Post by nabeav on Sept 15, 2017 11:51:16 GMT -8
Since I have a few minutes right now and I don't want to have another Copy/Paste disaster like yesterday, I'm going to post some comments now and update it later.
Hour One
Hoo boy, we've got our first Parker-less show since I started doing these recaps. Veteran local radio guy Doug Blair is on the co-pilots seat.
Doug starts by exaggeratedly saying "THANK GOODNESS IT'S FRIDAY!!!" Jon is not amused.
Seeing how it's Friday, they discuss the night's high school football games. Jon is doing the Corvallis-South Albany game, and all but apologizes to CV for not covering their game tonight. They then discuss next week's "Corvallis Confrontation," which then leads to some stream-of-consciousness radio on high school rivalries. They discuss big rivalries in the state, which is basically just naming every city that has a north and south high school. Jon does correctly mention Oregon City and West Linn as being the oldest rivalry in the state (it's actually billed as the longest continuous rivalry west of the Mississippi.) They then discuss how the Big 10 has names for just about every game between conference schools, and how OSU-WSU need a rivalry name. The best they come up with is either "The Land Grant Bowl" or "The Aggie Bowl." While there is some discussion of the similarities between the two universities, they stop short of going through the Wikipedia page for Wazzu, a bit they do on the pregame show.
Doug Blair then drops the stat that the 2017 Beavs have given up the most points through three games of any OSU team in history. This depresses both of them.
The rest of the time is a conversation with Mark Barnard, OSU's volleyball coach. He's Australian, and a little hard to understand. Not to mention, I also don't really care about volleyball all that much. They talk about OSU's match vs. top ranked Minnesota this morning (Beavs took the first set before dropping three straight), gush about Mary Kate Marshall and her 21 Kills, a season high. Jon asks if he likes opening the Pac12 slate with Oregon, or if Barnard would rather have some other games before getting into the rivalry. Barnard declines to give an opinion, instead saying "in this conference, your first and last games are against your rival. That's the way it is." I didn't know this, so at least I learned something today.
The hour wraps up with more high school football talk. A tweeter sent a link to the names of some high school rivalries in Oregon. The best of the bunch is "The War on 84" between Pendleton and Hermiston.
Hour Two
Hour two started as it usually does, with a call from DFT. In a stunning turn of events, DFT gives mad props to the conversation Jon and Doug had last week regarding non conference scheduling, calling it "the most salient, cogent conversation on this show maybe ever." Translation: They agreed with him. The upshot was that from 1991-2003, we basically scheduled WAC and Big West schools, padding our win total as much as possible before heading into conference play. In 2004 (and DFT attributes this to Bobby D, probably correctly) that ushered in the "body bag" scheduling of LSU, etc. They all suggest that if we need the money, we should be scheduling patsies and recouping that money by making a bowl game. DFT thinks we need to do whatever is necessary to get out of the Ohio State game next year, and reiterates his point that it was absurd to reschedule the Colorado State game without asking for a second game in Corvallis or at least some compensatory money. The boys agree. There's some rehashing of Andersen's "why do we fly over all these schools to get to Big10 country" comment. Doug closes by saying it's necessary to go 3-0 in non conference, because winning 4-5 games in conference is so hard that you're not going to do it that often.
OK, here's all the reasons I think they're wrong.
First off, we've scheduled exactly three games without a guaranteed return game: LSU, Penn State, and Michigan (and Ohio St. next year if it happens). All those other games we got our doors blown off on the road were home and homes: Boise St, Fresno St., Cincinnati, Louisville, Wisconsin, and Minnesota all came back. TCU was set up by ESPN and just so happened to be at a neutral site close to TCU, so I don't really count that one. Three (maybe four) "body bag games" since our return to relevance in 1998, or about one every five years. We're not out there taking a guaranteed L every year.
Second, they all asserted that those games "do nothing" for us in terms of recruiting or anything else. If you want to explain how beating PSU at 11:00 am on Pac-12 network helped our recruiting, have at it.
