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Post by seastape on Sept 18, 2017 11:04:54 GMT -8
Hasn't the Oregonian had a few articles in the past two years that discussed how much better CGA is doing at recruiting than Riley?
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Post by beaverintheberg on Sept 18, 2017 11:13:58 GMT -8
Sometimes recruits come to a program because they want to be apart of a specific academic program at the school or they just like the feel of the campus or community. Sometimes the coach has nothing to do with them chasing their university besides maybe setting up an unofficial or official visit. There is no way to really tell "who the better recruiter" is without knowing all of the facts of the situation. Would Isaac Seumalo have come to Oregon State if his dad isn't on the staff? Quiz if James wasn't here? We can't say for sure. I will share a personal story. I have a family member who truthfully was one of the best prospects in Oregon a little more than a few years ago. Univ of Oregon was in the top 5 in the country and Oregon State was struggling, bad! He was being recruiting by Oregon State very early (Locey was checking in a lot) his sop/jr year. Then his senior season (best season he had) Oregon State backed off. He and I still went down for a visit and one of the coaches at the time (Coach Beck) said to a room of recruits (from all over; Cali, Washington, Oregon including my family member) something to the extent of "this may or may not be the place for you. You should get out there and check out places to make sure" (not a direct quote but that was the premise. Within the week, my family member was offered by #2 in the country Oregon and he went on to play for them. That approach was a common one for Riley and his staff. Now, I don't like pushy salesmen but for god's sake, don't drive kids away! That comes off as, "we don't really need you" to some people, I could see that being interpreted that way by an impressionable 17-18 year old kid. You need to absolutely be able to sell your program if you want to compete in recruiting! Go Beavs! Wow, that is scary weak salesmanship.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 18, 2017 11:56:59 GMT -8
Hasn't the Oregonian had a few articles in the past two years that discussed how much better CGA is doing at recruiting than Riley? No real articles with actual evidence that I can recall, but Nemec has made that statement several times. I was thinking he's a big boy pants fanboy for quite a while. It's going to take a couple years and the gift of hindsight to really say who is/was the better recruiter here.
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Post by messi on Sept 18, 2017 12:39:51 GMT -8
Sometimes recruits come to a program because they want to be apart of a specific academic program at the school or they just like the feel of the campus or community. Sometimes the coach has nothing to do with them chasing their university besides maybe setting up an unofficial or official visit. There is no way to really tell "who the better recruiter" is without knowing all of the facts of the situation. Would Isaac Seumalo have come to Oregon State if his dad isn't on the staff? Quiz if James wasn't here? We can't say for sure. I will share a personal story. I have a family member who truthfully was one of the best prospects in Oregon a little more than a few years ago. Univ of Oregon was in the top 5 in the country and Oregon State was struggling, bad! He was being recruiting by Oregon State very early (Locey was checking in a lot) his sop/jr year. Then his senior season (best season he had) Oregon State backed off. He and I still went down for a visit and one of the coaches at the time (Coach Beck) said to a room of recruits (from all over; Cali, Washington, Oregon including my family member) something to the extent of "this may or may not be the place for you. You should get out there and check out places to make sure" (not a direct quote but that was the premise. Within the week, my family member was offered by #2 in the country Oregon and he went on to play for them. That approach was a common one for Riley and his staff. Now, I don't like pushy salesmen but for god's sake, don't drive kids away! That comes off as, "we don't really need you" to some people, I could see that being interpreted that way by an impressionable 17-18 year old kid. You need to absolutely be able to sell your program if you want to compete in recruiting! Go Beavs! Wow. Did you ever find out why OSU backed off so late?
