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Post by vhalum92 on Oct 5, 2017 14:16:32 GMT -8
Oh ya.... Les Miles.
Call me crazy but right now... I'd take the Mad Hatter as a H.C. here in Corvallis. How fun would it be to build the best defense in the Pac 12? Just that sneaky offense thing, and he doesn't have the recruiting connections on the west coast.
I'm surprised he hasn't been picked up to coach somewhere. How does that work if he were to be hired to coach at the college level? He gets his new salary and LSU pays the difference? Or with Erickson was that because he went NFL to college when he came here?
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Post by rockybeav on Oct 5, 2017 14:57:04 GMT -8
Oh ya.... Les Miles. Call me crazy but right now... I'd take the Mad Hatter as a H.C. here in Corvallis. How fun would it be to build the best defense in the Pac 12? Just that sneaky offense thing, and he doesn't have the recruiting connections on the west coast. I'm surprised he hasn't been picked up to coach somewhere. How does that work if he were to be hired to coach at the college level? He gets his new salary and LSU pays the difference? Or with Erickson was that because he went NFL to college when he came here? I’m with you, so there’s at least one fan who doesn’t think you’re crazy! I read that his contract has a stipulations n that requires him to make a reasonable effort at securing another job. His age (63) is likely a factor. Personally, he seems to have plenty of fuel in the tank, particularly with a year and a half off. As for recruiting, I feel coaches of all those elite programs have ample connections to California, where OSU draws most of its recruits. Just like west coast programs have connections in Texas and Florida. I imagine we could offer him a scaling contract, that increases once his contract with LSU has ended? Pay him 500k a year but give him a monster budget for recruiting and top notch assistants. Let LSU cover his salary!
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Post by lebaneaver on Oct 5, 2017 21:55:37 GMT -8
A couple questions : Why would Les Miles even remotely consider coming to OSU? Why would a "proven" offensive coordinator? If we're not willing (able) to cut ties with GA, because we lack $$$$, how in hell could we ever pull either of those two things off? How could we successfully lure ANY successful coach to come to Corvallis? 95% of them are "in it for the money," No? When I see someone like Meyer, Saban, Miles, or Knute freakin' Rockne leave their present positions (Rockne from Heaven....I assume) and come to Corvallis for "the challenge," I'll believe anything is possible.
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Post by zebraworks on Oct 6, 2017 0:31:06 GMT -8
A couple questions : Why would Les Miles even remotely consider coming to OSU? Why would a "proven" offensive coordinator? If we're not willing (able) to cut ties with GA, because we lack $$$$, how in hell could we ever pull either of those two things off? How could we successfully lure ANY successful coach to come to Corvallis? 95% of them are "in it for the money," No? When I see someone like Meyer, Saban, Miles, or Knute freakin' Rockne leave their present positions (Rockne from Heaven....I assume) and come to Corvallis for "the challenge," I'll believe anything is possible. Beau Baldwin (as an example) was only making around 500k at EWU. so OSU is a great job for a guy like that being at least 3 to 4x the pay and a P5 school in best conference and Corvallis is so much better to live than most other places as far as family and quality of life
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Post by lebaneaver on Oct 6, 2017 0:49:37 GMT -8
He'd have to be offered the HC position. I don't see him moving laterally from Berkeley to Corvallis. BTW, I certainly think Corvallis is better, but many others disagree. It amazes me how much Corvallis and the rest of the mid Valley has changed in the past fifteen, twenty years. Many of the things that made it better are eroding. JMHO
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Post by bill82 on Oct 6, 2017 3:37:42 GMT -8
Sit GA down. Tell him he will never be a head coach at OSU. Relegate him to defensive line coach. Bring in new HC who humiliates him in the press. How long will he last before quitting? It works when GA does this to his players.
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 6, 2017 6:20:12 GMT -8
Then, if he's not 100% on board with that, hook him up to the rack until he's convinced. We'll have the tallest DC in all of football by the time we're done.
