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Post by Werebeaver on Oct 26, 2017 11:22:20 GMT -8
OSU WBB won it's first outright Pac-10/12 conference championship in '14-15 using a 10 player roster. Playing mostly a 3-guard set with 5 guards (Jamie, Sydney, Gabby, Ali & Jen) you're going to HAVE to give some playing time to your 5th guard. In '15-16 OSU won Pac-12 co-championship & tourney and advanced to Final 4. JVH's minutes decreased with the addition of Katie McW but her averages went up. It's just silly to claim that Jen Hill should "never have seen the court". Such comments mark you as more of provocateur than a thoughtful contributor. "SR is not incapable of error" Sorry, but that's not the standard by which any serious person judges coaching success. (OBTW. Let's compare JVH's '16 stat line to Taylor Kalmer's '17 stat line: Games played, Ave Pts, Assists/TO's, Steals JVH '16 - 15, 5.5, 11/7, 3 TK '17 - 24, 3.3, 21/21, 5) JVH should never have seen the court. Slow and created a lot of turnovers, provided no offense or defense against good teams. I don't see how anyone can honestly dispute that. He played her and left Taylor Kalmer sitting on the bench. As bad as JVH was, there was no excuse for that. You can say TK couldn't play defense, but JVH was so bad that there's no doubt that TK was better. In ALL respects. Playing JVH over TK was an actual, real, substantial mistake. When I say SR is not incapable of error, I'm NOT judging him. I'm judging you and others who take offense at criticism of SR. The simple fact is that many on this board take offense at any criticism of SR, and usually it is on the basis of his good record. Quoting his record is not a worthy argument. He DOES make mistakes, so merely pointing out a mistake of his should not warrant angry rebuke. I'm not angry - at all. There's nothing to be angry about. Stats just don't backup your assertions on JVH's turnovers. JVH Games, Assist/TO: '15 - 30, 31/24 '16 - 15, 11/7 Total 45 42/31. 5.4/4.0 per 40min By comparison, let's put up Taylor Kalmer's 2 seasons: '16 - 24, 16/12 '17 - 24, 21/21 Total 48, 37/33. 3.9/3.5 per 40min Pretty comparable. So what about Taylor? Should she "Never see the court"? To your claim that: "He (Rueck) played her (JVH) and left Taylor Kalmer sitting on the bench". That isn't backed up by facts either. The only season TK and JVH played together was 2015-16. During that Season JVH played 82 minutes in 15 games. TK played 163 minutes in 24 games. Not sure what your totally subjective axe to grind is against JVH (I don't want to guess) but it's not backed up by stats - just your opinion. For whatever that might be worth. |
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Post by beavdowg on Oct 26, 2017 11:44:19 GMT -8
Uh...sounds like the debate has been settled. Can't argue with that evidence! Case closed.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 26, 2017 12:47:14 GMT -8
Uh...sounds like the debate has been settled. Can't argue with that evidence! Case closed. Never... just look at his moniker. He'll have to have the last word, no matter how idiotic it continues to make him seem. Like I mentioned... Seems to have a bit of a SR grudge. First KM, then JVR. All about playing time and who should or should not be on the court... but not judging SR. Lol... probably coached his daughters youth teams, went to some clinics, I line research (although not much by the looks of it) and is now an insider on past mistakes and avoiding future ones. Oh... he'll be back 🤣 |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Oct 26, 2017 14:49:20 GMT -8
Uh...sounds like the debate has been settled. Can't argue with that evidence! Case closed. Never... just look at his moniker. He'll have to have the last word, no matter how idiotic it continues to make him seem. Like I mentioned... Seems to have a bit of a SR grudge. First KM, then JVR. All about playing time and who should or should not be on the court... but not judging SR. Lol... probably coached his daughters youth teams, went to some clinics, I line research (although not much by the looks of it) and is now an insider on past mistakes and avoiding future ones. Oh... he'll be back 🤣 And before that he had an issue with Syd at guard and how DS is going to make everyone forget about her. JVH played a role in her time with us, when the defenders got to harassing Syd too much Hill would be sent in. She played very aggressive, was not intimidated by anyone. At least that is what I remember about her. In her four years at two schools she had a ridiculous win loss record. And as for Katie, not sure I'd use her at point but CR has shown to be a much better judge of skill than myself. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 15:23:43 GMT -8
JVH should never have seen the court. Slow and created a lot of turnovers, provided no offense or defense against good teams. I don't see how anyone can honestly dispute that. He played her and left Taylor Kalmer sitting on the bench. As bad as JVH was, there was no excuse for that. You can say TK couldn't play defense, but JVH was so bad that there's no doubt that TK was better. In ALL respects. Playing JVH over TK was an actual, real, substantial mistake. When I say SR is not incapable of error, I'm NOT judging him. I'm judging you and others who take offense at criticism of SR. The simple fact is that many on this board take offense at any criticism of SR, and usually it is on the basis of his good record. Quoting his record is not a worthy argument. He DOES make mistakes, so merely pointing out a mistake of his should not warrant angry rebuke. I'm not angry - at all. There's nothing to be angry about. Stats just don't backup your assertions on JVH's turnovers. JVH Games, Assist/TO: '15 - 30, 31/24 '16 - 15, 11/7 Total 45 42/31. 