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Post by nabeav on Sept 18, 2017 12:42:46 GMT -8
Hasn't the Oregonian had a few articles in the past two years that discussed how much better CGA is doing at recruiting than Riley? No real articles with actual evidence that I can recall, but Nemec has made that statement several times. I was thinking he's a big boy pants fanboy for quite a while. It's going to take a couple years and the gift of hindsight to really say who is/was the better recruiter here. Nemec is a big fan of anyone when it serves him. I'm sure if and when Gary leaves Oregon State, he'll come out with a hit piece detailing all the reasons why he wasn't a good recruiter.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 18, 2017 13:32:40 GMT -8
Sometimes recruits come to a program because they want to be apart of a specific academic program at the school or they just like the feel of the campus or community. Sometimes the coach has nothing to do with them chasing their university besides maybe setting up an unofficial or official visit. There is no way to really tell "who the better recruiter" is without knowing all of the facts of the situation. Would Isaac Seumalo have come to Oregon State if his dad isn't on the staff? Quiz if James wasn't here? We can't say for sure. I will share a personal story. I have a family member who truthfully was one of the best prospects in Oregon a little more than a few years ago. Univ of Oregon was in the top 5 in the country and Oregon State was struggling, bad! He was being recruiting by Oregon State very early (Locey was checking in a lot) his sop/jr year. Then his senior season (best season he had) Oregon State backed off. He and I still went down for a visit and one of the coaches at the time (Coach Beck) said to a room of recruits (from all over; Cali, Washington, Oregon including my family member) something to the extent of "this may or may not be the place for you. You should get out there and check out places to make sure" (not a direct quote but that was the premise. Within the week, my family member was offered by #2 in the country Oregon and he went on to play for them. That approach was a common one for Riley and his staff. Now, I don't like pushy salesmen but for god's sake, don't drive kids away! That comes off as, "we don't really need you" to some people, I could see that being interpreted that way by an impressionable 17-18 year old kid. You need to absolutely be able to sell your program if you want to compete in recruiting! Go Beavs! The only year that Oregon was rated #2 was 2012, when Oregon State finished #20. That does not seem likely. You are probably referring to 2010, when Oregon finished #3 (lost to Auburn in the NC game), and Oregon State finished 5-7. In 2011, the three Oregon recruits were Tyson Coleman, James Euscher, and Colt Lyerla. Oregon State offered all three. Coleman red-shirted in 2011, played mostly ST in 2012, started two games in 2013, and then started all 28 games in 2014 and 2015. He went undrafted in the 2016 NFL draft. Tampa Bay signed him in 2016, but he is an unsigned free agent right now. Euscher red-shirted in 2011 and played 2012 as a backup, medically retiring during the 2013 season after not playing a snap in 2013. Colt Lyerla primarily played tight end at Oregon in 2011 as a backup and started nine games in 2012. In 2013, he tweeted that the Sandy Hook shooting was a government conspiracy to attack the Second Amendment. He started the first two games before "missing" the Tennessee game and was suspended for the Colorado game. He quit the team the next day. He plead guilty to unlawful possession of cocaine. He was not drafted but was signed to an UDFA agreement with Green Bay. He tore multiple ligaments in his knee at a practice in Green Bay and was placed on IR. Five weeks later, he was arrested for driving under the influence of drugs. Green Bay waived him. He played in the AFL for Arizona and Portland. On August 28, 2016, he was arrested for possession of heroin and ultimately plead guilty to first- and second-degree forgery and was sentenced to six months in prison. He escaped from prison and overdosed, which led to his re-arrest.
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Post by gobeavs92 on Sept 18, 2017 13:46:36 GMT -8
Sometimes recruits come to a program because they want to be apart of a specific academic program at the school or they just like the feel of the campus or community. Sometimes the coach has nothing to do with them chasing their university besides maybe setting up an unofficial or official visit. There is no way to really tell "who the better recruiter" is without knowing all of the facts of the situation. Would Isaac Seumalo have come to Oregon State if his dad isn't on the staff? Quiz if James wasn't here? We can't say for sure. I will share a personal story. I have a family member who truthfully was one of the best prospects in Oregon a little more than a few years ago. Univ of Oregon was in the top 5 in the country and Oregon State was struggling, bad! He was being recruiting by Oregon State very early (Locey was checking in a lot) his sop/jr year. Then his senior season (best season he had) Oregon State backed off. He and I still went down for a visit and one of the coaches at the time (Coach Beck) said to a room of recruits (from all over; Cali, Washington, Oregon including my family member) something to the extent of "this may or may not be the place for you. You should get out there and check out places to make sure" (not a direct quote but that was the premise. Within the week, my family member was offered by #2 in the country Oregon and he went on to play for them. That approach was a common one for Riley and his staff. Now, I don't like pushy salesmen but for god's sake, don't drive kids away! That comes off as, "we don't really need you" to some people, I could see that being interpreted that way by an impressionable 17-18 year old kid. You need to absolutely be able to sell your program if you want to compete in recruiting! Go Beavs! The only year that Oregon was rated #2 was 2012, when Oregon State finished #20. That does not seem likely. You are probably referring to 2010, when Oregon finished #3 (lost to Auburn in the NC game), and Oregon State finished 5-7. In 2011, the three Oregon recruits were Tyson Coleman, James Euscher, and Colt Lyerla. Oregon State offered all three. Coleman red-shirted in 2011, played mostly ST in 2012, started two games in 2013, and then started all 28 games in 2014 and 2015. He went undrafted in the 2016 NFL draft. Tampa Bay signed him in 2016, but he is an unsigned free agent right now. Euscher red-shirted in 2011 and played 2012 as a backup, medically retiring during the 2013 season after not playing a snap in 2013. Colt Lyerla primarily played tight end at Oregon in 2011 as a backup and started nine games in 2012. In 2013, he tweeted that the Sandy Hook shooting was a government conspiracy to attack the Second Amendment. He started the first two games before "missing" the Tennessee game and was suspended for the Colorado game. He quit the team the next day. He plead guilty to unlawful possession of cocaine. He was not drafted but was signed to an UDFA agreement with Green Bay. He tore multiple ligaments in his knee at a practice in Green Bay and was placed on IR. Five weeks later, he was arrested for driving under the influence of drugs. Green Bay waived him. He played in the AFL for Arizona and Portland. On August 28, 2016, he was arrested for possession of heroin and ultimately plead guilty to first- and second-degree forgery and was sentenced to six months in prison. He escaped from prison and overdosed, which led to his re-arrest. "Oregon State offered all three". This is incorrect! Go Beavs!
