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Post by beavershoopsfan on Oct 10, 2017 9:55:55 GMT -8
Rightfully so, there is a great deal of respect out there for Scott Rueck and what he and his coaching staff have been able to achieve the past three years in Corvallis. Bob Kinder, an avid Stanford fan/supporter, does a surprisingly objective job with informing Cardinal fans what they can expect from the PAC-12 competition in his scouting reports. His recent take on OSU's prospects for the '17-'18 season is accessible in the link below. Kinder seems to believe that Slocum has a chance to play in the upcoming '17-'18 season following her transfer from Maryland. An excerpt on Kinder's analysis: "Predictions: The Beavers return 4 very good players and have a fine recruiting class. However, a huge loss in Wiese and three other very solid players. Of course a year ago we said big losses and then the Beavers win the Pac-12 regular season championship. It’s a question with Slocum, it appears from what I have read she can play immediately. If true then the Beavers will be young but very good." fbcpac10.blogspot.com/2017/10/pac-12-preview-oregon-state.html?showComment=1507657677615#c7417858904212365841 |
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Post by bennyskid on Oct 10, 2017 10:12:39 GMT -8
He has Patricia Morris as a 4-star recruit. I haven't seen that before. I wonder where that came from?
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Post by kersting13 on Oct 10, 2017 12:34:41 GMT -8
Rightfully so, there is a great deal of respect out there for Scott Rueck and what he and his coaching staff have been able to achieve the past three years in Corvallis. Bob Kinder, an avid Stanford fan, does a surprisingly objective job with informing Cardinal fans what they can expect from the PAC-12 competition in his scouting reports. His recent take on OSU's prospects for the '17-'18 season is accessible in the link below. Kinder seems to believe that Slocum has a chance to play in the upcoming '17-'18 season following her transfer from Maryland. An excerpt on Kinder's analysis: "Predictions: The Beavers return 4 very good players and have a fine recruiting class. However, a huge loss in Wiese and three other very solid players. Of course a year ago we said big losses and then the Beavers win the Pac-12 regular season championship. It’s a question with Slocum, it appears from what I have read she can play immediately. If true then the Beavers will be young but very good." fbcpac10.blogspot.com/2017/10/pac-12-preview-oregon-state.html?showComment=1507657677615#c7417858904212365841What's the deal with this "transfer" stuff being eligible to play immediately? It's pretty cut and dried in the football world - sit out a year unless you are dropping down a level, or using the Grad Transfer exception. Then again, I guess it doesn't always work that way - baseball seems to allow immediate eligibility frequently (Mike Stutes among others). It'd be nice to understand what the rules are. |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Oct 10, 2017 14:23:17 GMT -8
Natalie Romeo's situation at the University of Washington last year provides a bit of hope for those players who opt to transfer due to circumstances that don't support the athlete staying at his/her original college. From what I have been able to glean about the Romeo transfer in '16, she supported Connie Yuri, the long-time and often controversial coach at Nebraska, while her Cornhusker teammates complained about how there were being treated (and sworn at) by the coach. By being openly supportive of Yuri during the investigation's interviews and suggesting that her teammates were "immature" for how they were responding to the coach's communication style, the prospect of returning to Nebraska to play alongside her teammates following Yuri's ouster was not a good one for Romeo. The NCAA apparently agreed with those circumstances and allowed Romeo to play last season without sitting out a season. Was Slocum treated similarly at the University of Maryland by head coach Brenda Frese during her freshman season? I do know that Slocum was not the only freshman in Maryland's highly-regarded incoming class last year to opt to transfer to another D1 program after the season was completed. Slocum has been classy in how she has handled the transfer. Absent any extenuating circumstances that reasonably compelled Slocum to seek a transfer, she is required to sit out one season before becoming eligible to compete for the Beavs. www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw-husky-basketball/uw-women-expect-to-learn-natalie-romeos-eligibility-fate-before-season-opener/www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/15140413/connie-yori-resigns-nebraska-cornhuskers-women-basketball-coach |
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Post by 411500 on Oct 10, 2017 14:36:05 GMT -8
vhf - once again, good research, good info !!
