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Post by grackle on Oct 4, 2017 9:37:56 GMT -8
(part of the following was posted previously [and removed] under another topic).
Among many unfathomables about the Gary Anderson program, the ongoing Hodgins episode also makes no sense and only serves to underline that some, or many(?) elements of CGA's program have obviously gone far off the rails. Moreover, it's crazy to assume that the same group of inept coaches that have taken 2+ years to produce this disaster of a football team are capable of somehow righting the ship.
Given the current situation, Pres. Ray's and AD Barne's statements of full faith and confidence in CGA are, hopefully, primarily for public consumption. Behind the scenes, other wheels are hopefully beginning to turn.
Or maybe not. 'Just heard on this AM's Jim Rome show that there's already enough grumbling at LSU about Ed Ogeron's 1st year program that some are already talking termination. Problem is that apparently he has a $12 million buyout clause so it may be close to impossible, even at LSU, to get rid of the guy in the near future. And that scares heck out of me....if LSU can't handle a $12 million buyout, how in hades are we ever going to be able to rid ourselves of Anderson's death-spiraling program if he has something like an $11 million buyout written into his contract?
Maybe we can't be rid of Anderson's cratered program. Maybe the bad old days (years, decades?) are back again with a vengeance. Isn't there any way out of this?
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Post by hawksea on Oct 4, 2017 9:48:30 GMT -8
A solution is to go out and get a really good OC after this season, and basically give him free reign to do what he pleases. Tell Andersen he isn't allowed to touch the offense at all, but let him be in charge of the defense still. That way he would still be the HC in name, but really just the DC. This will either get Andersen to want to get out, and we can waive the buyout if he leaves, or it would at the very least help our offense.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 4, 2017 10:20:20 GMT -8
A solution is to go out and get a really good OC after this season, and basically give him free reign to do what he pleases. Tell Andersen he isn't allowed to touch the offense at all, but let him be in charge of the defense still. That way he would still be the HC in name, but really just the DC. This will either get Andersen to want to get out, and we can waive the buyout if he leaves, or it would at the very least help our offense. And the OC gets to hire 100% HIS people. I'm not sure Baldwin was afforded that or not. Everyone being on a slightly different page probably isn't helpful. Our O coaches had all crossed paths career-wise at some point, but I'm not sure they all worked together with the kind of success Baldwin had at CSU. |
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Post by hawksea on Oct 4, 2017 10:23:05 GMT -8
A solution is to go out and get a really good OC after this season, and basically give him free reign to do what he pleases. Tell Andersen he isn't allowed to touch the offense at all, but let him be in charge of the defense still. That way he would still be the HC in name, but really just the DC. This will either get Andersen to want to get out, and we can waive the buyout if he leaves, or it would at the very least help our offense. And the OC gets to hire 100% HIS people. I'm not sure Baldwin was afforded that or not. Everyone being on a slightly different page probably isn't helpful. Our O coaches had all crossed paths career-wise at some point, but I'm not sure they all worked together with the kind of success Baldwin had at CSU. Of course. The new OC would be in charge of hiring the new offensive staff and would be given 100% control of anything that has to do with the offense. He would choose the schemes, recruit the players he wants/needs, and do all of the work. He would need to be compensated well, but if whoever we choose does well, they would then become the HC in 2021. If we could steal Beau Baldwin from Cal, that would obviously be something that would be ideal. |
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Post by beaverchew on Oct 4, 2017 10:34:50 GMT -8
Head coach in name only. Isn't that what Barry alverez did to Anderson at Wisconsin?
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Post by hawksea on Oct 4, 2017 10:42:37 GMT -8
Head coach in name only. Isn't that what Barry alverez did to Anderson at Wisconsin? Yep, and it worked for them, so hopefully it can work for us to get rid of him without having to pay him. |
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Post by dK on Oct 4, 2017 11:24:32 GMT -8
A solution is to go out and get a really good OC after this season, and basically give him free reign to do what he pleases. Tell Andersen he isn't allowed to touch the offense at all, but let him be in charge of the defense still. That way he would still be the HC in name, but really just the DC. This will either get Andersen to want to get out, and we can waive the buyout if he leaves, or it would at the very least help our offense. Agree about installing a talented OC but what in the world about the Beaver defense would make you want big boy pants to run it. I think he needs to stay out of way of both OC and DC and spend his time keeping track of players who are not playing in games and why they aren't playing. |
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Post by beaverchew on Oct 4, 2017 11:35:28 GMT -8
Well alverez was actually successful in running off Anderson, what is being proposed in this thread is basically to pay for two head coaches, with Anderson hc in name only. Seems like we would be better off if we paid gca to leave and have one real head coach. Cost the same with a better chance of success.
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 4, 2017 12:38:42 GMT -8
Head coach in name only. Isn't that what Barry alverez did to Anderson at Wisconsin? And Bielima (sp)? |
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 4, 2017 14:51:51 GMT -8
Tell Andersen he isn't allowed to touch the offense at all, but let him be in charge of the defense still. He already doesn't touch the offense (to the point he's pretty clueless about it) and I don't think I'd want him in charge of the defense any more than he already is.
He's made the final call on at least 3 QB decisions... that's "touching" enough to have effectively ruined it for his brief career here. |
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Post by joeavocado on Oct 4, 2017 15:28:27 GMT -8
Bring in Matt Lubick or Mark Helfrich, make them Asst HC and OC, couldn't hurt. They know the PAC-12.
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Post by kersting13 on Oct 4, 2017 15:42:48 GMT -8
He already doesn't touch the offense (to the point he's pretty clueless about it) and I don't think I'd want him in charge of the defense any more than he already is.
He's made the final call on at least 3 QB decisions... that's "touching" enough to have effectively ruined it for his brief career here. I still go back to that McGiven interview in the Tribune from the off-season where he basically says he wants to choose the QB based on actual game performance. It felt like a damning statement that they had been choosing guys based on intangibles or other non-performance criteria. Which would explain a lot. It's just not a very defensible explanation. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 4, 2017 18:39:55 GMT -8
He's made the final call on at least 3 QB decisions... that's "touching" enough to have effectively ruined it for his brief career here. I still go back to that McGiven interview in the Tribune from the off-season where he basically says he wants to choose the QB based on actual game performance. It felt like a damning statement that they had been choosing guys based on intangibles or other non-performance criteria. Which would explain a lot. It's just not a very defensible explanation. I got a kick out of the last game broadcast and a few drives in they were going on about DG having all sorts of intangibles. Heck, we all have intangibles. Doesn't make us quarterbacks. |
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Post by vhalum92 on Oct 5, 2017 8:32:49 GMT -8
When I saw this subject line I was thinking CGA was going to LSU to replace Eddie O. Now that there is a solution.
Someone get on the horn and broker this deal!
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Post by beaver55to7 on Oct 5, 2017 13:44:03 GMT -8
'Just heard on this AM's Jim Rome show that there's already enough grumbling at LSU about Ed Ogeron's 1st year program that some are already talking termination. Problem is that apparently he has a $12 million buyout clause so it may be close to impossible, even at LSU, to get rid of the guy in the near future. And that scares heck out of me....if LSU can't handle a $12 million buyout, how in hades are we ever going to be able to rid ourselves of Anderson's death-spiraling program if he has something like an $11 million buyout written into his contract? LSU's problem is they still owe the Mad Hatter $10 million. They could handle $12 million, but $22 million going to former coaches is going to be a stretch. lol |
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