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Post by shelby on Sept 27, 2017 10:40:38 GMT -8
Yes, as with EVERYTHING, follow the money, Interestingly, I was just watching the ESPN report on this story and the interviewer asked a question that, more or less said, 'are there any more charges coming ?' She responded that this was just the tip of the iceberg, however, her response was directed at the current situation. The question and response should have involved any 'hint' at any 'other' schools, athletes, coaches or Companies besides Adidas ? The problem is that, for any schools, under suspicion - they now have an opportunity to go into cover up and evidence destruction as well as tampering with informants. In my opinion, these and other un-named programs were dirty enough to play this game - they are dirty enough to amp up their game of denial. I 'suspect', that Nike will get touched as well their rather Criminal sponsorship of the pay for play program.
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Post by shelby on Sept 27, 2017 10:42:37 GMT -8
Yes, as with EVERYTHING, follow the money, Interestingly, I was just watching the ESPN report on this story and the interviewer asked a question that, more or less said, 'are there any more charges coming ?' She responded that this was just the tip of the iceberg, however, her response was directed at the current situation. The question and response should have involved any 'hint' at any 'other' schools, athletes, coaches or Companies besides Adidas ? The problem is that, for any schools, under suspicion - they now have an opportunity to go into cover up and evidence destruction as well as tampering with informants. In my opinion, these and other un-named programs were dirty enough to play this game - they are dirty enough to amp up their game of denial. I 'suspect', that Nike will get touched as well their rather Criminal sponsorship of the pay for play program.
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Post by vhalum92 on Sept 27, 2017 12:38:58 GMT -8
Now I know why Beaver Hoops recruiting has missed on so many top recruits.... we aren't paying (I hope).
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 27, 2017 12:40:59 GMT -8
Now I know why Beaver Hoops recruiting has missed on so many top recruits.... we aren't paying (I hope). Oh... we're paying. Just legally... (3) coaches kids!
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Sept 27, 2017 12:49:56 GMT -8
Kudos to Louisville for finally reaching the threshold on the level of unethical behavior that would lead them to "clean house". Sadly that low bar was federal felony levels... A problem that these blue blood programs face (Ped State, Louisville, Kentucky, Baylor, etc.) is they get too hooked on winning, and their fan base/donors/alumni keep ratcheting up (down?) how far they are willing to sell out in order to win. I would much rather have my school mired in mediocrity from a W-L perspective than open up the paper and find out how low our version of JoePa or Pitino were willing to go for those Ws.
Wonder how low AZ and USC are willing to go......
Go Beavers!
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 27, 2017 12:51:26 GMT -8
Kudos to Louisville for finally reaching the threshold on the level of unethical behavior that would lead them to "clean house". Sadly that low bar was federal felony levels... A problem that these blue blood programs face (Ped State, Louisville, Kentucky, Baylor, etc.) is they get too hooked on winning, and their fan base/donors/alumni keep ratcheting up (down?) how far they are willing to sell out in order to win. I would much rather have my school mired in mediocrity from a W-L perspective than open up the paper and find out how low our version of JoePa or Pitino were willing to go for those Ws. Wonder how low AZ and USC are willing to go...... Go Beavers! ^^^^^^^^^^^^ As many thumbs up as possible!
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 27, 2017 13:15:42 GMT -8
It's just starting... could be a very weird season...
"Employees of Nike's EYBL grassroots division, along with documents, have been subpoenaed by FBI in furtherance of investigation," attorney and Forbes contributor Darren Heitner tweeted Wednesday afternoon, citing unidentified sources.
Wondering what the % players in Adidas or Nike youth thru HS programs end up at the same sponsored college?
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Post by joecool on Sept 27, 2017 13:30:20 GMT -8
How much are they sweating in Eugene right now?
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 27, 2017 13:44:15 GMT -8
How much are they sweating in Eugene right now? Well... if "their" athletic department behavior over the last 7 years is any indication they probably have reason. Altman is no Pitino, but after the last few recruiting scandals and cover ups he can ill afford any missteps.
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Post by beaver94 on Sept 27, 2017 14:18:03 GMT -8
It's just starting... could be a very weird season... "Employees of Nike's EYBL grassroots division, along with documents, have been subpoenaed by FBI in furtherance of investigation," attorney and Forbes contributor Darren Heitner tweeted Wednesday afternoon, citing unidentified sources. Wondering what the % players in Adidas or Nike youth thru HS programs end up at the same sponsored college? I read somewhere this morning that one of the adidas guys was previously employed at Nike in their grassroots program. Could be he’s got lots of information that the feds would be interested in.
