Post by nabeav on Sept 18, 2017 21:57:59 GMT -8
A little late tonight because meetings and soccer practices precluded me from listening to the show until this evening.
Show started with some talk about Matt Boyd's near no-hitter. He lost it with two outs in the 9th on a ball hit in the gap. A caller says he thought a better, faster right fielder would've made the catch, but I'm not so sure.
I'll let y'all be the judges.
As is typical these days, they try to talk as little about football as possible to start the show, but it's inevitable. They go over how things are bad, but there were some bright spots on Saturday, mostly on the offensive side of the ball. Jon says something along the lines of "I'm not going to argue with anyone who says they're terrible and they're not going to get any better....but on this show we're more rational." That's pretty much it for football talk.
Back to baseball, with an interview with Mitch Canham. He was the California League Manager of the Year as his Single A Mariners affiliate team won the league title. He's been asked to sit in the dugout and work with the major league club for at least the next series, which is pretty awesome. Mitch gives a great interview about his coaching philosophy and his family and how much OSU meant to him and influenced his life. It's a good interview, but the thing that really stuck out to me was him talking about how hard it is to balance spending time with your family and putting in the time and dedication it takes to do your best for the 25 guys whose careers you're responsible for. Really struck home how much he cares about the kids he's coaching. Also, the 06-07 Beaver teams are being inducted into the Oregon Sports Hall of Fame tomorrow night.
There's some talk about Luton's injury (already covered in other threads). Parker is convinced that it should've been flagged and the Wazzu guy should've been tossed because he hit Luton in the head, regardless of situation, part of the body he hit him with, or his intent. I'm not sure that's how the rule is applied, and I wonder what Parker's response to Ugwoegbu's hit on Falk last year was, because watching that hit over again (at the 2:43:10 mark of this video) but as a general rule if I'm not upset about a hit a Beaver made, I can't be upset about a hit a guy made on a Beaver.
After a commercial break, Parker goes into a monologue about Stanford's troubles and how they're getting spotty quarterback play and how we've matched up pretty well with them in past years "when even less was expected."
2016: 15-26
2015: 24-42
2014: 14-38
2013: 12-20
2012: 23-27
2011: 13-38
2010: 0-38
Not sure which of those years less was expected of us, but the only ones remotely close are 2012 and 2013.
DFT calls in, and immediately says that the hit on Luton deserved a flag, and that Oregon State gets screwed over by the Pac-12 by some sort of imaginary double standard. He praises OSU for "playing harder for longer stretches than any other game thus far." He then says he's looking forward to Garretson starting because "through four games, the Luton experiment wasn't working." He then says that the single greatest quarterbacked game of the Gary Andersen era was the Cal game (Garretson was 13-24 for 85 yards and two picks, 10 rushes for 105 and 2 TDs), which basically flies in the face of every statistical measure ever thrown out on this board that says the backup QB at Fresno State was the best quarterback of all time vs. Arizona last year. He goes on to say that he thinks that as long as we can win 3 more games this season, we can come out of this with some momentum and be just fine, and goes so far as to predict a win vs. one of the next four teams (I'm assuming Colorado or Stanford) and two wins vs. the final four teams (Cal, Arizona, ASU, Oregon). DFT might've cost himself some airtime by calling prior to the hour break instead of his usual slot starting the second hour, because Parker cuts him off to get in the final break of the hour.
Hour Two, and no guests are confirmed and apparently nobody's calling - we could get a full hour of Parker and Warren, which means multiple movie references and recollections of Warren's stint coaching 7th grade girls basketball.
Parker starts comparing the WSU game to the Michigan game, in that late mistakes in the first half turned a close game into a blowout. They then talk about how well we played at times in a 29 point loss. I just can't get on board with this line of thinking.
Kevin calls in and is so upbeat you'd think we won. Says the game was "exactly what I thought it'd be." They played great, other than the mistakes and the penalties. A real "other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?" call.
Parker then laments the out of bounds call that went against the Beavs on Artavis Pierce's screen pass. The belief the Beavs are getting actively screwed by the Pac-12 is alive and well in Corvallis. There's then a lamentation of replay in general, and Parker would be OK if it went away entirely....which I'm probably sure he'd be OK with right up until a bad call goes against us that could've been overturned with the assistance of replay. The conversation continues with Parker saying "I'm not saying there's a double standard and OSU is getting screwed," and then goes on to point out the fouls that went against Morris and Moore last week don't square with what happened Saturday.
