bill82
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Post by bill82 on Nov 5, 2017 2:59:17 GMT -8
Every team seems to shoot well against us. I don't think it is a coincidence. Actually we were 6th in the Pac-12 in 3-point field-goal percentage defense last season. But don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant. I'm all for cherry-picking statistics, and 6th is great, but perhaps teams played more second team players against us, lowering our opponent's shooting percentage. Remember, we were last in scoring margin last year and won just one game in conference. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 5, 2017 8:01:17 GMT -8
Actually we were 6th in the Pac-12 in 3-point field-goal percentage defense last season. But don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant. I'm all for cherry-picking statistics, and 6th is great, but perhaps teams played more second team players against us, lowering our opponent's shooting percentage. Remember, we were last in scoring margin last year and won just one game in conference. We were last in scoring margin because we were by far the worst in scoring, not scoring defense, both season long and in conference. |
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Nov 5, 2017 9:06:01 GMT -8
Actually we were 6th in the Pac-12 in 3-point field-goal percentage defense last season. But don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant. I'm all for cherry-picking statistics, and 6th is great, but perhaps teams played more second team players against us, lowering our opponent's shooting percentage. Remember, we were last in scoring margin last year and won just one game in conference. Isn't you saying that it was perhaps it was 2nd string players your way of cherry picking to prove your point? You have no way to know.. unless you could find a stat showing starters vs backups shooting pct |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 5, 2017 15:55:07 GMT -8
Actually we were 6th in the Pac-12 in 3-point field-goal percentage defense last season. But don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant. I'm all for cherry-picking statistics, and 6th is great, but perhaps teams played more second team players against us, lowering our opponent's shooting percentage. Remember, we were last in scoring margin last year and won just one game in conference. The conversation was about 3-point shooting. I showed you the stat directly specific to defending the 3-point shot. That's about as far removed from cherry picking as one can get. |
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Post by beaverstever on Nov 5, 2017 23:01:04 GMT -8
That stat does surprise me, as it doesn't seem WT's teams are very good at defending the 3, so middle of the pack for a terrible team seems strange. Additionally, given how soft they were, that number would likely actually be inflated in that teams could play looser (i.e. should shoot better), knowing they were likely to win. I suspect this is because the 3 ball has become more emphasized in general and offenses are designed more for it that it just seems we're bad at it ... and in reality, everybody more recently looks worse at it. It's interesting to see the Orlando Magic coming in at #1 in 3pt defense so far (something they are emphasizing), but it's also putting them dead last in both points-in-the-paint allowed and near the bottom for 2nd chance point allowed. You pick your poison on these thing. www.nba.com/magic/es/news/stats-you-need-know-defending-3-pointers-cohen-20171031 |
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 5, 2017 23:54:01 GMT -8
That stat does surprise me, as it doesn't seem WT's teams are very good at defending the 3, so middle of the pack for a terrible team seems strange. Additionally, given how soft they were, that number would likely actually be inflated in that teams could play looser (i.e. should shoot better), knowing they were likely to win. I suspect this is because the 3 ball has become more emphasized in general and offenses are designed more for it that it just seems we're bad at it ... and in reality, everybody more recently looks worse at it. It's interesting to see the Orlando Magic coming in at #1 in 3pt defense so far (something they are emphasizing), but it's also putting them dead last in both points-in-the-paint allowed and near the bottom for 2nd chance point allowed. You pick your poison on these thing. www.nba.com/magic/es/news/stats-you-need-know-defending-3-pointers-cohen-20171031Good pull. Teams don't need the three of they can score at will inside. Also if the point differential is large teams tend to shoot less from three. OSU was 5-27/1-17... no other stats needed. They were bad anywhere and everywhere it counted. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 6, 2017 9:14:06 GMT -8
Not impressed- D was horrible, 3 point D was MIA. Offensively, we have slightly better athletes getting the ball to the hoop, but - 3 point shooting was not a highlight. Ethan looks like he will do some damage, Stevie looked okay. Ball handling was sloppy all game, Pacific had their hands all over the ball on almost every possession. Did not see too many clean, well executed plays. We had the length and athleticism, but cannot execute an offense. I care way less about defense in an exhibition game, than I care about offense which was our problem last year. we shot 48% on the game, which was okay. We were pretty bad behind the arc, and terrible at the FT line. Those are bigger issues than playing soft generic D against a warm up team for a game that doesn't count. Crappy FT % will kill you in a real game. It has been a heel of our team way longer than other things. Not hitting free points drives a coach crazy all the way from middle school to the NBA. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Nov 6, 2017 9:49:39 GMT -8
Have to remember this was a scrimmage/exhibition and they won pretty handily. They likely didn't game plan, and it's all about working on various things. I actually would have liked to see the score closer so that Tinkle and staff have no problem getting the team's attention heading into the games that count. Looks like S. Utah lost its best player from last year (grad transfer to LSU I believe), so Friday's game should be pretty easy. Come out of that game healthy with some improvements and we're on to the next game.