DFT also claimed that moving the CSU game essentially "gave the Rams a 3 hour infomercial for their football program on national tv." Bull crap. It was on CBS Sports Network, which doesn't share its ratings with Nielsen. The highest rated game for week zero was Portland State at BYU on ESPN, which drew 939K viewers. The highest rated game that week that wasn't on ESPN was Texas Southern vs. FAMU at 228K on ESPNU. Figure at most 300K people were watching us get manhandled by Colorado State, and a majority of those were either in Oregon or Colorado. Furthermore, given what I've seen out of us since that game, I have to believe that playing them next week would probably play out pretty much the same.
Finally, the assertion that we need to go 3-0 to make a bowl game is bunk. Under Riley, Oregon State went to bowl games in 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2012, and 2013. 2012 is the only year out of those that we went undefeated in non conference. In 2003 and 2006 we had four non conference games and won 3, but in both instances we would have qualified for bowl games without the extra wins. The number of times. "Body Bag" games vs. LSU (2004), Penn State (2008), and Michigan (2015) had zero impact on bowl implications, as we either made or missed a bowl game by more than one game.
During Erickson/Riley II, we won at least 4 conference games in 12 of 16 years, so don't tell me it's "hard to do." Sure it seems hard now, because we are super sucky, but given that you have to schedule five years in advance, you can't count on being good or being bad (or conversely the other teams being good or bad either.)
So, in closing: I'm in full agreement that we should do everything in our ability to schedule teams that will offer a return game. If they don't, they better be giving us a pretty nice chunk of change to play. As a fan, I love seeing us play other P5 teams....those are games that I'll definitely consider traveling to. To see us play New Mexico? Hard Pass.
Another caller (I think also named Dave) just straight up asks Jon and Doug what's wrong with the program. Jon evades the question, but says "there are a few things that we know that we can't say because of our relationship with the program." Awesome. The caller then basically goes on a "we should've kept 3M" rant, and Doug gets all uncomfortable and tries to cut him off, before awkwardly saying "You're certainly not the only person who thinks that." Jon then says that "the internet is blowing up with talk of Ryan Nall having a hand injury, but that's not official from the program, so we can't say anything about that." Very smooth, Jon.
They then have a conversation with Roxy Bernstein about the game this weekend, which is basically nothing you don't already know or haven't heard. The best moment is Roxy telling us that his given name is Alan, but he's had the Roxy nickname since before birth. Apparently it was the name of a caddy his dad (a very good golfer) had, and he liked it, so he was going to call his unborn child Roxy regardless of gender.
That was pretty much it.
Drinkable Moments
Pretty much the entire high school football riff. Jon brings up Lake Oswego vs. Lakeridge, but doesn't know if it has a name for the rivalry game or not (it does: it's the Battle of the Lake) Dougy suggests "The Shake at the Lake," and when Jon asks why "shake," Dougy says "because it rhymes with Lake!" His only other suggestion is the Bake at the Lake, but some tweeter suggests Quake by the Lake, which isn't bad.
Also, they discuss Blair's history as a CHS alum and a radio guy for CV. Jon says "you told me a story about some bar that used to be in an auto shop out in the middle of nowhere...you know downtown there." Doug seems to have no recollection of this story.
When discussing the Klamath Union-Mazama Rivalry being called "the Canal Bowl," Jon says "I don't get that one at all...is there a canal down there or something?" Obviously yes, Jon. Things get even worse when he suggests that maybe it's not pronounced can-AL, but rather Cuh-NALL.
Dougie's cell phone rang at one point. Jon says "did they not know you were going to be on the radio today?" as if his phone didn't do the same thing yesterday. Also, is it really that common to leave your phone on the default ring tone? I specifically put something different on my phone so I'm not constantly checking my pocket every time I hear the Apple ringtone nearby.