Jon plays "devil's advocate" explaining why it's not a targeting call. Parker then goes on to say that any contact to the head is a targeting penalty, which is not correct. Here's the targeting rule in it's entirety:
Targeting and Making Forcible Contact to Head
or Neck Area of a Defenseless Player
ARTICLE 4. No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head
or neck area of a defenseless opponent (See
Note 2
below) with the helmet,
forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder. This foul requires that there be at least
one indicator of targeting (See
Note 1
below). When in question, it is a foul
(Rules 2-27-14 and 9-6). (A.R. 9-1-4-I-VI)
Note 1
: “Targeting” means that a player takes aim at an opponent for
purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a
legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball. Some
indicators of targeting
include but are not limited to:
•
Launch—a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an
upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in
the head or neck area
•
A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with
forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet
are still on the ground
•
Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack
with forcible contact at the head or neck area
•
Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with
the crown of the helmet
Note 2:
Defenseless player (Rule 2-27-14).
Examples of defenseless players
include but are not limited to
:
•
A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass.
•
A receiver attempting to catch a forward pass or in position to receive
a backward pass, or one who has completed a catch and has not had
time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier.
•
A kicker in the act of or just after kicking a ball, or during the kick or
the return.
•
A kick returner attempting to catch or recover a kick, or one who has
completed a catch or recovery and has not had time to protect himself
or has not clearly become a ball carrier..
•
A player on the ground.
•
A player obviously out of the play.
•
A player who receives a blind-side block.
•
A ball carrier already in the grasp of an opponent and whose forward
progress has been stopped.
•
A quarterback any time after a change of possession
A ball carrier who has obviously given himself up and is sliding feet-
first.
So to me, the whole crux of the argument is determining if Luton was defenseless at the time of the hit. I tend to agree that he was not defenseless as he was ten yards downfield fighting for a first down.
Parker then plugs the Beaver Sports podcast upcoming on Wednesday which will include a conversation with Dwight Jaynes about how the Beavs going back-to-back in baseball is the greatest achievement in Oregon Sports history.
They then talk about the people going into the Oregon Sports Hall of Fame, including Thurman Bell and Ashton and Brianne Eaton. There will be some sort of tribute to Harry Glickman, and they talk about NFL exhibition games in Portland. Jon tells the story of Terry Baker not being played by the Rams in one of those exhibition games that almost resulted in a riot.
They then go on to recap the 1992 NBA Finals for some reason, and then state we're going to have an interview with a sideline reporter for Washington State to talk about Leach, because apparently we are obsessed with him now.
Jon plays something "Derek the Engineer" put together for the tailgate show before Minnesota with some lines from the movie Fargo. It's this scene, but cut up with Derek asking questions in the place of Frances McDormand. Kinda funny actually. Parker demands they play something with Mike Leach (we're now going to drink every time Parker references Mike Leach or calls him "Oddity.") There's then a full five minutes about how great a guy Mike Leach is off the football field and away from the cameras. I don't know if Parker is angling for Oregon State to make a run at Leach for our next head coach or what, but this is truly puzzling to me that we'd spend so much time talking about him even after the game is over. Maybe it's just because it's a bye week, but man. Warren also mentions that Clay Travis is talking about Leach being a hot commodity across the country for open jobs at the end of the season.
Mike from Salem calls in and says we could be a trap game for the Huskies, but he's thinking we're not competitive, but he sees "another win left" on the schedule. Sounds like 2-10 is the best case scenario for the Beavs. He then shifts talk to Drew Rasmussen's second Tommy John surgery. Parker has no more info, but shifts talk to a New York Times article about something called Driveline I don't know anything about this, but I am going to read this article. There's also a reference to Jacoby Ellsbury breaking the MLB record for catcher's interference drawn - a record previously held by Pete Rose. They then talk about Jacoby hitting better down the stretch and hoping he has an impact on the Yankees postseason.
OH GOD MORE LEACH TALK.
The show ends with Parker talking about his road trip with his wife. Every road, every town - and a brief interlude about "Gunnar from Dufur" who used to call to talk to Dennis Erickson when they did the show in The Headline Cafe.
Drinkable Moments
After Parker gives a lengthy introduction of Mitch Canham, he asks "Mitch, how are things going in your busy life these days?" We're met with an automated voice saying "All circuits are busy. If you'd like to try your call again, please hang up."
DFT opened his call by saying "must be pretty grim times there in Corvallis, but let me assure you people in Lincoln, Nebraska are feeling far worse." Never ceases to amaze me how much pleasure OSU fans get from our rivals or ex-coaches misfortunes. I swear if we put half as much effort into worrying about our own house as we do about the neighbors, we'd have the nicest house on the block.
After the Fargo scene thing, Parker makes sure to say that the Coen Brothers best film is Blood Simple, which I had never heard of. Here's the trailer
During more Leach talk, Warren calls the play call that resulted in the Beavers safety "the dumbest play he'd ever seen." I'm assuming he meant up until that point, because it came before we punted from the 30.