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Nov 6, 2017 11:26:13 GMT -8
Not impressed- D was horrible, 3 point D was MIA. Offensively, we have slightly better athletes getting the ball to the hoop, but - 3 point shooting was not a highlight. Ethan looks like he will do some damage, Stevie looked okay. Ball handling was sloppy all game, Pacific had their hands all over the ball on almost every possession. Did not see too many clean, well executed plays. We had the length and athleticism, but cannot execute an offense. I care way less about defense in an exhibition game, than I care about offense which was our problem last year. we shot 48% on the game, which was okay. We were pretty bad behind the arc, and terrible at the FT line. Those are bigger issues than playing soft generic D against a warm up team for a game that doesn't count. Crappy FT % will kill you in a real game. It has been a heel of our team way longer than other things. Not hitting free points drives a coach crazy all the way from middle school to the NBA. Terrible at the FT line?.. they shot 76%(22-29) |
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Post by mbabeav on Nov 6, 2017 12:32:57 GMT -8
I'm all for cherry-picking statistics, and 6th is great, but perhaps teams played more second team players against us, lowering our opponent's shooting percentage. Remember, we were last in scoring margin last year and won just one game in conference. The conversation was about 3-point shooting. I showed you the stat directly specific to defending the 3-point shot. That's about as far removed from cherry picking as one can get. Face it, pacific was like playing 2nd and 3rd string players - they just shot really well from beyond the arc, and this was sometimes from well beyond the NBA line - it was the only thing that could have kept them in the game. They had one kid that was 5-6, and he hit a few while an OSU player was all over him. They can be proud about how well they played against us. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 6, 2017 14:30:32 GMT -8
The conversation was about 3-point shooting. I showed you the stat directly specific to defending the 3-point shot. That's about as far removed from cherry picking as one can get. Face it, pacific was like playing 2nd and 3rd string players - they just shot really well from beyond the arc, and this was sometimes from well beyond the NBA line - it was the only thing that could have kept them in the game. They had one kid that was 5-6, and he hit a few while an OSU player was all over him. They can be proud about how well they played against us. Our 3 point defense wasn't really that bad... They had ONE guy go on fire. Dude was 6-9 behind the arc. Comically he was 6-13 in shooting, period. Everybody else on that team was a normal human, 1-3, 1-4, 1-2, 0-1, 1-2, 1-1, 0-1, 1-1, 0-1 was the rest of the team. One guy was 66% behind the arc. the rest of the team was 6 for 16, 25%. They popped a lot of threes because they couldn't get penetration, they had 14 points in the paint to our 51. Sometimes a dude just is on a hot streak. He was firing them way back. I wouldn't stress it. I'd stress our 14 turnovers more. Sloppy, sloppy. |
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Post by orangeblood on Nov 6, 2017 19:55:57 GMT -8
Terrible free throw shooting? 22-29 76%.
Includes 1 of 4 from guys who will not see the floor in an important game and 21-25 from rotation players. I would gladly take 76% on the year and 84% from rotation guys.
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 7, 2017 12:48:43 GMT -8
Terrible free throw shooting? 22-29 76%. Includes 1 of 4 from guys who will not see the floor in an important game and 21-25 from rotation players. I would gladly take 76% on the year and 84% from rotation guys. Touchy crowd. I was under the impression we missed a couple first shot one and ones and it annoyed me. It is exhibition so there is no game log for me to go look, but that was in my mind. It wasn't just the overall percent, but the missed opportunity, we pulled over 20 fouls. I could be wrong just as easy. |
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Post by orangeblood on Nov 7, 2017 18:21:14 GMT -8
Not touchy - just like to deal with facts
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