When discussing Roxy's name, Dougie says "I wonder if his real name is Roxiford, or Ralph." Jon says "my mom wanted to call me Rockford, so I would've been Rocky." ROXIFORD.
Hour One
Hoo boy, we've got our first Parker-less show since I started doing these recaps. Veteran local radio guy Doug Blair is on the co-pilots seat.
Doug starts by exaggeratedly saying "THANK GOODNESS IT'S FRIDAY!!!" Jon is not amused.
Seeing how it's Friday, they discuss the night's high school football games. Jon is doing the Corvallis-South Albany game, and all but apologizes to CV for not covering their game tonight. They then discuss next week's "Corvallis Confrontation," which then leads to some stream-of-consciousness radio on high school rivalries. They discuss big rivalries in the state, which is basically just naming every city that has a north and south high school. Jon does correctly mention Oregon City and West Linn as being the oldest rivalry in the state (it's actually billed as the longest continuous rivalry west of the Mississippi.) They then discuss how the Big 10 has names for just about every game between conference schools, and how OSU-WSU need a rivalry name. The best they come up with is either "The Land Grant Bowl" or "The Aggie Bowl." While there is some discussion of the similarities between the two universities, they stop short of going through the Wikipedia page for Wazzu, a bit they do on the pregame show.
Doug Blair then drops the stat that the 2017 Beavs have given up the most points through three games of any OSU team in history. This depresses both of them.
The rest of the time is a conversation with Mark Barnard, OSU's volleyball coach. He's Australian, and a little hard to understand. Not to mention, I also don't really care about volleyball all that much. They talk about OSU's match vs. top ranked Minnesota this morning (Beavs took the first set before dropping three straight), gush about Mary Kate Marshall and her 21 Kills, a season high. Jon asks if he likes opening the Pac12 slate with Oregon, or if Barnard would rather have some other games before getting into the rivalry. Barnard declines to give an opinion, instead saying "in this conference, your first and last games are against your rival. That's the way it is." I didn't know this, so at least I learned something today.
The hour wraps up with more high school football talk. A tweeter sent a link to the names of some high school rivalries in Oregon. The best of the bunch is "The War on 84" between Pendleton and Hermiston.
Hour Two
Hour two started as it usually does, with a call from DFT. In a stunning turn of events, DFT gives mad props to the conversation Jon and Doug had last week regarding non conference scheduling, calling it "the most salient, cogent conversation on this show maybe ever." Translation: They agreed with him. The upshot was that from 1991-2003, we basically scheduled WAC and Big West schools, padding our win total as much as possible before heading into conference play. In 2004 (and DFT attributes this to Bobby D, probably correctly) that ushered in the "body bag" scheduling of LSU, etc. They all suggest that if we need the money, we should be scheduling patsies and recouping that money by making a bowl game. DFT thinks we need to do whatever is necessary to get out of the Ohio State game next year, and reiterates his point that it was absurd to reschedule the Colorado State game without asking for a second game in Corvallis or at least some compensatory money. The boys agree. There's some rehashing of Andersen's "why do we fly over all these schools to get to Big10 country" comment. Doug closes by saying it's necessary to go 3-0 in non conference, because winning 4-5 games in conference is so hard that you're not going to do it that often.
OK, here's all the reasons I think they're wrong.
First off, we've scheduled exactly three games without a guaranteed return game: LSU, Penn State, and Michigan (and Ohio St. next year if it happens). All those other games we got our doors blown off on the road were home and homes: Boise St, Fresno St., Cincinnati, Louisville, Wisconsin, and Minnesota all came back. TCU was set up by ESPN and just so happened to be at a neutral site close to TCU, so I don't really count that one. Three (maybe four) "body bag games" since our return to relevance in 1998, or about one every five years. We're not out there taking a guaranteed L every year.
Second, they all asserted that those games "do nothing" for us in terms of recruiting or anything else. If you want to explain how beating PSU at 11:00 am on Pac-12 network helped our recruiting, have at it.
