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Post by grackle on Sept 18, 2017 7:08:30 GMT -8
The O concludes (after a long and tortuously presented "analysis") that "....Riley recruited at a slightly better clip than Andersen has thus far." Big surprise (hardly). So not only is his staff's game preparation and in-game coaching painfully inept, to me it seems pretty clear that CGA's recruiting program is close to circling the drain as well. My question is this: Yeah, it would be expensive to dump CGA in the (very) near future. But in the grand scheme of things, can we afford NOT to fire him (like maybe even now)? The long term damage this guy's presence is doing to the FB program as well as to OSU's reputation in general will, IMO, cost us far more than the bill for cutting our losses much sooner than later. see: www.oregonlive.com/recruiting/index.ssf/2017/09/oregon_state_beavers_football_9.html#incart_river_index |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 7:17:49 GMT -8
maybe true, maybe not. No way to tell other than to count stars, which would only be telling if there was a gross difference, which there is not. Don't ever believe anything the oregroanian says because even if it's true, it's packed with anti osu bias.
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 18, 2017 7:20:41 GMT -8
The O concludes (after a long and tortuously presented "analysis") that "....Riley recruited at a slightly better clip than Andersen has thus far." Big surprise (hardly). So not only is his staff's game preparation and in-game coaching painfully inept, to me it seems pretty clear that CGA's recruiting program is currently close to circling the drain as well. My question is this: Yeah, it would be expensive to dump CGA in the (very) near future. But in the grand scheme of things, can we afford NOT to fire him (like maybe even now)? The long term damage this guy's presence is doing to the FB program as well as to OSU's reputation in general will, IMO, cost us far more than the bill for cutting our losses much sooner than later. see: www.oregonlive.com/recruiting/index.ssf/2017/09/oregon_state_beavers_football_9.html#incart_river_indexThe CGA flop will hamstring us for years. But at somepoint you gotta cut bait and cast again. I would be absolutely stunned if 35K show up next home game. Stunned. We simply cannot afford to keep paying this money and have this level of results. We cannot do it. I have made the joke to a huge number of people, but if the OSU AD is listening, here is my offer "I will lose the same amount of games as CGA for half the price. Call me." In my opinion, our best option is to fire him ASAP. Let Baldwin be the interim. Them we find the best, hottest D-1 OC or DC we can find that will come here for an incentive laden, low contract. We need a person willing to come coach OSU for like, $1.3 - $1.5 million with a bunch of win games, get money contract items. The key to the next guy is young, exciting, energetic and connects with kids. We have to save recruiting, save our current players and get a PR boost for this program. The longer we sit here and let him fail, over and over again, the more damage we do. the AD has to take a stand and say 7-21 is not acceptable. We then cross our fingers while we continue to pay for two HCs at the same time and hope we capture a gem in the making. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 18, 2017 7:25:46 GMT -8
maybe true, maybe not. No way to tell other than to count stars, which would only be telling if there was a gross difference, which there is not. Don't ever believe anything the oregroanian says because even if it's true, it's packed with anti osu bias. proof is always in the pudding. CGA is 7-21. He is starting year 3 at 1-3 with a squeaker win over a mediocre FCS team. I am not sure what more evidence you could possibly want. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 7:26:35 GMT -8
The O concludes (after a long and tortuously presented "analysis") that "....Riley recruited at a slightly better clip than Andersen has thus far." Big surprise (hardly). So not only is his staff's game preparation and in-game coaching painfully inept, to me it seems pretty clear that CGA's recruiting program is currently close to circling the drain as well. My question is this: Yeah, it would be expensive to dump CGA in the (very) near future. But in the grand scheme of things, can we afford NOT to fire him (like maybe even now)? The long term damage this guy's presence is doing to the FB program as well as to OSU's reputation in general will, IMO, cost us far more than the bill for cutting our losses much sooner than later. see: www.oregonlive.com/recruiting/index.ssf/2017/09/oregon_state_beavers_football_9.html#incart_river_indexThe CGA flop will hamstring us for years. But at somepoint you gotta cut bait and cast again. I would be absolutely stunned if 35K show up next home game. Stunned. We simply cannot afford to keep paying this money and have this level of results. We cannot do it. I have made the joke to a huge number of people, but if the OSU AD is listening, here is my offer "I will lose the same amount of games as CGA for half the price. Call me." In my opinion, our best option is to fire him ASAP. Let Baldwin be the interim. Them we find the best, hottest D-1 OC or DC we can find that will come here for an incentive laden, low contract. We need a person willing to come coach OSU for like, $1.3 - $1.5 million with a bunch of win games, get money contract items. The key to the next guy is young, exciting, energetic and connects with kids. We have to save recruiting, save our current players and get a PR boost for this program. The longer we sit here and let him fail, over and over again, the more damage we do. the AD has to take a stand and say 7-21 is not acceptable. We then cross our fingers while we continue to pay for two HCs at the same time and hope we capture a gem in the making. no offense but making baldwin an interim coach is a non starter for at least two reasons. 1. Baldwinn is no better than CGA, probably worse from a leadership standpoint, especially as a lame duck interim. What does that do for you? 2. Interim for how long? 1 and 2/3 seasons? Don't know why you think CGA is going anywhere you are dreaming. Check back in after the 2018 season. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 7:30:18 GMT -8
maybe true, maybe not. No way to tell other than to count stars, which would only be telling if there was a gross difference, which there is not. Don't ever believe anything the oregroanian says because even if it's true, it's packed with anti osu bias. proof is always in the pudding. CGA is 7-21. He is starting year 3 at 1-3 with a squeaker win over a mediocre FCS team. I am not sure what more evidence you could possibly want. so the coaching is fine, it's just bad players? How can you tell? Is it both bad coaching and bad players? Probably but again, How can you tell? What the oresuckian doesn't even talk about is which coach is better at recruiting players who fit into their system. Because Anderpants has no system Riley clearly wins on that front. The oregonian "research" is a joke because well, its the oregonian. |
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Post by grackle on Sept 18, 2017 7:33:15 GMT -8
Don't know why you think CGA is going anywhere you are dreaming. Check back in after the 2018 season. And what do you suppose attendance will be by the end of next season? 10-15,000/game?? If we're lucky. |
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Post by messi on Sept 18, 2017 7:34:51 GMT -8
"I would be absolutely stunned if 35K show up next home game."