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Post by lebaneaver on Sept 28, 2017 2:03:44 GMT -8
Familiar name regarding this issue. Head of the NABC...Jim Haney...former schmucks coach. (National Association of Basketball Coaches).
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Post by touchdownbeavers on Sept 28, 2017 5:51:59 GMT -8
If the NCAA wants to give the death penalty to the mens' basketball programs at Louisville, Alabama, Auburn, Oklahoma State, Arizona and USC, forever ban all the coaches involved, as well as all the recruits/current players involved, it would be a clear message to everyone else and would go a long way to cleaning up this sport. The NCAA could call this a "munishment."
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Post by nabeav on Sept 28, 2017 7:51:56 GMT -8
Kudos to Louisville for finally reaching the threshold on the level of unethical behavior that would lead them to "clean house". Sadly that low bar was federal felony levels... A problem that these blue blood programs face (Ped State, Louisville, Kentucky, Baylor, etc.) is they get too hooked on winning, and their fan base/donors/alumni keep ratcheting up (down?) how far they are willing to sell out in order to win. I would much rather have my school mired in mediocrity from a W-L perspective than open up the paper and find out how low our version of JoePa or Pitino were willing to go for those Ws. Wonder how low AZ and USC are willing to go...... Go Beavers! We are putting your point of view to the test in football right now. By all accounts GA has the team going to class, keeping out of trouble, and is doing everything right off the field....it's just that pesky W-L record. While I admire your ethics, I think there's a large swath of (every team's) fans that would be willing to look past the occasional mortgage payment for a mom or a late night bar fight for a few bowl game appearances. I'm not saying this is you, but typically it's a lot easier to take the high road when your team already sucks. It's why there's so many Beaver fans salivating at the thought of the Ducks getting entangled in this. That way we can blame all the losses over the past twenty years on them cheating and us having high moral character rather than us just not being very good.
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Post by beaverinohio on Sept 28, 2017 8:02:42 GMT -8
If the NCAA wants to give the death penalty to the mens' basketball programs at Louisville, Alabama, Auburn, Oklahoma State, Arizona and USC, forever ban all the coaches involved, as well as all the recruits/current players involved, it would be a clear message to everyone else and would go a long way to cleaning up this sport. The NCAA could call this a "munishment." Unless more comes out on Alabama, Auburn, OK. St., Arizona and USC, I don't see them being in jeopardy of the death penalty though I'm sure you'll see some types of sanctions. I think Louisville is a possibility for the death penalty given its past problems and the fact that an assistant coach (or more) was arranging for money to go to a recruit to get him to commit to UL. Auburn because of Pearl and how deeply involved Person's was in all this should be looking at some big NCAA penalties -- as should Miami. From what I've read, the charges around the assistant coaches (or administrator in the case of Alabama) is more about using their relationships with players to direct them to sign with financial advisers/agents and a clothing company. For that I believe they should be banned from coaching in NCAA, but I think it is conceivable that the head coaches nor the programs had knowledge of these coaches lining their pockets in this way. It seems unlikely that Richardson from AZ would go to Miller and say, "hey, just wanted you to know that I'm taking bribes to convince players to sign with a particular management company." Now given that these coaches were sleazy enough to take bribes for that, it wouldn't be surprising if more comes out about other things they did including something like what happened at Louisville and Miami with paying recruits to come to the schools. In that case penalties for the head coaches and more severe penalties for the programs are likely in order. Regardless, it is going to be interesting to see what happens down the line and what new charges might be coming for those already identified and new targets. Everyone has known that college basketball and football has at least had its shady practices and with many programs it goes well beyond shady. I'm very interested in how much more comes out via the FBI's investigation and then how the NCAA handles all this. Successful high school coaches might want to update their resumes because after all the smoke clears there might be a shorter of college coaches.
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Post by bennyskid on Sept 28, 2017 8:23:21 GMT -8
Agreed. We know the most about Chuck Person, and from I've read so far, he was acting entirely in his own interests. Of course, it was in his interest to bring a 5* recruit to Auburn. My bet would be that Auburn will get hit with sanctions for failure to supervise Mr. Person, but more on the line of loss of scholarships and a post-season ban for a year or two.
Louisville seems to be at another level. That's why not only was Pitino put on leave, so was the AD. That school is preparing to throw itself at the mercy of the NCAA. They show every sign of being willing to roll over and give the NCAA anything it wants. I guarantee that the next Lville basketball coach will be the most spit-polished boy scout in the history of college hoops, and their next AD will be either Efrem Zimbalist Jr. or Jack Webb - even if they have to exhume a grave to get him.
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