
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Post by fridaynightlights on Nov 14, 2017 2:05:56 GMT -8
Tinkle has this year and next to make the NCAA tourney. After that we lose our best players and he has not shown the ability recruit well enough to give much hope for the future unless there are some more coaches kids somewhere in the pipeline.
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Post by beaverinohio on Nov 14, 2017 7:53:18 GMT -8
This was a tough one to watch. And I can't put this at the feet of Tinkle. I have a hard time believing that the scouting report didn't say stay up on Dalton and Herndon when they're outside. Dalton attempted 150 3s last year and Herndon 153, and they both shot better than 34.5%. In their first game, Dalton went 5 of 9 from 3 and Herndon went 2 of 5. Between the two of them against Chattanooga they took 14 of the 21 threes Wyoming attempted. That tells me that Eubanks and the others guarding those two weren't following instructions. If Tinkle deserves any blame for that, it comes from him not going small when it was obvious Eubanks and Rako couldn't play the required D against those 2. And its not like going small would have hurt our rebounding. Eubanks had 2 rebounds in 30 minutes and Rako none in 9 minutes. At one point when the Beavs were back sliding but still in the game Herndon hit a 3 because Eubanks left him, and then he went back door when Eubanks was guarding him. If Drew has any thoughts of going pro after this year, he can't play defense like this. But to be fair to Tinkle, it would have been difficult to take Eubanks out with ST Jr. not supplying any offense.
I had posted in another thread that I was worried about how consistent Ethan would be, and he followed up a great game with a not so great game. That in combination with Stevie's bad night and McLaughlin not showing any aggressiveness in getting his own shot -- well it was't the Beavers night. Beavers do have some youth, but that was a game that the experienced core needed to close out -- especially at home. On to Long Beach St. Hopefully Tinkle and staff can use last night as a good teaching moment and get these guys playing together and better.
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Post by beaverinohio on Nov 14, 2017 8:01:11 GMT -8
And what was with the piss-poor attendance? Place looked absolutely empty and ESPN shows attendance at only 3,874. Is that the norm these days?
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Post by nabeav on Nov 14, 2017 8:45:20 GMT -8
And what was with the piss-poor attendance? Place looked absolutely empty and ESPN shows attendance at only 3,874. Is that the norm these days? For an 8pm Monday night game vs. Wyoming? Sounds about right. They got 4,600 last Friday for SUU.
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