Show started with some talk about Matt Boyd's near no-hitter. He lost it with two outs in the 9th on a ball hit in the gap. A caller says he thought a better, faster right fielder would've made the catch, but I'm not so sure.
I'll let y'all be the judges.
As is typical these days, they try to talk as little about football as possible to start the show, but it's inevitable. They go over how things are bad, but there were some bright spots on Saturday, mostly on the offensive side of the ball. Jon says something along the lines of "I'm not going to argue with anyone who says they're terrible and they're not going to get any better....but on this show we're more rational." That's pretty much it for football talk.
Back to baseball, with an interview with Mitch Canham. He was the California League Manager of the Year as his Single A Mariners affiliate team won the league title. He's been asked to sit in the dugout and work with the major league club for at least the next series, which is pretty awesome. Mitch gives a great interview about his coaching philosophy and his family and how much OSU meant to him and influenced his life. It's a good interview, but the thing that really stuck out to me was him talking about how hard it is to balance spending time with your family and putting in the time and dedication it takes to do your best for the 25 guys whose careers you're responsible for. Really struck home how much he cares about the kids he's coaching. Also, the 06-07 Beaver teams are being inducted into the Oregon Sports Hall of Fame tomorrow night.
There's some talk about Luton's injury (already covered in other threads). Parker is convinced that it should've been flagged and the Wazzu guy should've been tossed because he hit Luton in the head, regardless of situation, part of the body he hit him with, or his intent. I'm not sure that's how the rule is applied, and I wonder what Parker's response to Ugwoegbu's hit on Falk last year was, because watching that hit over again (at the 2:43:10 mark of this video) but as a general rule if I'm not upset about a hit a Beaver made, I can't be upset about a hit a guy made on a Beaver.
After a commercial break, Parker goes into a monologue about Stanford's troubles and how they're getting spotty quarterback play and how we've matched up pretty well with them in past years "when even less was expected."
2016: 15-26
2015: 24-42
2014: 14-38
2013: 12-20
2012: 23-27
2011: 13-38
2010: 0-38
Not sure which of those years less was expected of us, but the only ones remotely close are 2012 and 2013.
DFT calls in, and immediately says that the hit on Luton deserved a flag, and that Oregon State gets screwed over by the Pac-12 by some sort of imaginary double standard. He praises OSU for "playing harder for longer stretches than any other game thus far." He then says he's looking forward to Garretson starting because "through four games, the Luton experiment wasn't working." He then says that the single greatest quarterbacked game of the Gary Andersen era was the Cal game (Garretson was 13-24 for 85 yards and two picks, 10 rushes for 105 and 2 TDs), which basically flies in the face of every statistical measure ever thrown out on this board that says the backup QB at Fresno State was the best quarterback of all time vs. Arizona last year. He goes on to say that he thinks that as long as we can win 3 more games this season, we can come out of this with some momentum and be just fine, and goes so far as to predict a win vs. one of the next four teams (I'm assuming Colorado or Stanford) and two wins vs. the final four teams (Cal, Arizona, ASU, Oregon). DFT might've cost himself some airtime by calling prior to the hour break instead of his usual slot starting the second hour, because Parker cuts him off to get in the final break of the hour.
Hour Two, and no guests are confirmed and apparently nobody's calling - we could get a full hour of Parker and Warren, which means multiple movie references and recollections of Warren's stint coaching 7th grade girls basketball.
Parker starts comparing the WSU game to the Michigan game, in that late mistakes in the first half turned a close game into a blowout. They then talk about how well we played at times in a 29 point loss. I just can't get on board with this line of thinking.
Kevin calls in and is so upbeat you'd think we won. Says the game was "exactly what I thought it'd be." They played great, other than the mistakes and the penalties. A real "other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?" call.
Parker then laments the out of bounds call that went against the Beavs on Artavis Pierce's screen pass. The belief the Beavs are getting actively screwed by the Pac-12 is alive and well in Corvallis. There's then a lamentation of replay in general, and Parker would be OK if it went away entirely....which I'm probably sure he'd be OK with right up until a bad call goes against us that could've been overturned with the assistance of replay. The conversation continues with Parker saying "I'm not saying there's a double standard and OSU is getting screwed," and then goes on to point out the fouls that went against Morris and Moore last week don't square with what happened Saturday.
