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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Sept 15, 2017 20:20:39 GMT -8
Would a two tight end set and a heavy dose of wrecking Nall ala Stanford be successful this weekend? It seems to me that we especially need to keep the air raid grounded on the sideline to have any chance at all.
Go Beavs!!
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Post by nabeav on Sept 15, 2017 20:27:17 GMT -8
Not an X and O guy, but I don't think it matters how we line up as long as we run the ball. I'd love to see the first three plays be runs even if we go three and out, then run it again the next drive. Make them work at least a little bit. I feel like we bail teams out a little bit when we don't make the big guys have to tackle early in the game. Maybe it takes their legs out just a little and opens up some holes or passing lanes for you in the second half.
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Post by gobeavs92 on Sept 15, 2017 20:37:17 GMT -8
Would a two tight end set and a heavy dose of wrecking Nall ala Stanford be successful this weekend? It seems to me that we especially need to keep the air raid grounded on the sideline to have any chance at all. Go Beavs!! No, because the Oregon State defense is so bad, that a team like WSU would be able to match anything we did on offense. Yes, the Offensive line for Oregon State has been bad lately but the defense (IMO) is the real problem! WSU is a team that you cannot slow down through ball control! You need a defense that can stop them on a couple/few plays, in order to beat them. We do not have that capability right now. Go Beavs!
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 15, 2017 20:44:42 GMT -8
Would a two tight end set and a heavy dose of wrecking Nall ala Stanford be successful this weekend? It seems to me that we especially need to keep the air raid grounded on the sideline to have any chance at all. Go Beavs!! No, because the Oregon State defense is so bad, that a team like WSU would be able to match anything we did on offense. Yes, the Offensive line for Oregon State has been bad lately but the defense (IMO) is the real problem! WSU is a team that you cannot slow down through ball control! You need a defense that can stop them on a couple/few plays, in order to beat them. We do not have that capability right now. Go Beavs! One could argue that slowing down the offense and using long sustained drives is exactly what Oregon State needs to do. The last thing we should be trying to do is get into boat races with teams. We accept that WSU can and will score when they get the ball. The key is matching scores, keeping it reasonable, and being close going into the 4th quarter. However, you are not going to do that being one dimensional. We should have an emphasis on power running and a heavy line is a way to do that, but there will likely be no avoiding needing to pass. We need to run as much as possible, but we cannot honestly expect that this OL even with extra TEs, has it in them to smash mouth anybody.
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Post by nforkbeav on Sept 15, 2017 20:46:27 GMT -8
Would a two tight end set and a heavy dose of wrecking Nall ala Stanford be successful this weekend? It seems to me that we especially need to keep the air raid grounded on the sideline to have any chance at all. Go Beavs!! When you tighten up your formation the defense matches suit bay adding more down linemen to counter or bringing outside backers in tighter or a combo of both. If you can't make or hold blocks it may actually be a disadvantage to draw more defenders in. That's where an H back can give you an edge over a TE since you can position him to disguise the play and set him up for an angle block he might win versus a head up block the TE might lose. WSU has one of the best D linemen in the conference and I'm not sure our O line can move the rest of their guys off the ball either. So you have to help them by creating running lanes with play calling, formations, stretching the field, and widening the field. If a defense is not worried about defending sideline to sideline or getting beat over the top they can sit on your run game. A one dimensional offense that isn't winning the line of scrimmage is a formula for a long painful night to watch.
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Post by gobeavs92 on Sept 15, 2017 21:15:48 GMT -8
Quite simply, IMO you need to actually stop WSU on couple drives at least and then outscore them from there. Their offense is predicated upon outscoring the opponent. They have just been playing better defense overall than I believe most teams (let alone what I think) thought they would! A simply "ground it out" offense will usually not work against this type of team....especially for us!
Go Beavs!
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Post by nforkbeav on Sept 15, 2017 21:46:33 GMT -8
Quite simply, IMO you need to actually stop WSU on couple drives at least and then outscore them from there. Their offense is predicated upon outscoring the opponent. They have just been playing better defense overall than I believe most teams (let alone what I think) thought they would! A simply "ground it out" offense will usually not work against this type of team....especially for us! Go Beavs! I know we've forgotten what offense is all about, but isn't the goal of every offense outscoring the opponent?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 21:48:22 GMT -8
Would a two tight end set and a heavy dose of wrecking Nall ala Stanford be successful this weekend? It seems to me that we especially need to keep the air raid grounded on the sideline to have any chance at all. Go Beavs!! Coach McGiveups is that you? You should really know the X's and O's by now instead of hitting up a fan message board 2 days before the game. If you are really that desperate, try Stack Exchange. They do a good job with random noob questions over there.