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Post by gobeavs92 on Sept 18, 2017 13:47:31 GMT -8
Sometimes recruits come to a program because they want to be apart of a specific academic program at the school or they just like the feel of the campus or community. Sometimes the coach has nothing to do with them chasing their university besides maybe setting up an unofficial or official visit. There is no way to really tell "who the better recruiter" is without knowing all of the facts of the situation. Would Isaac Seumalo have come to Oregon State if his dad isn't on the staff? Quiz if James wasn't here? We can't say for sure. I will share a personal story. I have a family member who truthfully was one of the best prospects in Oregon a little more than a few years ago. Univ of Oregon was in the top 5 in the country and Oregon State was struggling, bad! He was being recruiting by Oregon State very early (Locey was checking in a lot) his sop/jr year. Then his senior season (best season he had) Oregon State backed off. He and I still went down for a visit and one of the coaches at the time (Coach Beck) said to a room of recruits (from all over; Cali, Washington, Oregon including my family member) something to the extent of "this may or may not be the place for you. You should get out there and check out places to make sure" (not a direct quote but that was the premise. Within the week, my family member was offered by #2 in the country Oregon and he went on to play for them. That approach was a common one for Riley and his staff. Now, I don't like pushy salesmen but for god's sake, don't drive kids away! That comes off as, "we don't really need you" to some people, I could see that being interpreted that way by an impressionable 17-18 year old kid. You need to absolutely be able to sell your program if you want to compete in recruiting! Go Beavs! Wow. Did you ever find out why OSU backed off so late? Nope! And the Beavs have always needed people at that position! Go Beavs!
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Post by TheGlove on Sept 18, 2017 14:10:02 GMT -8
The only year that Oregon was rated #2 was 2012, when Oregon State finished #20. That does not seem likely. You are probably referring to 2010, when Oregon finished #3 (lost to Auburn in the NC game), and Oregon State finished 5-7. In 2011, the three Oregon recruits were Tyson Coleman, James Euscher, and Colt Lyerla. Oregon State offered all three. Coleman red-shirted in 2011, played mostly ST in 2012, started two games in 2013, and then started all 28 games in 2014 and 2015. He went undrafted in the 2016 NFL draft. Tampa Bay signed him in 2016, but he is an unsigned free agent right now. Euscher red-shirted in 2011 and played 2012 as a backup, medically retiring during the 2013 season after not playing a snap in 2013. Colt Lyerla primarily played tight end at Oregon in 2011 as a backup and started nine games in 2012. In 2013, he tweeted that the Sandy Hook shooting was a government conspiracy to attack the Second Amendment. He started the first two games before "missing" the Tennessee game and was suspended for the Colorado game. He quit the team the next day. He plead guilty to unlawful possession of cocaine. He was not drafted but was signed to an UDFA agreement with Green Bay. He tore multiple ligaments in his knee at a practice in Green Bay and was placed on IR. Five weeks later, he was arrested for driving under the influence of drugs. Green Bay waived him. He played in the AFL for Arizona and Portland. On August 28, 2016, he was arrested for possession of heroin and ultimately plead guilty to first- and second-degree forgery and was sentenced to six months in prison. He escaped from prison and overdosed, which led to his re-arrest. "Oregon State offered all three". This is incorrect! Go Beavs! from the oregonian: So must have been James Euscher. No offer from OSU for a top in-state O-line prospect. No offer could have been because we were too full of OL at the time? Too bad he had to medically retire.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Sept 18, 2017 14:46:31 GMT -8