Jon plays "devil's advocate" explaining why it's not a targeting call. Parker then goes on to say that any contact to the head is a targeting penalty, which is not correct. Here's the targeting rule in it's entirety:
Targeting and Making Forcible Contact to Head
or Neck Area of a Defenseless Player
ARTICLE 4. No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head
or neck area of a defenseless opponent (See
Note 2
below) with the helmet,
forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder. This foul requires that there be at least
one indicator of targeting (See
Note 1
below). When in question, it is a foul
(Rules 2-27-14 and 9-6). (A.R. 9-1-4-I-VI)
Note 1
: “Targeting” means that a player takes aim at an opponent for
purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a
legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball. Some
indicators of targeting
include but are not limited to:
•
Launch—a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an
upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in
the head or neck area
•
A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with
forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet
are still on the ground
•
Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack
with forcible contact at the head or neck area
•
Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with
the crown of the helmet
Note 2:
Defenseless player (Rule 2-27-14).
Examples of defenseless players
include but are not limited to
:
•
A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass.
•
A receiver attempting to catch a forward pass or in position to receive
a backward pass, or one who has completed a catch and has not had
time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier.
•
A kicker in the act of or just after kicking a ball, or during the kick or
the return.
•
A kick returner attempting to catch or recover a kick, or one who has
completed a catch or recovery and has not had time to protect himself
or has not clearly become a ball carrier..
•
A player on the ground.
•
A player obviously out of the play.
•
A player who receives a blind-side block.
•
A ball carrier already in the grasp of an opponent and whose forward
progress has been stopped.
•
A quarterback any time after a change of possession
A ball carrier who has obviously given himself up and is sliding feet-
first.
So to me, the whole crux of the argument is determining if Luton was defenseless at the time of the hit. I tend to agree that he was not defenseless as he was ten yards downfield fighting for a first down.
Parker then plugs the Beaver Sports podcast upcoming on Wednesday which will include a conversation with Dwight Jaynes about how the Beavs going back-to-back in baseball is the greatest achievement in Oregon Sports history.
They then talk about the people going into the Oregon Sports Hall of Fame, including Thurman Bell and Ashton and Brianne Eaton. There will be some sort of tribute to Harry Glickman, and they talk about NFL exhibition games in Portland. Jon tells the story of Terry Baker not being played by the Rams in one of those exhibition games that almost resulted in a riot.
They then go on to recap the 1992 NBA Finals for some reason, and then state we're going to have an interview with a sideline reporter for Washington State to talk about Leach, because apparently we are obsessed with him now.
Jon plays something "Derek the Engineer" put together for the tailgate show before Minnesota with some lines from the movie Fargo. It's this scene, but cut up with Derek asking questions in the place of Frances McDormand. Kinda funny actually. Parker demands they play something with Mike Leach (we're now going to drink every time Parker references Mike Leach or calls him "Oddity.") There's then a full five minutes about how great a guy Mike Leach is off the football field and away from the cameras. I don't know if Parker is angling for Oregon State to make a run at Leach for our next head coach or what, but this is truly puzzling to me that we'd spend so much time talking about him even after the game is over. Maybe it's just because it's a bye week, but man. Warren also mentions that Clay Travis is talking about Leach being a hot commodity across the country for open jobs at the end of the season.
Mike from Salem calls in and says we could be a trap game for the Huskies, but he's thinking we're not competitive, but he sees "another win left" on the schedule. Sounds like 2-10 is the best case scenario for the Beavs. He then shifts talk to Drew Rasmussen's second Tommy John surgery. Parker has no more info, but shifts talk to a New York Times article about something called Driveline I don't know anything about this, but I am going to read this article. There's also a reference to Jacoby Ellsbury breaking the MLB record for catcher's interference drawn - a record previously held by Pete Rose. They then talk about Jacoby hitting better down the stretch and hoping he has an impact on the Yankees postseason.
OH GOD MORE LEACH TALK.
The show ends with Parker talking about his road trip with his wife. Every road, every town - and a brief interlude about "Gunnar from Dufur" who used to call to talk to Dennis Erickson when they did the show in The Headline Cafe.
Drinkable Moments
After Parker gives a lengthy introduction of Mitch Canham, he asks "Mitch, how are things going in your busy life these days?" We're met with an automated voice saying "All circuits are busy. If you'd like to try your call again, please hang up."
DFT opened his call by saying "must be pretty grim times there in Corvallis, but let me assure you people in Lincoln, Nebraska are feeling far worse." Never ceases to amaze me how much pleasure OSU fans get from our rivals or ex-coaches misfortunes. I swear if we put half as much effort into worrying about our own house as we do about the neighbors, we'd have the nicest house on the block.
After the Fargo scene thing, Parker makes sure to say that the Coen Brothers best film is Blood Simple, which I had never heard of. Here's the trailer
During more Leach talk, Warren calls the play call that resulted in the Beavers safety "the dumbest play he'd ever seen." I'm assuming he meant up until that point, because it came before we punted from the 30.