With regards to Destiny Slocum I don't think anyone at OSU has said anything about Coach R submitting the required paperwork for immediate eligibility.
Maybe it's done routinely, but I don't think so. In my limited understanding DS would have to make a case similar to "toxic environment" for her transfer to fall into the "special dispensation" category.
At any rate, it should be a piece of cake for anyone at the PAC-12 showcase to ask SR if paperwork has been filed on behalf of Destiny Slocum...
Common sense says if the paperwork for 2017-18 eligibility has been completed someone on this board would sure as hell know about it....
But, if we can lapse into dreamer's world, it would be an absolute gift if she could take the floor at Gill this season.
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Post by blueheron on Oct 12, 2017 12:14:14 GMT -8
Rightfully so, there is a great deal of respect out there for Scott Rueck and what he and his coaching staff have been able to achieve the past three years in Corvallis. Bob Kinder, an avid Stanford fan/supporter, does a surprisingly objective job with informing Cardinal fans what they can expect from the PAC-12 competition in his scouting reports. His recent take on OSU's prospects for the '17-'18 season is accessible in the link below. Kinder seems to believe that Slocum has a chance to play in the upcoming '17-'18 season following her transfer from Maryland. An excerpt on Kinder's analysis: "Predictions: The Beavers return 4 very good players and have a fine recruiting class. However, a huge loss in Wiese and three other very solid players. Of course a year ago we said big losses and then the Beavers win the Pac-12 regular season championship. It’s a question with Slocum, it appears from what I have read she can play immediately. If true then the Beavers will be young but very good." fbcpac10.blogspot.com/2017/10/pac-12-preview-oregon-state.html?showComment=1507657677615#c7417858904212365841"The loss of Sydney Wiese is big, but Slocum is better than Wiese" Uhhh, I can only lol at this. Until proven otherwise. |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Oct 14, 2017 15:27:27 GMT -8
As far as I've heard there is no indication that DS or either of the other two transfers made their decision based on poor treatment from coach Frese. Quite the contrary, they all had positive things to say about her. With some time passing they may change their stories. DS was given a golden opportunity to set up a waiver request when it was reported by Maryland that she was leaving because of an illness in the family. Apparently her mother was sick last year, I never heard what was wrong with her. DS played it down saying that she was fine now and she was transferring to OSU because she feels she fits best here. She went on to say that she would go half way around the world to play on a team if she felt it was best for her. Moving closer to home because of a serious illness in the family is another reason for a waiver. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2017 18:17:40 GMT -8
Rightfully so, there is a great deal of respect out there for Scott Rueck and what he and his coaching staff have been able to achieve the past three years in Corvallis. Bob Kinder, an avid Stanford fan/supporter, does a surprisingly objective job with informing Cardinal fans what they can expect from the PAC-12 competition in his scouting reports. His recent take on OSU's prospects for the '17-'18 season is accessible in the link below. Kinder seems to believe that Slocum has a chance to play in the upcoming '17-'18 season following her transfer from Maryland. An excerpt on Kinder's analysis: "Predictions: The Beavers return 4 very good players and have a fine recruiting class. However, a huge loss in Wiese and three other very solid players. Of course a year ago we said big losses and then the Beavers win the Pac-12 regular season championship. It’s a question with Slocum, it appears from what I have read she can play immediately. If true then the Beavers will be young but very good." fbcpac10.blogspot.com/2017/10/pac-12-preview-oregon-state.html?showComment=1507657677615#c7417858904212365841"The loss of Sydney Wiese is big, but Slocum is better than Wiese" Uhhh, I can only lol at this. Until proven otherwise. As a JUNIOR vs UCONN, Sydney had 13 points and 0 assists. As a FRESHMAN vs UCONN, Destiny had 23 points and 7 assists. Now ... Who do you really want at PG in crunch time? |
