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Post by beavsaregood on Oct 7, 2017 20:45:33 GMT -8
He's in his 3rd year. To me, no improvements, no identity, personnel f-ups from day 1. No thanks. I've had enough.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 20:46:50 GMT -8
Just no. Gary Andersen is a fraud. I want him gone. Another year of Andersen is another record of 4-8 or worse. Just no. Since 1950: 23 seasons over .500 Who is gonna come in and win instantly? GA has 2 classes In a strange way, I admire your persistence. You have some huevos. You do remind me of myself. I was a staunch Ritchie McKay guy, all the way up until he suspended Brian Jackson in year two. Up until that point, I was the guy on PO singing the lil generals praises.
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Post by damd4lyfe on Oct 7, 2017 20:49:16 GMT -8
Since 1950: 23 seasons over .500 Who is gonna come in and win instantly? GA has 2 classes In a strange way, I admire your persistence. You have some huevos. You do remind me of myself. I was a staunch Ritchie McKay guy, all the way up until he suspended Brian Jackson in year two. Up until that point, I was the guy on PO singing the lil generals praises. Personally I just like to give a guy 4 recruiting classes. I am not all in on GA. I just think people have a misguided context for beaver football and I am as big a fan as any. Never miss a game.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 7, 2017 20:56:14 GMT -8
But, of course you know best. ========================= No, we all know you do. Or think you do. Of course Moos is going to say what he said. Makes his good hire look better. Never said I was an "expert." But facts are facts. Wulff won four games the year before. Leach inherited a very productive QB in Halliday, who fit his system. WSU was a mess. It was not the biggest mess in college football. Ole Miss and Indiana were 1-11 in 2011. Maryland and Kansas were 2-10. You keep acting like the smartest guy in the room, though. When the rest of your family goes to bed, you actually will be. You keep using abstract facts that have no relation to the state of WSU football. Moos didn't say it after the fact so it wasnt 20/20 making himself look good. As you typically do, you just like to argue. You just argue to just argue. I can see why your family goes to bed! Lol Your facts typically are nonsensical to the discussion yet you seem to think it makes you sound intelligent. More than one poster can disagree and call you on your BS, but you blabber away as the expert. It's your MO... so change your avatar again... then keep posting your nonsense... maybe we'll not recognize you! Lol You remind me of the coffee shop "idiot" who thinks the more he talks the smarter people will think he is... on every topic. But... hey keep posting the support posts of GAG and how his trajectory resembles Mike Leach. That's all we need to know of your football savvy. 🤣 By the way... you are "JUST" 😭 a guy. Try to remember that...
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Post by beavsaregood on Oct 7, 2017 21:05:20 GMT -8
So, you giving him five years? Good for you. So far, he's going 0 for 3 years. You're really banking on that 5th year to be somethin' wonderful like a rose bowl or something huuuge...........to make up for the probable previous 4 crap years???
Kudos for you, chief.
No improvement. No thanks.
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Post by beavsaregood on Oct 7, 2017 21:12:41 GMT -8
you going to say, "hey, we're awesome! we're 6-6 after 4 recruiting classes! yay! i always give my coaches 4 recruiting classes before i make judgement.....and hey, i was right! coach a is the shyte! i told you so! we're going to the kraft fight hunger bowl v. utah state! yay!"
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 7, 2017 21:20:28 GMT -8
Damd4lyfe, I generally believe in giving a coach at least four full recruiting cycles to install his system and players. I watched Fertig get his, and every coach since. I defended every one of them, but Fertig, till the end of their eras here, largely because I could see they had an actual plan/vision and I could envision what they were trying to do. This is the first coaching staff I can't figure out what their plan/vision is for next year, maybe even later this season, much less over a period of time.
A coach can bring in a super recruiting class every year, but if they can't come up with a coherent plan and then implement it, the stars won't matter (UCLA has kind of proved that on its own under several coaches the last 15/20 years). This staff has changed styles, lineups and tactics as fast as the wind shifts. I don't see that changing. That said, although I don't think they have a coherent long term vision, I think they are bringing in good kids of decent character. That alone is worth letting them try "the process" because when it's all over and done if it doesn't work out at least the next coaching staff will have good kids to work with.