The O concludes (after a long and tortuously presented "analysis") that "....Riley recruited at a slightly better clip than Andersen has thus far." Big surprise (hardly). So not only is his staff's game preparation and in-game coaching painfully inept, to me it seems pretty clear that CGA's recruiting program is currently close to circling the drain as well. My question is this: Yeah, it would be expensive to dump CGA in the (very) near future. But in the grand scheme of things, can we afford NOT to fire him (like maybe even now)? The long term damage this guy's presence is doing to the FB program as well as to OSU's reputation in general will, IMO, cost us far more than the bill for cutting our losses much sooner than later. see: www.oregonlive.com/recruiting/index.ssf/2017/09/oregon_state_beavers_football_9.html#incart_river_indexThe CGA flop will hamstring us for years. But at somepoint you gotta cut bait and cast again. I would be absolutely stunned if 35K show up next home game. Stunned. We simply cannot afford to keep paying this money and have this level of results. We cannot do it. I have made the joke to a huge number of people, but if the OSU AD is listening, here is my offer "I will lose the same amount of games as CGA for half the price. Call me." In my opinion, our best option is to fire him ASAP. Let Baldwin be the interim. Them we find the best, hottest D-1 OC or DC we can find that will come here for an incentive laden, low contract. We need a person willing to come coach OSU for like, $1.3 - $1.5 million with a bunch of win games, get money contract items. The key to the next guy is young, exciting, energetic and connects with kids. We have to save recruiting, save our current players and get a PR boost for this program. The longer we sit here and let him fail, over and over again, the more damage we do. the AD has to take a stand and say 7-21 is not acceptable. We then cross our fingers while we continue to pay for two HCs at the same time and hope we capture a gem in the making. I personally don't believe that, I think there is enough talent on this team to be respectable/bowl worthy.
We just need to find the right coach that can utilize that talent, implement the right system, and get the kids on board.
I don't know who that is, be it Smith, or Baldwin, but I think OSU has the talent to play in a bowl game next year even if it goes 1-11 this year.
Hell, right now give me Rocky Long. Not sure his style would work at OSU, he'd be a better fit at Stanford, but the kids sure do sell out for him.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 18, 2017 15:28:32 GMT -8
"Oregon State offered all three". This is incorrect! Go Beavs! from the oregonian: So must have been James Euscher. No offer from OSU for a top in-state O-line prospect. No offer could have been because we were too full of OL at the time? Too bad he had to medically retire. Depth chart at the time: Former walk-on Mike Remmers. By that time, Remmers was on scholarship and a senior. All-Pac 12 Conference honorable mention and a Burlsworth Trophy finalist. Remmers started every game from the 2008 Washington game to the 2011 Oregon game. At the time, sixth all-time in starts. Remmers played with the Broncos, Bucs, Chargers, Vikings, and Panthers. He just signed a $30 million contract with the Vikings six months ago. Junior Colin Kelly. Kelly started every game in 2011 and 2012. Kelly signed with the Chiefs but suffered a knee injury in July 2013. The Chiefs released in Kelly. Kelly signed with the Ottawa Redblacks and led them to the Grey Cup, which they lost to the Edmonton Eskimos 26-20. Kelly then spent some time with the 49ers, Bears, and Jaguars . Kelly is back in the CFL with Edmonton. The Eskimos are currently 7-5. Junior Michael Philipp. Philipp started all 13 games in 2009, finishing as a freshman All-American. He played nine games in 2010 due to a broken nose and an ankle injury. (Oregon State went 4-4 with Philipp, 1-3 without.) Philipp injured his knee in fall camp in 2011 and redshirted. Philipp started every game in 2012 and 2013. Philipp was third all-time in starts with 48. Philipp played with Dolphins, Browns, and 49ers. He now works with Mike Cavanaugh at Nebraska. Sophomore Grant Enger. Enger was the back-up tackle in 2011 but moved to LG, when Josh Andrews was injured against Wisconsin. Enger started 9 games at guard (5 at LG and 4 at RG). Enger started 12 games at RG in 2012, missing the California game due to a knee injury. Enger started the first two games at RT in 2013 and then was injured. He returned to start the final eight games as RG. Freshman and walk-on Derek Nielsen. Nielsen did not play in 2011 but started two games as LG in 2012. Nielsen wound up 2012 playing LT, LG, C, and RG. He transferred at the end of 2012 to try and get a scholarship. Oregon State had three OL recruits in 2011: Justin Addie, Akeem Gonzales, and Darryl Jackson. Addie played in three games in 2012 and 2013 before medically retiring. Gonzales redshirted in 2011 and moved to the defense. He played in six games over 2012 and 2013 before quitting the team. Jackson chose Oregon State over UCLA, San Diego State, Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah. He was touted as the "tackle of the future" but medically retired due to complications from hip surgery. Jackson never played a game. Oregon State had eight OL recruits in 2012, including Gavin Andrews, Grant Bays, Josh Mitchell, Isaac Seumalo, and Garrett Weinreich. Oregon State had two OL recruits in 2013: Sean Harlow and Fred Lauina.
