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Post by kersting13 on Sept 17, 2017 21:35:42 GMT -8
As in Luton's stats are worse unfortunately... And CGA KNEW that if Luton didn't at least minimally outplay 3M this year it would be another tick against any "goodwill" he had built up in the fan base. Just another her feather in his "completely oblivious to what makes a good QB" cap. Not sure if there's really any room for more feathers there.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Sept 18, 2017 5:23:01 GMT -8
I hate to beat a dead horse here, so I'm going to do just that.
Those of you who think 3M wouldn't make a difference, or there would be no difference between he and Luton, aren't getting that they are using a completely different offensive scheme, one which is killing our running game. If 3M was starting you would not be seeing the large volume of incomplete passes thrown down field. You would not be seeing defenses completely ignoring the read/option, you would not be seeing the slow developing run play. You would not be seeing a QB trying to complete 50% of his passes after getting chased from the pocket.
It's not Luton, it's the system. That is the biggest difference between the end of last year under 3M and the start of this year under Luton. That and 3M is way better at moving the chains than Luton. In just 4 games OSU Luton has attempted 35 or more passes twice. 3M did that once his two years at OSU. But here is the biggest difference comparing last year to this year. OSU has averaged 30 rushing plays per game in 2017. During 3M's starts in 2016, OSU averaged 43 rushing plays per game, and 50 the last two of the season.
OSU had a system that worked at the end of last year, with a QB that knew how to manage the offense and minimize mistakes, and emphasized the run game using power AND misdirection. They are doing none of that this year and everything that was a weapon last year has been extracted from the offense.
OSU is at minimum 3-1 with 3M starting this year and a continuation of what OSU was doing at the end of last year. Honestly I believe that. Now, if they used this system with 3M at QB? OSU is 1-3.
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Post by osulax24 on Sept 18, 2017 6:55:28 GMT -8
I concur
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 18, 2017 7:00:33 GMT -8
I hate to beat a dead horse here, so I'm going to do just that. Those of you who think 3M wouldn't make a difference, or there would be no difference between he and Luton, aren't getting that they are using a completely different offensive scheme, one which is killing our running game. If 3M was starting you would not be seeing the large volume of incomplete passes thrown down field. You would not be seeing defenses completely ignoring the read/option, you would not be seeing the slow developing run play. You would not be seeing a QB trying to complete 50% of his passes after getting chased from the pocket. It's not Luton, it's the system. That is the biggest difference between the end of last year under 3M and the start of this year under Luton. That and 3M is way better at moving the chains than Luton. In just 4 games OSU Luton has attempted 35 or more passes twice. 3M did that once his two years at OSU. But here is the biggest difference comparing last year to this year. OSU has averaged 30 rushing plays per game in 2017. During 3M's starts in 2016, OSU averaged 43 rushing plays per game, and 50 the last two of the season. OSU had a system that worked at the end of last year, with a QB that knew how to manage the offense and minimize mistakes, and emphasized the run game using power AND misdirection. They are doing none of that this year and everything that was a weapon last year has been extracted from the offense. OSU is at minimum 3-1 with 3M starting this year and a continuation of what OSU was doing at the end of last year. Honestly I believe that. Now, if they used this system with 3M at QB? OSU is 1-3. Every time I think about this, I just want to punch myself in the face until the pain goes away. What kind of idiot takes all the momentum, all the direction, all the everything from an improved year and throws it out the window? God, why? what on earth were they thinking? It simply defies any rational explanation. And since we didn't wake up to OSU fires Andersen headlines this morning, we are going to have to suffer 8 more games of this idiocy.