I suspect this is the first time I've been ambivalent about whether or not we have the same coaching staff just two and a half years in. I'm OK with them staying or being sent packing, but some of the defenses of the staff I've seen in this thread are almost nutty.
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Post by damd4lyfe on Oct 7, 2017 21:34:32 GMT -8
Damd4lyfe, I generally believe in giving a coach at least four full recruiting cycles to install his system and players. I watched Fertig get his, and every coach since. I defended every one of them, but Fertig, till the end of their eras here, largely because I could see they had an actual plan/vision and I could envision what they were trying to do. This is the first coaching staff I can't figure out what their plan/vision is for next year, maybe even later this season, much less over a period of time. A coach can bring in a super recruiting class every year, but if they can't come up with a coherent plan and then implement it, the stars won't matter (UCLA has kind of proved that on its own under several coaches the last 15/20 years). This staff has changed styles, lineups and tactics as fast as the wind shifts. I don't see that changing. That said, although I don't think they have a coherent long term vision, I think they are bringing in good kids of decent character. That alone is worth letting them try "the process" because when it's all over and done if it doesn't work out at least the next coaching staff will have good kids to work with. I suspect this is the first time I've been ambivalent about whether or not we have the same coaching staff just two and a half years in. I'm OK with them staying or being sent packing, but some of the defenses of the staff I've seen in this thread are almost nutty. Fair points, I guess my faith in a new hire is slightly less than giving GA a couple years. Any one know barns history of hiring football coaches?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 7, 2017 22:06:28 GMT -8
Scott Barnes claims to fame in coaching hires are hiring Gary Andersen (and later promoted Matt Wells) at Utah State and Paul Wulff at EWU. Not sure if there are others.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 7, 2017 22:10:31 GMT -8
So... back to the topic. Besides suit"case" as already mentioned. If you're objective there is only one case to be made for GAG...
His buyout is too large for us to fire him without great risk and no guarantees of who'll be available who's interested in the job.
So he (and his agent) did do one thing well so far 😉
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 8, 2017 6:57:15 GMT -8
You keep using abstract facts that have no relation to the state of WSU football. Moos didn't say it after the fact so it wasnt 20/20 making himself look good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> WSU won four games the season before Leach got there. He inherited Connor Halliday, a very productive QB. Those are not "abstract facts."
As you typically do, you just like to argue. You just argue to just argue. I can see why your family goes to bed! Lol
>>>>Actually, I don't. I do have a viewpoint that is often different from yours. And you're super-touchy that everyone doesn't think you're as smart or informed as you think are. I'm hardly the only one here who thinks that.
Your facts typically are nonsensical to the discussion yet you seem to think it makes you sound intelligent. More than one poster can disagree and call you on your BS, but you blabber away as the expert.
>>>>> Again, pot, kettle, black.
It's your MO... so change your avatar again... then keep posting your nonsense... maybe we'll not recognize you! Lol
You remind me of the coffee shop "idiot" who thinks the more he talks the smarter people will think he is... on every topic.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I post considerably fewer times, on fewer threads, than you do. You're on every thread, with a haughty attitude.
But... hey keep posting the support posts of GAG and how his trajectory resembles Mike Leach. That's all we need to know of your football savvy. 🤣
By the way... you are "JUST" 😭 a guy. Try to remember that...
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Our program is a mess. I've never said otherwise. I'm not the one comparing his career at OSU to Leach's at WSU. But as long as GA is the coach, I want him to do as well as possible. And when his bosses hire someone else, I'll want him to do as well as possible too.
