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Post by lebaneaver on Oct 21, 2017 20:11:13 GMT -8
...Astros to the WS against the Dodgers. Seems weird: Astros and Dodgers in the WS. Two NL teams for ahelluva long time. Question for the board: Is Ells done in NY? Crappy year for him. Is it age? Injuries? Lack of fire? Honest question. Danka
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Post by gnawitall on Oct 22, 2017 20:16:32 GMT -8
...Astros to the WS against the Dodgers. Seems weird: Astros and Dodgers in the WS. Two NL teams for ahelluva long time. Question for the board: Is Ells done in NY? Crappy year for him. Is it age? Injuries? Lack of fire? Honest question. Danka Been an astro fan for over 40 years. So excited. And yes, very weird that they were in the same division for many years. |
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Post by kersting13 on Oct 24, 2017 10:28:00 GMT -8
...Astros to the WS against the Dodgers. Seems weird: Astros and Dodgers in the WS. Two NL teams for ahelluva long time. Question for the board: Is Ells done in NY? Crappy year for him. Is it age? Injuries? Lack of fire? Honest question. Danka Yes, it seems weird that two NL West teams are playing each other in the WS. I didn't understand why Milwaukee got to move to the NL back at the last expansion, and then when they decided to go to uneven leagues, they moved the Astros instead of moving the Brewers back. The Astros had been an NL team longer than the Brewers had even existed. As for Ells, I can't say as I don't really watch the Yankees. Injuries and age probably have played a part. Ells #1 skill has always been speed, and that's one skill that absolutely does not improve with age. The good news for him is that he still gets $21 million+ a year for the next 3 years regardless. He's 33 now. Same age as Brett Gardner. |
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Post by messi on Oct 24, 2017 11:36:33 GMT -8
...Astros to the WS against the Dodgers. Seems weird: Astros and Dodgers in the WS. Two NL teams for ahelluva long time. Question for the board: Is Ells done in NY? Crappy year for him. Is it age? Injuries? Lack of fire? Honest question. Danka Yes, it seems weird that two NL West teams are playing each other in the WS. I didn't understand why Milwaukee got to move to the NL back at the last expansion, and then when they decided to go to uneven leagues, they moved the Astros instead of moving the Brewers back. The Astros had been an NL team longer than the Brewers had even existed. As for Ells, I can't say as I don't really watch the Yankees. Injuries and age probably have played a part. Ells #1 skill has always been speed, and that's one skill that absolutely does not improve with age. The good news for him is that he still gets $21 million+ a year for the next 3 years regardless. He's 33 now. Same age as Brett Gardner. The Brewers move was so interleague play could be done during certain parts of the season, instead of the entire season like we have now, since each league had an even number of teams (16 NL, 14 AL). Also the owner of the Brewers at the time was the acting commissioner, Bud Selig. So the Brewers were getting the short end from the get go. Kansas City was first offered the chance to move to the NL Central, and they declined, and so Bud said, 'that's it, Milwaukee will be moving', and the owners agreed.
Houston's move was to create an even field opportunity to reach the playoffs. With the extra wild card spot, an AL team would have had a better chance of reaching the playoffs since there were two fewer teams compared to the NL. Jim Crane wanted to own a baseball team, and was turned down from owning the Rangers. When the Astros went up for sale, MLB owners told him they would allow him to purchase the franchise, but only if he agrees to move the team.
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Post by lebaneaver on Oct 24, 2017 12:37:52 GMT -8
On topic of baseball: I see Portland "seems" to have a real shot of garnering one if the expansion teams..OR...is in the discussions about being a relocation destination for one of the struggling franchises. I've got a few questions....like everybody else.
Is it better to NOT have a MLB team with OSU being the premier baseball team in the state? Would it shrink home attendance (at Coleman)?
Can the state SUPPORT a major league baseball team? That's ahelluvalot of home games....
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Post by kersting13 on Oct 24, 2017 14:47:19 GMT -8
Yes, it seems weird that two NL West teams are playing each other in the WS. I didn't understand why Milwaukee got to move to the NL back at the last expansion, and then when they decided to go to uneven leagues, they moved the Astros instead of moving the Brewers back. The Astros had been an NL team longer than the Brewers had even existed. As for Ells, I can't say as I don't really watch the Yankees. Injuries and age probably have played a part. Ells #1 skill has always been speed, and that's one skill that absolutely does not improve with age. The good news for him is that he still gets $21 million+ a year for the next 3 years regardless. He's 33 now. Same age as Brett Gardner. The Brewers move was so interleague play could be done during certain parts of the season, instead of the entire season like we have now, since each league had an even number of teams (16 NL, 14 AL). Also the owner of the Brewers at the time was the acting commissioner, Bud Selig. So the Brewers were getting the short end from the get go. Kansas City was first offered the chance to move to the NL Central, and they declined, and so Bud said, 'that's it, Milwaukee will be moving', and the owners agreed.