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Post by vhalum92 on Oct 6, 2017 7:17:21 GMT -8
A couple questions : Why would Les Miles even remotely consider coming to OSU? Why would a "proven" offensive coordinator? If we're not willing (able) to cut ties with GA, because we lack $$$$, how in hell could we ever pull either of those two things off? How could we successfully lure ANY successful coach to come to Corvallis? 95% of them are "in it for the money," No? When I see someone like Meyer, Saban, Miles, or Knute freakin' Rockne leave their present positions (Rockne from Heaven....I assume) and come to Corvallis for "the challenge," I'll believe anything is possible. Ok... I will bite. First off... Les Miles got fired. Lumping him in with that other group is your first mistake. Meyer and Saban are employed and competing for the National Championship every year. I will avoid attempting to explain away Rockne. So, the dream and yes it is a dream would be following the Erickson plan. If Les wants to keep coaching, he can 'rebuild' his own resume and use OSU as a stepping stone back into a "bigger named" program. That is why. Believe it or not, some of these guys actually like coaching and the money that come with it. The money is covered mostly by his LSU contract so, our lack of $ is a non factor. That is what I'm calling the "Erickson Plan"! Simple as that.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 6, 2017 7:55:07 GMT -8
If OSU brought in Miles at less than our prevailing head coaching salary we'd probably be sued by LSU. They'd be able to prove we have a prevailing salary in the high 2mil+ range and they'd argue we're using them to pay "our" coach. It'd be a sticky wicket. Back when we got DE on the cheap while he was getting paid by Seattle it wasn't like we were paying him a dollar. We certainly weren't paying him what Seattle paid him, but I think he was getting paid as much or more than Riley was when he left. His Seattle contract did keep us from ponying up what he'd likely to have gotten on the open market at the time. Don't know if LSU would have a leg to stand on, but if they did we'd still be on the hook for two full coaching salaries plus all the legal fees trying to fight it. Miles could go to a small school or a high school and get paid that school's prevailing wage and LSU couldn't raise a fuss with the school. Not sure what they have contracted with Miles as far as making a good faith effort to find work though.
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Post by rockybeav on Oct 6, 2017 8:01:01 GMT -8
A couple questions : Why would Les Miles even remotely consider coming to OSU? Why would a "proven" offensive coordinator? If we're not willing (able) to cut ties with GA, because we lack $$$$, how in hell could we ever pull either of those two things off? How could we successfully lure ANY successful coach to come to Corvallis? 95% of them are "in it for the money," No? When I see someone like Meyer, Saban, Miles, or Knute freakin' Rockne leave their present positions (Rockne from Heaven....I assume) and come to Corvallis for "the challenge," I'll believe anything is possible. 1. He was fired. His age of 63 will preclude him from many opportunities in my opinion. 2. He needs to actively apply and pursue opportunities to receive his payments from LSU, as per his contract. This does not allow him to be as “choosy” as he might be if he were still employed. 3. He was a finalist for Houston and did NOT get the job. That may be a better gig, but it’s not a power 5 conference school. 4. Money will not be an issue as it would typically be, since he has an offset through LSU. He might not want us at all, but crazier things have happened. I’d rather have him than seeing him go to Arizona or UCLA.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 6, 2017 8:36:36 GMT -8
Sit GA down. Tell him he will never be a head coach at OSU. Relegate him to defensive line coach. Bring in new HC who humiliates him in the press. How long will he last before quitting? It works when GA does this to his players. Besides the "vagueness" of the termination with cause language that can be used to negotiate a settlement below the full buyout, as far as I can tell GAG does not have complete control on hiring/firing his staff. So, it may take next year with him as a figure head, but the Admin could actually fire staff and interview/hire a new OC/DC, etc without GAG's approval. That in and of itself may send a message in this off season for him to begin looking elsewhere. However, one of the candidates would most likely have to be "promised" to be the HC in waiting (unless some far superior candidate comes to the forefront) to work in those adversarial conditions. The coaching community can be very tight knit when it comes to offering advice about jobs/situations, so I'm thinking most will hear this is not a place to go/be right now. BUT, coaches are also driven by ego... some so much so they over look a situation like ours as a simple bump in the road that GAG couldn't handle. The right guy(s) are out there... recruiting "ties" can be both a positive and negative and a new guy needs to have the personality and ties to a big time program/coach to get in to his own doors. He then has to be more than a CEO, he needs to BE the x's and o's guy... not just his hired hands. The buck has to stop with him... he has a system/scheme/plan for BOTH sides of the ball and find coaches and players that believe in HIS plan. Unless you are Saban, Meyer the old CEO approach is outdated and will only work at select programs. I you're a Beaver fan... BELIEVE... ... in our university... overall it stands for what we want in an academic/athletic institution. ... in our current players and know they are going through tough/embarrassing times. ... in our Admin to do what is needed to allow overall success throughout the university landscape. (And they're not going anywhere!) GO BEAVS... we are strong... we've persevered through much worse.
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Post by zebraworks on Oct 6, 2017 23:54:42 GMT -8
haha isn't that the plan that GA used on Baldwin here? He's paid pretty high as OC and then viola he collects that salary to coach one receiver position? Not sure if they have changed his pay yet after being demoted from OC?
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Post by nabeav on Oct 7, 2017 4:41:11 GMT -8
They did, almost immediately after the demotion. I believe Dave Baldwin makes about half as much as he did in 2015
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