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Post by gobeavs92 on Sept 18, 2017 16:18:01 GMT -8
from the oregonian: So must have been James Euscher. No offer from OSU for a top in-state O-line prospect. No offer could have been because we were too full of OL at the time? Too bad he had to medically retire. Depth chart at the time: Former walk-on Mike Remmers. By that time, Remmers was on scholarship and a senior. All-Pac 12 Conference honorable mention and a Burlsworth Trophy finalist. Remmers started every game from the 2008 Washington game to the 2011 Oregon game. At the time, sixth all-time in starts. Remmers played with the Broncos, Bucs, Chargers, Vikings, and Panthers. He just signed a $30 million contract with the Vikings six months ago. Junior Colin Kelly. Kelly started every game in 2011 and 2012. Kelly signed with the Chiefs but suffered a knee injury in July 2013. The Chiefs released in Kelly. Kelly signed with the Ottawa Redblacks and led them to the Grey Cup, which they lost to the Edmonton Eskimos 26-20. Kelly then spent some time with the 49ers, Bears, and Jaguars . Kelly is back in the CFL with Edmonton. The Eskimos are currently 7-5. Junior Michael Philipp. Philipp started all 13 games in 2009, finishing as a freshman All-American. He played nine games in 2010 due to a broken nose and an ankle injury. (Oregon State went 4-4 with Philipp, 1-3 without.) Philipp injured his knee in fall camp in 2011 and redshirted. Philipp started every game in 2012 and 2013. Philipp was third all-time in starts with 48. Philipp played with Dolphins, Browns, and 49ers. He now works with Mike Cavanaugh at Nebraska. Sophomore Grant Enger. Enger was the back-up tackle in 2011 but moved to LG, when Josh Andrews was injured against Wisconsin. Enger started 9 games at guard (5 at LG and 4 at RG). Enger started 12 games at RG in 2012, missing the California game due to a knee injury. Enger started the first two games at RT in 2013 and then was injured. He returned to start the final eight games as RG. Freshman and walk-on Derek Nielsen. Nielsen did not play in 2011 but started two games as LG in 2012. Nielsen wound up 2012 playing LT, LG, C, and RG. He transferred at the end of 2012 to try and get a scholarship. Oregon State had three OL recruits in 2011: Justin Addie, Akeem Gonzales, and Darryl Jackson. Addie played in three games in 2012 and 2013 before medically retiring. Gonzales redshirted in 2011 and moved to the defense. He played in six games over 2012 and 2013 before quitting the team. Jackson chose Oregon State over UCLA, San Diego State, Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah. He was touted as the "tackle of the future" but medically retired due to complications from hip surgery. Jackson never played a game. Oregon State had eight OL recruits in 2012, including Gavin Andrews, Grant Bays, Josh Mitchell, Isaac Seumalo, and Garrett Weinreich. Oregon State had two OL recruits in 2013: Sean Harlow and Fred Lauina. What's your point? Because my whole point was the fact that they told a whole room full of recruits that they basically should check out a bunch of spots (other colleges) and pick what's best for them. I was there! And I have heard these same things from many other sources! Go Beavs!
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Post by lebaneaver on Sept 18, 2017 17:43:02 GMT -8
This caption falls under the category, "No s%#t, Sherlock." Those little "o" "journalists" are simply brrrrrilliant!
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Sept 18, 2017 18:26:40 GMT -8
I don't know why any OSU fan would ever buy or even read that s#*% sheet. And clicking on their link is just as bad. They have strong anti OSU slant that they make no attempt to hide.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 19:33:56 GMT -8
The things that jumped out at me in the article:
1. Riley left with his weakest recruiting class. Wonder if his bags were already packed.... 2. The number of top recruits who don't pan out is remarkable! 3. It's a tough comparison because GA still hasn't put in the number of years here as Riley AND Riley knew the area well to begin with.
4. Based upon what I've seen of Hodgins this year, I'm looking forward to more of GA's recruits maturing and playing hard.
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