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Post by seastape on Oct 1, 2017 12:13:56 GMT -8
We have another bye after the October 14th game against Colorado. That's a good time to cut bait on the head coach. It may allow the team to start feeling a little positive about the future. They are still going to get smoked unless Arizona or Arizona State has also quit on their respective coaches at that time. But they may form a stronger bond with the knowledge that the administration has their back. Unfortunately, I think a 1 chance in 20 is too optimistic for Dr. Ray to step up at that time. I'm all for it. I advocated getting rid of him after the WSU game (pending results against WSU). It wasn't just the score yesterday and the complete lack of development from the offense over the course of the season, but several other things, as well, such as the several defensive plays in which the team was looking at the sideline as UW was getting ready to/already snapping the ball and the fact that CGA did not know why one of his players did not play. I'll give kudos to the defense in the game, at least in the first half. There is only so much holding on a defense can take before they need help from the offense. That showing in the first half by the defense was top notch.
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 1, 2017 12:44:18 GMT -8
A lot can happen by then... but the odds are indeed low. It simply won't happen and shouldn't happen. Interim coaches are fool's gold. They are for programs trying to mollify their boosters because the boosters run the show. Maintaining some semblance of order is dignified even when the football team's losing is a disgrace. If you fire a coach midseason you are telling everybody, including recruits, you aren't putting up with this s%#t any longer. I would do it. I would of done it long ago. Nobody expects a win this season. Anderpanties isn't good enough to coach up players or fix any issues. Firing him is only sending a message. that is all you need to do. you need to tell you fans that you as the AD and you as the president will not tolerate this garbage.
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Post by NativeBeav on Oct 1, 2017 12:59:47 GMT -8
It simply won't happen and shouldn't happen. Interim coaches are fool's gold. They are for programs trying to mollify their boosters because the boosters run the show. Maintaining some semblance of order is dignified even when the football team's losing is a disgrace. If you fire a coach midseason you are telling everybody, including recruits, you aren't putting up with this s%#t any longer. I would do it. I would of done it long ago. Nobody expects a win this season. Anderpanties isn't good enough to coach up players or fix any issues. Firing him is only sending a message. that is all you need to do. you need to tell you fans that you as the AD and you as the president will not tolerate this garbage. At least Nebby wasn't afraid to fire someone after their embarrassing loss at home to an inferior team. Not saying by any means that UW is inferior, just that they were willing to take action when the results on the field were unacceptable. Some would argue the target of the firing missed the real target, but it did send a very clear message - losing at home to an inferior opponent will not stand. Good thing for SMR our admin. doesn't take that kind of a stance! But I guess, that is the problem here, isn't it? Side note, I agree with Seastape that the defense was lights out the first half overall. Friends of ours that are husky fans were really nervous at the half.
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 1, 2017 13:09:06 GMT -8
If you fire a coach midseason you are telling everybody, including recruits, you aren't putting up with this s%#t any longer. I would do it. I would of done it long ago. Nobody expects a win this season. Anderpanties isn't good enough to coach up players or fix any issues. Firing him is only sending a message. that is all you need to do. you need to tell you fans that you as the AD and you as the president will not tolerate this garbage. At least Nebby wasn't afraid to fire someone after their embarrassing loss at home to an inferior team. Not saying by any means that UW is inferior, just that they were willing to take action when the results on the field were unacceptable. Some would argue the target of the firing missed the real target, but it did send a very clear message - losing at home to an inferior opponent will not stand. Good thing for SMR our admin. doesn't take that kind of a stance! But I guess, that is the problem here, isn't it? Side note, I agree with Seastape that the defense was lights out the first half overall. Friends of ours that are husky fans were really nervous at the half. and it pays to mention again... it isn't just that we are losing. it is HOW we are losing. it is the indefensible decisions and the head scratchers. California isn't gonna win a ton of games this year, but they look coached and organized and look like a team working towards something. I am pretty sure Justin Wilcox is going to know why a starting WR isn't playing...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 13:34:03 GMT -8
At least Nebby wasn't afraid to fire someone after their embarrassing loss at home to an inferior team. Not saying by any means that UW is inferior, just that they were willing to take action when the results on the field were unacceptable. Some would argue the target of the firing missed the real target, but it did send a very clear message - losing at home to an inferior opponent will not stand. Good thing for SMR our admin. doesn't take that kind of a stance! But I guess, that is the problem here, isn't it? Side note, I agree with Seastape that the defense was lights out the first half overall. Friends of ours that are husky fans were really nervous at the half. and it pays to mention again... it isn't just that we are losing. it is HOW we are losing. it is the indefensible decisions and the head scratchers. California isn't gonna win a ton of games this year, but they look coached and organized and look like a team working towards something. I am pretty sure Justin Wilcox is going to know why a starting WR isn't playing... I think if he isn't fired we are gonna see mass transfers. My thought is that if the decision is made (and frankly it should be already) you make the move, a bye week is a decent time.
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Post by sagebrush on Oct 1, 2017 13:37:40 GMT -8
Pettibone might be available as an interim. Be careful what you ask for, you might get it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 13:40:37 GMT -8
Pettibone might be available as an interim. Be careful what you ask for, you might get it. Is this a defense of keeping Andersen? He is gonna go 1-11, what exactly do we need to be careful about? Hiring someone that would go 0-12? I'll take my chances, frankly 1-11 might as well be 0-12 when the only win was vs. a bad Portland State team that frankly still out played OSU for the majority of that game.