We should get more than that, perhaps over 40,000. Of course, a lot of that will be wearing purple and gold.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 7:40:17 GMT -8
Don't know why you think CGA is going anywhere you are dreaming. Check back in after the 2018 season. And what do you suppose attendance will be by the end of next season? 10-15,000/game?? If we're lucky. i will still be there for the most part. But probably have a much better seat. |
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Post by rollotomasi on Sept 18, 2017 7:44:46 GMT -8
"I would be absolutely stunned if 35K show up next home game. Stunned."
Prepare to be stunned. The next game will approach a sellout. We're playing UW, and they're going to turn Reser into Montlake South. Purple f%#*ing Reign.
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 18, 2017 7:46:23 GMT -8
proof is always in the pudding. CGA is 7-21. He is starting year 3 at 1-3 with a squeaker win over a mediocre FCS team. I am not sure what more evidence you could possibly want. so the coaching is fine, it's just bad players? How can you tell? Is it both bad coaching and bad players? Probably but again, How can you tell? What the oresuckian doesn't even talk about is which coach is better at recruiting players who fit into their system. Because Anderpants has no system Riley clearly wins on that front. The oregonian "research" is a joke because well, its the oregonian. All of the above? Bad recruiting and bad coaching? |
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 18, 2017 7:46:42 GMT -8
"I would be absolutely stunned if 35K show up next home game. Stunned." Prepare to be stunned. The next game will approach a sellout. We're playing UW, and they're going to turn Reser into Montlake South. Purple f%#*ing Reign. LOL. touche. valid point indeed. |
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Post by messi on Sept 18, 2017 7:59:59 GMT -8
Don't know why you think CGA is going anywhere you are dreaming. Check back in after the 2018 season. And what do you suppose attendance will be by the end of next season? 10-15,000/game?? If we're lucky. Is that 10-15,000 Beaver fans? Because the Civil War will be at Reser by the end of next season. The sight will make me want to cry the way things are going right now. |
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Post by nabeav on Sept 18, 2017 8:22:01 GMT -8
NABeav Analysis:
Mike Riley was a good, not great, coach who understood Corvallis and what it took to be competitive here. He recruited players that could play the way he wanted to, and as a result was able to compete with far more talented teams reasonably well.
Gary Andersen recruits War Daddies with no real feel for how they fit in Corvallis or in the context of his team, which is why we have 23 defensive backs on the roster right now. Great athletes, no room for them on the field.
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Post by gobeavs92 on Sept 18, 2017 10:41:23 GMT -8
Sometimes recruits come to a program because they want to be apart of a specific academic program at the school or they just like the feel of the campus or community. Sometimes the coach has nothing to do with them chasing their university besides maybe setting up an unofficial or official visit. There is no way to really tell "who the better recruiter" is without knowing all of the facts of the situation. Would Isaac Seumalo have come to Oregon State if his dad isn't on the staff? Quiz if James wasn't here? We can't say for sure.
I will share a personal story. I have a family member who truthfully was one of the best prospects in Oregon a little more than a few years ago. Univ of Oregon was in the top 5 in the country and Oregon State was struggling, bad! He was being recruiting by Oregon State very early (Locey was checking in a lot) his sop/jr year. Then his senior season (best season he had) Oregon State backed off. He and I still went down for a visit and one of the coaches at the time (Coach Beck) said to a room of recruits (from all over; Cali, Washington, Oregon including my family member) something to the extent of "this may or may not be the place for you. You should get out there and check out places to make sure" (not a direct quote but that was the premise. Within the week, my family member was offered by #2 in the country Oregon and he went on to play for them. That approach was a common one for Riley and his staff. Now, I don't like pushy salesmen but for god's sake, don't drive kids away! That comes off as, "we don't really need you" to some people, I could see that being interpreted that way by an impressionable 17-18 year old kid. You need to absolutely be able to sell your program if you want to compete in recruiting!
Go Beavs!
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