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Post by kersting13 on Sept 18, 2017 8:14:31 GMT -8
I hate to beat a dead horse here, so I'm going to do just that. Those of you who think 3M wouldn't make a difference, or there would be no difference between he and Luton, aren't getting that they are using a completely different offensive scheme, one which is killing our running game. If 3M was starting you would not be seeing the large volume of incomplete passes thrown down field. You would not be seeing defenses completely ignoring the read/option, you would not be seeing the slow developing run play. You would not be seeing a QB trying to complete 50% of his passes after getting chased from the pocket. It's not Luton, it's the system. That is the biggest difference between the end of last year under 3M and the start of this year under Luton. That and 3M is way better at moving the chains than Luton. In just 4 games OSU Luton has attempted 35 or more passes twice. 3M did that once his two years at OSU. But here is the biggest difference comparing last year to this year. OSU has averaged 30 rushing plays per game in 2017. During 3M's starts in 2016, OSU averaged 43 rushing plays per game, and 50 the last two of the season. OSU had a system that worked at the end of last year, with a QB that knew how to manage the offense and minimize mistakes, and emphasized the run game using power AND misdirection. They are doing none of that this year and everything that was a weapon last year has been extracted from the offense. OSU is at minimum 3-1 with 3M starting this year and a continuation of what OSU was doing at the end of last year. Honestly I believe that. Now, if they used this system with 3M at QB? OSU is 1-3. Every time I think about this, I just want to punch myself in the face until the pain goes away. What kind of idiot takes all the momentum, all the direction, all the everything from an improved year and throws it out the window? God, why? what on earth were they thinking? It simply defies any rational explanation. And since we didn't wake up to OSU fires Andersen headlines this morning, we are going to have to suffer 8 more games of this idiocy. We can only hope that it turns out the sh!tshow that DG put on last year was an anomaly. I mean, the guys stats from 2014 at USU looked pretty good. GA basically tossed Seth Collins out as QB and wouldn't even look at 3M because he thought so highly of DG. I hope and pray that DG was playing with 4 broken ribs, elbow tendinitis, and a bad case of crabs last season, and the REAL DG was the guy from 2014. One thing you have to expect is that they won't insist on a downfield passing game with DG as the starter, and we'll actually be run heavy.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Sept 18, 2017 8:22:15 GMT -8
I hate to beat a dead horse here, so I'm going to do just that. Those of you who think 3M wouldn't make a difference, or there would be no difference between he and Luton, aren't getting that they are using a completely different offensive scheme, one which is killing our running game. If 3M was starting you would not be seeing the large volume of incomplete passes thrown down field. You would not be seeing defenses completely ignoring the read/option, you would not be seeing the slow developing run play. You would not be seeing a QB trying to complete 50% of his passes after getting chased from the pocket. It's not Luton, it's the system. That is the biggest difference between the end of last year under 3M and the start of this year under Luton. That and 3M is way better at moving the chains than Luton. In just 4 games OSU Luton has attempted 35 or more passes twice. 3M did that once his two years at OSU. But here is the biggest difference comparing last year to this year. OSU has averaged 30 rushing plays per game in 2017. During 3M's starts in 2016, OSU averaged 43 rushing plays per game, and 50 the last two of the season. OSU had a system that worked at the end of last year, with a QB that knew how to manage the offense and minimize mistakes, and emphasized the run game using power AND misdirection. They are doing none of that this year and everything that was a weapon last year has been extracted from the offense. OSU is at minimum 3-1 with 3M starting this year and a continuation of what OSU was doing at the end of last year. Honestly I believe that. Now, if they used this system with 3M at QB? OSU is 1-3. Every time I think about this, I just want to punch myself in the face until the pain goes away. What kind of idiot takes all the momentum, all the direction, all the everything from an improved year and throws it out the window? God, why? what on earth were they thinking? It simply defies any rational explanation. And since we didn't wake up to OSU fires Andersen headlines this morning, we are going to have to suffer 8 more games of this idiocy. haha I don't really have a desire to punch myself in the face, but I wouldn't mind slapping the back of Andersen's head and telling him he's a complete tool, so long that he couldn't hit me back!
You are right. It defies rational explanation. I'm guessing there are many in the program that feel the same way, including the OC and DC right about now.
What OSU was doing at the end of last year was enjoyable to watch, as much as a read/option based offense can be. They were really doing creative things and 3M had it all under control, the team simply responded to him. We could run misdirection plays that had 3 OL pulling and literally not touching a defender for 5 yards downfield, with Nall running behind that. We could run what appeared to be a run play that was a quick pass for a first down. We had a QB that knew where that 1st down marker was and how to get us past that. And that's without even using a TE!
But really the key to all of it is 3M kept the defense off the field. Something Luton has really struggled with.
Blah Blah Blah I could rail on Andersen for hours. I tried, it's time to move forward.
Oh, btw, anyone catching what Purdue is doing right now? Coaching matters.
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 18, 2017 8:31:16 GMT -8
Every time I think about this, I just want to punch myself in the face until the pain goes away. What kind of idiot takes all the momentum, all the direction, all the everything from an improved year and throws it out the window? God, why? what on earth were they thinking? It simply defies any rational explanation. And since we didn't wake up to OSU fires Andersen headlines this morning, we are going to have to suffer 8 more games of this idiocy. haha I don't really have a desire to punch myself in the face, but I wouldn't mind slapping the back of Andersen's head and telling him he's a complete tool, so long that he couldn't hit me back!
You are right. It defies rational explanation. I'm guessing there are many in the program that feel the same way, including the OC and DC right about now.
What OSU was doing at the end of last year was enjoyable to watch, as much as a read/option based offense can be. They were really doing creative things and 3M had it all under control, the team simply responded to him. We could run misdirection plays that had 3 OL pulling and literally not touching a defender for 5 yards downfield, with Nall running behind that. We could run what appeared to be a run play that was a quick pass for a first down. We had a QB that knew where that 1st down marker was and how to get us past that. And that's without even using a TE!
But really the key to all of it is 3M kept the defense off the field. Something Luton has really struggled with.
Blah Blah Blah I could rail on Andersen for hours. I tried, it's time to move forward.
Oh, btw, anyone catching what Purdue is doing right now? Coaching matters.
Oregon state was 4-8 last year, but ended the year 2-0 scoring 76 points in the process and beating Oregon in the civil war. They ended on a clear upward trajectory with hope for the future and high expectations Oregon was 4-8 last year, ended the year 1-1, a squeaker against Utah and losing to OSU in the civil war. They ended the season demoralized and fired their coach. This year, Oregon is 3-0 and now nationally ranked with their new guy. OSU is 1-3 and is in the bottom 100 for offense and defense with their 3rd year head coach. Coaching matters indeed.