DFT also claimed that moving the CSU game essentially "gave the Rams a 3 hour infomercial for their football program on national tv." Bull crap. It was on CBS Sports Network, which doesn't share its ratings with Nielsen. The highest rated game for week zero was Portland State at BYU on ESPN, which drew 939K viewers. The highest rated game that week that wasn't on ESPN was Texas Southern vs. FAMU at 228K on ESPNU. Figure at most 300K people were watching us get manhandled by Colorado State, and a majority of those were either in Oregon or Colorado. Furthermore, given what I've seen out of us since that game, I have to believe that playing them next week would probably play out pretty much the same.
Finally, the assertion that we need to go 3-0 to make a bowl game is bunk. Under Riley, Oregon State went to bowl games in 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2012, and 2013. 2012 is the only year out of those that we went undefeated in non conference. In 2003 and 2006 we had four non conference games and won 3, but in both instances we would have qualified for bowl games without the extra wins. The number of times. "Body Bag" games vs. LSU (2004), Penn State (2008), and Michigan (2015) had zero impact on bowl implications, as we either made or missed a bowl game by more than one game.
During Erickson/Riley II, we won at least 4 conference games in 12 of 16 years, so don't tell me it's "hard to do." Sure it seems hard now, because we are super sucky, but given that you have to schedule five years in advance, you can't count on being good or being bad (or conversely the other teams being good or bad either.)
So, in closing: I'm in full agreement that we should do everything in our ability to schedule teams that will offer a return game. If they don't, they better be giving us a pretty nice chunk of change to play. As a fan, I love seeing us play other P5 teams....those are games that I'll definitely consider traveling to. To see us play New Mexico? Hard Pass.
Another caller (I think also named Dave) just straight up asks Jon and Doug what's wrong with the program. Jon evades the question, but says "there are a few things that we know that we can't say because of our relationship with the program." Awesome. The caller then basically goes on a "we should've kept 3M" rant, and Doug gets all uncomfortable and tries to cut him off, before awkwardly saying "You're certainly not the only person who thinks that." Jon then says that "the internet is blowing up with talk of Ryan Nall having a hand injury, but that's not official from the program, so we can't say anything about that." Very smooth, Jon.
They then have a conversation with Roxy Bernstein about the game this weekend, which is basically nothing you don't already know or haven't heard. The best moment is Roxy telling us that his given name is Alan, but he's had the Roxy nickname since before birth. Apparently it was the name of a caddy his dad (a very good golfer) had, and he liked it, so he was going to call his unborn child Roxy regardless of gender.
That was pretty much it.
Drinkable Moments
Pretty much the entire high school football riff. Jon brings up Lake Oswego vs. Lakeridge, but doesn't know if it has a name for the rivalry game or not (it does: it's the Battle of the Lake) Dougy suggests "The Shake at the Lake," and when Jon asks why "shake," Dougy says "because it rhymes with Lake!" His only other suggestion is the Bake at the Lake, but some tweeter suggests Quake by the Lake, which isn't bad.
Also, they discuss Blair's history as a CHS alum and a radio guy for CV. Jon says "you told me a story about some bar that used to be in an auto shop out in the middle of nowhere...you know downtown there." Doug seems to have no recollection of this story.
When discussing the Klamath Union-Mazama Rivalry being called "the Canal Bowl," Jon says "I don't get that one at all...is there a canal down there or something?" Obviously yes, Jon. Things get even worse when he suggests that maybe it's not pronounced can-AL, but rather Cuh-NALL.
Dougie's cell phone rang at one point. Jon says "did they not know you were going to be on the radio today?" as if his phone didn't do the same thing yesterday. Also, is it really that common to leave your phone on the default ring tone? I specifically put something different on my phone so I'm not constantly checking my pocket every time I hear the Apple ringtone nearby.
When discussing Roxy's name, Dougie says "I wonder if his real name is Roxiford, or Ralph." Jon says "my mom wanted to call me Rockford, so I would've been Rocky." ROXIFORD.