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Post by 56chevy on Sept 15, 2017 22:46:43 GMT -8
We have been losing on the line of scrimmage consistently so intuitively I would have to say...bad idea. My preference would be to establish the pass early and run more as the game progresses. Those sets that Stanford ran were goal line offense packages in the middle of the field. I'm sure we have a goal line package now, and coming out and running a set in it just to see if they could handle it would not be the worst thing we could do.
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Post by sagebrush on Sept 16, 2017 3:10:51 GMT -8
Unfortunately, no. Our O-line is terrible. They get no push. Our D is pathetic. That means we have to get into a shoot out to have any chance and most of that chance is hoping the other team has a day that what they do best is step on their johnson.
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Post by gobeavs92 on Sept 16, 2017 7:26:12 GMT -8
Quite simply, IMO you need to actually stop WSU on couple drives at least and then outscore them from there. Their offense is predicated upon outscoring the opponent. They have just been playing better defense overall than I believe most teams (let alone what I think) thought they would! A simply "ground it out" offense will usually not work against this type of team....especially for us! Go Beavs! I know we've forgotten what offense is all about, but isn't the goal of every offense outscoring the opponent? Of course but how many offenses actually do it? How many offenses can be down by several scores and comeback to win? That's like saying to teams that tackle really well on defense, "well isn't that the point on defense, to tackle the ball carrier"? Well sure but very few teams are really good and efficient at it! WSU is one of those teams that is in every single game! They will not get buried or fall behind by too much, even when they're defense is having a bad game. That was point in an earlier post, WSU's defense is way better than it probably even needs to be. That makes them scary. If Stanford gets down by 3 scores, their offense is not designed to score quickly and in big chunks! Make sense? Go Beavs!
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 16, 2017 8:07:37 GMT -8
Would a two tight end set and a heavy dose of wrecking Nall ala Stanford be successful this weekend? It seems to me that we especially need to keep the air raid grounded on the sideline to have any chance at all. Go Beavs!! In trying not to be too sarcastic or flippant, and certainly not directed at you, "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" 😁 Without getting into detailed x's and o's (that our coaches wouldn't understand in case they're reading) there are are several simple reasons... In no particular order: - "Jimmies and Joe's"... we have none to execute this. OL as mentioned is terrible and our TEs are not physical and nothing but perimeter type blockers. Nall is not a workhorse in that he's missed considerable time every season, including the Minnie game and prob not going to be able to do it alone. - coaches... we don't have any in terms of "teachers" with the ability to teach execution let alone running multiple schemes within whatever the hell their system is supposed to be. - coaches... it would take game planning and then focus and adaptability to the game plan. We don't seem to have a system let alone focus and adapting on the fly - HC... taking "responsibility" means doing the same basic things/"process" that have not worked in a 7-20 start, with no wins vs a winning team nor on the road. Yet tweak innumerable "pieces" (players, coaching responsibilities, schemes) within the process thinking they are the issue. So... is a W today possible? Yep. It's sports, s%#te happens Probable? Not unless WSU falls completely flat and hands OSU points. But, I'll guarantee our staff ain't out coaching anyone.
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Post by mikeriles53 on Sept 16, 2017 11:32:01 GMT -8
Running keeps Wazzu off the field, limits their possessions. Going 3 and out running will keep score closer than 3 and out passing. Wish I was back could fix that passing game. CGA stole my junior high playbook.
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 16, 2017 12:32:31 GMT -8
Running keeps Wazzu off the field, limits their possessions. Going 3 and out running will keep score closer than 3 and out passing. Wish I was back could fix that passing game. CGA stole my junior high playbook. 1st downs keeps the other team of the field. Inept offense on the ground or thru the air doesn't do it.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Sept 16, 2017 12:36:10 GMT -8
All X's are Hos
(Male and female, don't give me that misogynistic crap)
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