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Post by Werebeaver on Oct 14, 2017 19:43:57 GMT -8
"The loss of Sydney Wiese is big, but Slocum is better than Wiese" Uhhh, I can only lol at this. Until proven otherwise. As a JUNIOR vs UCONN, Sydney had 13 points and 0 assists. As a FRESHMAN vs UCONN, Destiny had 23 points and 7 assists. Now ... Who do you really want at PG in crunch time? Sydney played against an undefeated National Championship UConn team. Destiny played against a National Semifinalist UConn team. I hope D.S. surpasses Sydney Wiese's accomplishments at OSU. I honestly do. But D.S. hasn't scored a point for OSU. I look forward to seeing what she can contribute starting in 2018-19. But let's bear in mind that there are countless players who, for any number of reasons, had their best seasons as Freshmen. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2017 20:15:41 GMT -8
As a JUNIOR vs UCONN, Sydney had 13 points and 0 assists. As a FRESHMAN vs UCONN, Destiny had 23 points and 7 assists. Now ... Who do you really want at PG in crunch time? Sydney played against an undefeated National Championship UConn team. Destiny played against a National Semifinalist UConn team. I hope D.S. surpasses Sydney Wiese's accomplishments at OSU. I honestly do. But D.S. hasn't scored a point for OSU. I look forward to seeing what she can contribute starting in 2018-19. But let's bear in mind that there are countless players who, for any number of reasons, had their best seasons as Freshmen. But both UCONN teams were #1 at the time, so both played vs #1 teams. "But let's bear in mind that there are countless players who, for any number of reasons, had their best seasons as Freshmen."Hmmm. That's quite a stretch, isn't it? I'd bet >95% of players had their best years as Sophs, Juniors, or Seniors. If I'm right, then your statement has no merit. And of course I know Destiny hasn't played yet for OSU, but that's not the point. Her history suggests that she will outperform Syd. Of that, there's little doubt. Key word "suggests". I'm not claiming to be clairvoyant. Destiny was National Freshman of the Year. Sydney was nowhere close to that. Comparing freshman to freshman, there's no contest. |
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Post by newduke2 on Oct 15, 2017 6:27:46 GMT -8
Sydney played against an undefeated National Championship UConn team. Destiny played against a National Semifinalist UConn team. I hope D.S. surpasses Sydney Wiese's accomplishments at OSU. I honestly do. But D.S. hasn't scored a point for OSU. I look forward to seeing what she can contribute starting in 2018-19. But let's bear in mind that there are countless players who, for any number of reasons, had their best seasons as Freshmen. But both UCONN teams were #1 at the time, so both played vs #1 teams. "But let's bear in mind that there are countless players who, for any number of reasons, had their best seasons as Freshmen."Hmmm. That's quite a stretch, isn't it? I'd bet >95% of players had their best years as Sophs, Juniors, or Seniors. If I'm right, then your statement has no merit. And of course I know Destiny hasn't played yet for OSU, but that's not the point. Her history suggests that she will outperform Syd. Of that, there's little doubt. Key word "suggests". I'm not claiming to be clairvoyant. Destiny was National Freshman of the Year. Sydney was nowhere close to that. Comparing freshman to freshman, there's no contest. |
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Post by newduke2 on Oct 15, 2017 6:48:26 GMT -8
"Destiny was National Freshman of the Year."
Not to quibble with details, but DS won only 1 of several National Freshman of the Year awards.
Sabrina Ionescu was US Basketball Writers Association (USBWA) Freshman of the Year and ESPNW Freshman of the Year.
DS was WBCA National Freshman of the Year.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Oct 15, 2017 17:49:09 GMT -8
Not all awards are equal. Personally, I put more emphasis on coach voted awards.
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