5.4/4.0 per 40min By comparison, let's put up Taylor Kalmer's 2 seasons: '16 - 24, 16/12 '17 - 24, 21/21 Total 48, 37/33. 3.9/3.5 per 40min Pretty comparable. So what about Taylor? Should she "Never see the court"? To your claim that: "He (Rueck) played her (JVH) and left Taylor Kalmer sitting on the bench". That isn't backed up by facts either. The only season TK and JVH played together was 2015-16. During that Season JVH played 82 minutes in 15 games. TK played 163 minutes in 24 games. Not sure what your totally subjective axe to grind is against JVH (I don't want to guess) but it's not backed up by stats - just your opinion. For whatever that might be worth. Offsensively, Kalmer could vastly outperform JVH. Also, Kalmer obviously has potential for improvement, where JVH was topped out and a dead end. For that reason alone, JVH should never have seen the court when Kalmer was available. TK should have been getting as much developmental time as possible. And perhaps I was especially sensitive to the horrible play of JVH, perhaps because she was just a terrible player, or maybe because she took court time away from KT. I do stand by my opinion of her: The worst player I've seen play for OSU in the last 4 years. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 26, 2017 15:58:43 GMT -8
I'm not angry - at all. There's nothing to be angry about. Stats just don't backup your assertions on JVH's turnovers. JVH Games, Assist/TO: '15 - 30, 31/24 '16 - 15, 11/7 Total 45 42/31. 5.4/4.0 per 40min By comparison, let's put up Taylor Kalmer's 2 seasons: '16 - 24, 16/12 '17 - 24, 21/21 Total 48, 37/33. 3.9/3.5 per 40min Pretty comparable. So what about Taylor? Should she "Never see the court"? To your claim that: "He (Rueck) played her (JVH) and left Taylor Kalmer sitting on the bench". That isn't backed up by facts either. The only season TK and JVH played together was 2015-16. During that Season JVH played 82 minutes in 15 games. TK played 163 minutes in 24 games. Not sure what your totally subjective axe to grind is against JVH (I don't want to guess) but it's not backed up by stats - just your opinion. For whatever that might be worth. Offsensively, Kalmer could vastly outperform JVH. Also, Kalmer obviously has potential for improvement, where JVH was topped out and a dead end. For that reason alone, JVH should never have seen the court when Kalmer was available. TK should have been getting as much developmental time as possible. And perhaps I was especially sensitive to the horrible play of JVH, perhaps because she was just a terrible player, or maybe because she took court time away from KT. I do stand by my opinion of her: The worst player I've seen play for OSU in the last 4 years. You continue to look like an idiot... I could, but will refrain, name several players so much worse that they basically never saw the floor. But... you seem to have an agenda. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Oct 26, 2017 21:19:54 GMT -8
I'm not angry - at all. There's nothing to be angry about. Stats just don't backup your assertions on JVH's turnovers. JVH Games, Assist/TO: '15 - 30, 31/24 '16 - 15, 11/7 Total 45 42/31. 5.4/4.0 per 40min By comparison, let's put up Taylor Kalmer's 2 seasons: '16 - 24, 16/12 '17 - 24, 21/21 Total 48, 37/33. 3.9/3.5 per 40min Pretty comparable. So what about Taylor? Should she "Never see the court"? To your claim that: "He (Rueck) played her (JVH) and left Taylor Kalmer sitting on the bench". That isn't backed up by facts either. The only season TK and JVH played together was 2015-16. During that Season JVH played 82 minutes in 15 games. TK played 163 minutes in 24 games. Not sure what your totally subjective axe to grind is against JVH (I don't want to guess) but it's not backed up by stats - just your opinion. For whatever that might be worth. Offsensively, Kalmer could vastly outperform JVH. Also, Kalmer obviously has potential for improvement, where JVH was topped out and a dead end. For that reason alone, JVH should never have seen the court when Kalmer was available. TK should have been getting as much developmental time as possible. And perhaps I was especially sensitive to the horrible play of JVH, perhaps because she was just a terrible player, or maybe because she took court time away from KT. I do stand by my opinion of her: The worst player I've seen play for OSU in the last 4 years. Who is “KT”? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 5:08:06 GMT -8
Offsensively, Kalmer could vastly outperform JVH. Also, Kalmer obviously has potential for improvement, where JVH was topped out and a dead end. For that reason alone, JVH should never have seen the court when Kalmer was available. TK should have been getting as much developmental time as possible. And perhaps I was especially sensitive to the horrible play of JVH, perhaps because she was just a terrible player, or maybe because she took court time away from KT. I do stand by my opinion of her: The worst player I've seen play for OSU in the last 4 years. Who is “KT”? "KT" = "Kalmer, Taylor" |
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Post by Werebeaver on Oct 27, 2017 7:20:05 GMT -8
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Post by ricke71 on Oct 27, 2017 15:17:16 GMT -8
I just had a “vision”...call it spiritual...(or whatever), that by the start of PAC 12 season the OSU WBB starting PG will be Mikayla Pivec, with Aleah Goodman as the backup. I’m pretty excited (to say the least) that, come January, I get to find out just how advanced my psychic powers are!
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