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Post by alwaysorange on Sept 18, 2017 8:33:32 GMT -8
If 3M were the QB maybe we'd be 3-0 right now, maybe not. Some of you want to compare 3Ms play at the end of last year to Luton's play this year. Just remember last year's final two games were against the two worst defenses of the Pac12 and it wasn't close. True we suck this year. But kindly take into account the opponents. Thank you.
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 18, 2017 8:53:30 GMT -8
I hate to beat a dead horse here, so I'm going to do just that. Those of you who think 3M wouldn't make a difference, or there would be no difference between he and Luton, aren't getting that they are using a completely different offensive scheme, one which is killing our running game. If 3M was starting you would not be seeing the large volume of incomplete passes thrown down field. You would not be seeing defenses completely ignoring the read/option, you would not be seeing the slow developing run play. You would not be seeing a QB trying to complete 50% of his passes after getting chased from the pocket. It's not Luton, it's the system. That is the biggest difference between the end of last year under 3M and the start of this year under Luton. That and 3M is way better at moving the chains than Luton. In just 4 games OSU Luton has attempted 35 or more passes twice. 3M did that once his two years at OSU. But here is the biggest difference comparing last year to this year. OSU has averaged 30 rushing plays per game in 2017. During 3M's starts in 2016, OSU averaged 43 rushing plays per game, and 50 the last two of the season. OSU had a system that worked at the end of last year, with a QB that knew how to manage the offense and minimize mistakes, and emphasized the run game using power AND misdirection. They are doing none of that this year and everything that was a weapon last year has been extracted from the offense. OSU is at minimum 3-1 with 3M starting this year and a continuation of what OSU was doing at the end of last year. Honestly I believe that. Now, if they used this system with 3M at QB? OSU is 1-3. 3-1 with MM and last year's system?....No way, not with the defense that we have. We'd still be 1-3, just maybe closer losses with more ball control and time of possession.
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Post by kersting13 on Sept 18, 2017 8:54:07 GMT -8
If 3M were the QB maybe we'd be 3-0 right now, maybe not. Some of you want to compare 3Ms play at the end of last year to Luton's play this year. Just remember last year's final two games were against the two worst defenses of the Pac12 and it wasn't close. True we suck this year. But kindly take into account the opponents. Thank you. How good are the defenses of the teams we've played this year? Colorado State ended 2016 with a loss by giving up 61 points to an Idaho team that is re-classifying to FCS. Minnesota was rocked by a sex scandal in the off-season that led to the firing of their coach. Several players from last year's team were booted from their roster. Portland State just got rolled by UC Davis 37-14. I don't think anyone has confused Washington State with Alabama in the history of football. So, yeah, we played some bad defenses at the end of last season. We haven't exactly seen a murderer's row in 2017.
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Post by beaverbeliever on Sept 18, 2017 9:42:55 GMT -8
But really the key to all of it is 3M kept the defense off the field. Something Luton has really struggled with.
What kept the defense off of the field was the running game. Good lord - the last two drives against Oregon were all running plays. Stop trying to make that success about 3M - its was about Nall, AP, and the offensive line.
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Post by obf on Sept 18, 2017 9:45:15 GMT -8
But really the key to all of it is 3M kept the defense off the field. Something Luton has really struggled with.
What kept the defense off of the field was the running game. Good lord - the last two drives against Oregon were all running plays. Stop trying to make that success about 3M - its was about Nall, AP, and the offensive line.And the PLAY CALLING with 3M still here and starting CGA and McGivens aren't calling for throwing 25% completion rate pass plays half the time...
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Post by beaverdude on Sept 18, 2017 9:53:48 GMT -8
This horse has been beaten to death, shipped to the dog food factory and been pooped out of a gaggle of angry chihuahuas..
Its time to end the 3M nonsense and move on already!
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Sept 18, 2017 10:00:44 GMT -8
This horse has been beaten to death, shipped to the dog food factory and been pooped out of a gaggle of angry chihuahuas.. Its time to end the 3M nonsense and move on already! I agree with that.. people need to move on and I think it's just any easy excuse to use as to why things aren't going so well
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Post by kersting13 on Sept 18, 2017 10:20:49 GMT -8
This horse has been beaten to death, shipped to the dog food factory and been pooped out of a gaggle of angry chihuahuas.. Its time to end the 3M nonsense and move on already! I agree with that.. people need to move on and I think it's just any easy excuse to use as to why things aren't going so well Sorry, it's going to be an ongoing topic. Especially if 3M finds any measure of success at Fresno. Any time you change from the incumbent who had reasonable success to a new guy, you're gonna be constantly second guessed if he doesn't outperform the incumbent. Doesn't matter how many times you suggest it's a dead horse issue, it's going to be sitting there staring you in the face for the entire season. "Get used to it" would be a better mind-set.
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