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Post by orangethunder on Oct 1, 2017 15:04:15 GMT -8
The only way this MIGHT happen is if we get some boosters, alumni etc coming forward with the cash . It sounds like somebody did at the end of the Riley era so who knows ? The only other way is if you all and other ticket holders start turning in or trashing their tickets in sight of the administration and AD , withholding donations , making phone calls and sending emails , tweets in a daily barrage . Learn from the #Resistance in the political world, speaking out , making noise works
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Post by beaverdreams on Oct 1, 2017 15:17:01 GMT -8
Pettibone might be available as an interim. Be careful what you ask for, you might get it. I'd take Pettibone over this disaster.....Pettibone wasn't all bad, actually...you could argue he set the table with the talent that Riley started to have some success with. But more importantly, those guys woulda ran through walls for Jerry......I don't get the sense there's a lot of mutual respect between players and coach on this squad.
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Post by nforkbeav on Oct 1, 2017 15:44:15 GMT -8
Pettibone might be available as an interim. Be careful what you ask for, you might get it. I'd take Pettibone over this disaster.....Pettibone wasn't all bad, actually...you could argue he set the table with the talent that Riley started to have some success with. But more importantly, those guys woulda ran through walls for Jerry......I don't get the sense there's a lot of mutual respect between players and coach on this squad. At least Pettibone had an offensive game plan, the know how to run it, and a clear team identity. His teams also played tough defense. He'd be a big upgrade.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 15:54:36 GMT -8
I'd take Pettibone over this disaster.....Pettibone wasn't all bad, actually...you could argue he set the table with the talent that Riley started to have some success with. But more importantly, those guys woulda ran through walls for Jerry......I don't get the sense there's a lot of mutual respect between players and coach on this squad. At least Pettibone had an offensive game plan, the know how to run it, and a clear team identity. His teams also played tough defense. He'd be a big upgrade. Jerry Pettibone a big upgrade? 1991 Oregon State 1–10 1-7 T–9th 1992 Oregon State 1–9–1 0–7–1 10th 1993 Oregon State 4–7 2–6 T–8th 1994 Oregon State 4–7 2–6 T–8th 1995 Oregon State 1–10 0–8 10th 1996 Oregon State 2–9 1–7 10th No. Failure is failure.
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Post by orangeattack on Oct 1, 2017 16:03:15 GMT -8
At least Pettibone had an offensive game plan, the know how to run it, and a clear team identity. His teams also played tough defense. He'd be a big upgrade. Jerry Pettibone a big upgrade? 1991 Oregon State 1–10 1-7 T–9th 1992 Oregon State 1–9–1 0–7–1 10th 1993 Oregon State 4–7 2–6 T–8th 1994 Oregon State 4–7 2–6 T–8th 1995 Oregon State 1–10 0–8 10th 1996 Oregon State 2–9 1–7 10th No. Failure is failure. The bar is so low at "abject failure" that just plain old "failure" IS an upgrade.
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Post by nforkbeav on Oct 1, 2017 18:55:29 GMT -8
At least Pettibone had an offensive game plan, the know how to run it, and a clear team identity. His teams also played tough defense. He'd be a big upgrade. Jerry Pettibone a big upgrade? 1991 Oregon State 1–10 1-7 T–9th 1992 Oregon State 1–9–1 0–7–1 10th 1993 Oregon State 4–7 2–6 T–8th 1994 Oregon State 4–7 2–6 T–8th 1995 Oregon State 1–10 0–8 10th 1996 Oregon State 2–9 1–7 10th No. Failure is failure. The problem is you are comparing the pre-Riley era to the post Riley era. The help Pettibone received from the school in recruiting? A bronze beaver statue the players touched before games, or some kind of statue of the sort, I don't recall exactly. Might have been made of plastic for that matter too. Do you even remember the field we played on back then? The indoor practice facility, valley center, stadium, training facility, and practice fields? Nonexistent. Yes granted the rest of the conference has made huge upgrades in facilities as well over the years, however OSU actually has a lot of recent success to point to when going after recruits. Bowl game wins, two Bilitnikoff winners, All Americans, All Conference players, P12 record holders, several active pro players, etc... Pettibone had nothing, zilch, nada, in both facilities and recent success of any kind to draw upon. Oh, and it rained every single home game back in those days too, so getting recruits to commit while visiting a game with 12,009 people present, if lucky, during a loss was a lot more challenging than now with all the toys our coaches have to show off. JP actually found and got some salty players for both the D and in the trenches with nothing to offer, but his vision. With JP I never questioned what his vision was, or his capability to execute that vision. He was in a no win situation. Without major changes(which came after him) OSU the program was no win program a below .500 program regardless of the coach. Yet he made the most of it. In comparison GA is in a winning situation, OSU is now a plus .500 program and has been for a decade and a half. He's making the least of it with his hires, unclear sense of direction, and the lack of capability to formulate and execute both a short and long term plan for success.
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Post by dK on Oct 1, 2017 20:07:51 GMT -8
I'd take Pettibone over this disaster.....Pettibone wasn't all bad, actually...you could argue he set the table with the talent that Riley started to have some success with. But more importantly, those guys woulda ran through walls for Jerry......I don't get the sense there's a lot of mutual respect between players and coach on this squad. At least Pettibone had an offensive game plan, the know how to run it, and a clear team identity. His teams also played tough defense. He'd be a big upgrade. I would argue that Rocky Long, who was here all but the last JP year, had a good defense. I lobbied at the time to fire JP and hire Long as the head coach. It was depressing how many games we could have won with his defense and an adequate offense.
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Post by snohobeav on Oct 1, 2017 20:46:09 GMT -8
YES, wrong spelling. I just cut n pasted his message. Not from me! Wow. This is depressing. Maybe Ray's autocorrect changed it to Anderson. Even if not, it's not that big of a deal, though it would be nice to spell your highest-paid employee's name right.
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