SGITR. Ha.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 8, 2017 7:49:19 GMT -8
You keep using abstract facts that have no relation to the state of WSU football. Moos didn't say it after the fact so it wasnt 20/20 making himself look good. >>>>>>>>>>>>> WSU won four games the season before Leach got there. He inherited Connor Halliday, a very productive QB. Those are not "abstract facts." As you typically do, you just like to argue. You just argue to just argue. I can see why your family goes to bed! Lol >>>>Actually, I don't. I do have a viewpoint that is often different from yours. And you're super-touchy that everyone doesn't think you're as smart or informed as you think are. I'm hardly the only one here who thinks that. Your facts typically are nonsensical to the discussion yet you seem to think it makes you sound intelligent. More than one poster can disagree and call you on your BS, but you blabber away as the expert. >>>>> Again, pot, kettle, black. It's your MO... so change your avatar again... then keep posting your nonsense... maybe we'll not recognize you! Lol You remind me of the coffee shop "idiot" who thinks the more he talks the smarter people will think he is... on every topic. >>>>>>>>>>>> I post considerably fewer times, on fewer threads, than you do. You're on every thread, with a haughty attitude. But... hey keep posting the support posts of GAG and how his trajectory resembles Mike Leach. That's all we need to know of your football savvy. 🤣 By the way... you are "JUST" 😭 a guy. Try to remember that... ............................ Our program is a mess. I've never said otherwise. I'm not the one comparing his career at OSU to Leach's at WSU. But as long as GA is the coach, I want him to do as well as possible. And when his bosses hire someone else, I'll want him to do as well as possible too. SGITR. Ha. Last post... as you keep circling with crap that is meaning"less and less". Your very first post in the thread was argumentative on a very subjective statement that tied to Leach's vs GAG's tenures... "Wulff won four games overall and two Pac-12 games his last year. Leach won three anbd one his first year. Leach also inherited a redshirt sophomore named Connor Halliday, who was a pretty good QB. WSU was not good when leach took over but it wasn't the absolute dumpster fire many make it out to be." Not only did you want to argue, you state you know more about the situation than "many"... some of whom were closer to the program. Then further toss out random statements about Moos using that as a way to make the hire look good. Again just more crap to toss hoping it sticks and no one calls you on your BS. Its a message board, "touchy"? LMAO... you really don't pay attention much. It's not touchy to call out a BSer. As far as posting a lot... again no connection to thinking one knows everything. But, "haughty" is an image the reader makes unless confronted with the actual writer. So if my words portray that, it's not intent, but again I can't control interpretation by others. But, I would suggest you read you're own posts. In far far less exchanges you come off as not only arrogant, but.... well, in rereading some of your posts, even more trying make yourself seem knowledgeable about situations you're truly not. Almost politician like...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2017 10:04:06 GMT -8
So... back to the topic. Besides suit"case" as already mentioned. If you're objective there is only one case to be made for GAG... His buyout is too large for us to fire him without great risk and no guarantees of who'll be available who's interested in the job. So he (and his agent) did do one thing well so far 😉 You forgot the team GPA, which isn't a small thing, since, after all, these are student-athletes and OSU is an educational institution.
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Post by thetruebeav on Oct 8, 2017 10:49:42 GMT -8
So... back to the topic. Besides suit"case" as already mentioned. If you're objective there is only one case to be made for GAG... His buyout is too large for us to fire him without great risk and no guarantees of who'll be available who's interested in the job. So he (and his agent) did do one thing well so far 😉 You forgot the team GPA, which isn't a small thing, since, after all, these are student-athletes and OSU is an educational institution. Jimbo... you are correct on the importance of GPA, Preparing our student athletes after sports & teaching them the values of out reach and volunteering. All valuable stuff but WINS & LOSSES are what any coach is judged on unless a huge scandal. I went to Ireland & nothing has changed. A bad product in year 3 regardless. Coach A would even say so. Should have stayed in Dublin drinking Jameson
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 8, 2017 10:56:49 GMT -8
So... back to the topic. Besides suit"case" as already mentioned. If you're objective there is only one case to be made for GAG... His buyout is too large for us to fire him without great risk and no guarantees of who'll be available who's interested in the job. So he (and his agent) did do one thing well so far 😉 You forgot the team GPA, which isn't a small thing, since, after all, these are student-athletes and OSU is an educational institution. That's funny! Oh, you were serious. Never mind.
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