Houston's move was to create an even field opportunity to reach the playoffs. With the extra wild card spot, an AL team would have had a better chance of reaching the playoffs since there were two fewer teams compared to the NL. Jim Crane wanted to own a baseball team, and was turned down from owning the Rangers. When the Astros went up for sale, MLB owners told him they would allow him to purchase the franchise, but only if he agrees to move the team.
I understood all of the reasons for moving teams between leagues, it was your last sentence that I didn't know. I still think it would have made much more sense if the Brewers had just moved back to the AL. |
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Post by kersting13 on Oct 24, 2017 15:19:52 GMT -8
On topic of baseball: I see Portland "seems" to have a real shot of garnering one if the expansion teams..OR...is in the discussions about being a relocation destination for one of the struggling franchises. I've got a few questions....like everybody else. Is it better to NOT have a MLB team with OSU being the premier baseball team in the state? Would it shrink home attendance (at Coleman)? Can the state SUPPORT a major league baseball team? That's ahelluvalot of home games.... I would selfishly love it if Portland had an MLB team. I doubt it would affect OSU baseball attendance in any significant way. Can the area support an MLB team? That is another question. You frequently read that Portland is the X largest TV market, or there are Y number of teams in smaller markets than Portland, so going by that measure, you'd think Portland should be able to support a team. But, then you also read that Portland/Oregon has very few large corporate HQs. Portland also suffers from something many other small market teams do not: lack of a regional population to draw from. Metro populations are great, but what about a 2 hour radius from Portland? The only significant population outside of the Portland Metro that is still within 2 hours of Portland is Salem & Eugene. Who are some of the "struggling" franchises? Oakland. Even with splitting the fan base with the Giants, the population within 2 hours of Oakland is WAY more than Portland. The Rays are another team that people list for relocation. Orlando is as close to St. Petersburg as Eugene is to Portland, and WAY bigger. San Diego? Way bigger population. Kansas City might have a similar population to draw from. Miami is relatively isolated. I don't know. You'd have to have a really strong ownership group, or you're the Padres without the population base. I'd still love to see it tried. I would hope having an MLB team would spark some more youth participation in the Portland area. It's noticeable how many little league diamonds have been grown over to make way for soccer fields in the City. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 24, 2017 15:44:26 GMT -8
On topic of baseball: I see Portland "seems" to have a real shot of garnering one if the expansion teams..OR...is in the discussions about being a relocation destination for one of the struggling franchises. I've got a few questions....like everybody else. Is it better to NOT have a MLB team with OSU being the premier baseball team in the state? Would it shrink home attendance (at Coleman)? Can the state SUPPORT a major league baseball team? That's ahelluvalot of home games.... I would selfishly love it if Portland had an MLB team. I doubt it would affect OSU baseball attendance in any significant way. Can the area support an MLB team? That is another question. You frequently read that Portland is the X largest TV market, or there are Y number of teams in smaller markets than Portland, so going by that measure, you'd think Portland should be able to support a team. But, then you also read that Portland/Oregon has very few large corporate HQs. Portland also suffers from something many other small market teams do not: lack of a regional population to draw from. Metro populations are great, but what about a 2 hour radius from Portland? The only significant population outside of the Portland Metro that is still within 2 hours of Portland is Salem & Eugene. Who are some of the "struggling" franchises? Oakland. Even with splitting the fan base with the Giants, the population within 2 hours of Oakland is WAY more than Portland. The Rays are another team that people list for relocation. Orlando is as close to St. Petersburg as Eugene is to Portland, and WAY bigger. San Diego? Way bigger population. Kansas City might have a similar population to draw from. Miami is relatively isolated. I don't know. You'd have to have a really strong ownership group, or you're the Padres without the population base. I'd still love to see it tried. I would hope having an MLB team would spark some more youth participation in the Portland area. It's noticeable how many little league diamonds have been grown over to make way for soccer fields in the City. MLB season tix will be a status thing for a while. And many in the Pdx area will not keep two sets of season tix. Especially since the nice weather games overlap 2+ months. Some might go with some sort of "package" a MLB team offers, but it's crazy to think it'll not effect OSU's attendance. If course some will keep both... prob a lot of those who leave their seats empty already! MLB in Pdx is a ways down the road, so how good OSU is after PC leaves will factor in too. It also factors in to Goss expansion. The new AD's budget had cuts to other sports. PC will have to fundraise more just to keep the status quo. And, season tix are almost sold out, but actual butts in the seat rarely fill Goss until big league series. Until there is a long standing waiting list there will be no big expansion to Goss. It's just not fiscally a wise move of supported financial by the school in anyway. And, if doubt it'll be one of the upper items, if on at all, the new design team's list. |
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