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Post by nabeav on Sept 14, 2017 7:59:32 GMT -8
scout.com/college/oregon-state/Article/DAM-Podcast-Howd-We-Get-Here-107390281Machado said that the offense on Saturday reminded her of "a Riley team" in that they were one dimensional and completely predictable. They both agree that our team has quit quit in the second half of the Minnesota game. Machado thinks we have crappy recruiters (She did give thumbs up to Baldwin and Lockette). Machado thinks some Pac-12 teams are going to hang 70 on us. Sprague thinks other coaches have "too much respect" for Andersen and call off the dogs around 50 or 55. It was a real miserable hour of listening. Call me crazy, but I think we make it close this week with everyone doubting us. Don't think we win, but I think the team earns the right to lose the "Boys of Tin" moniker on Saturday.
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 14, 2017 8:05:02 GMT -8
She better be careful throwing around the "Q" word. That's a serious allegation on a group of men that she has to cover for the rest of the season at least. Could get pretty uncomfortable.
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Post by bill82 on Sept 14, 2017 8:15:48 GMT -8
She better be careful throwing around the "Q" word. That's a serious allegation on a group of men that she has to cover for the rest of the season at least. Could get pretty uncomfortable. I doubt the players are offended. Quitting on a bad/cruel/incompetent coach is not dishonorable. I don't expect players to blindly follow their designated leader. Their main responsibility is to get an education. Who knows, her comments might open up some off-the-record conversations from players. |
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Post by kersting13 on Sept 14, 2017 8:28:17 GMT -8
lol. I'd be real happy if the offense could do anything as well as a Riley offense - predictable or not, it still worked most of the time. I'm taking "predictable" and competent over "unpredictable" and incompetent any day. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 14, 2017 8:33:57 GMT -8
lol. I'd be real happy if the offense could do anything as well as a Riley offense - predictable or not, it still worked most of the time. I'm taking "predictable" and competent over "unpredictable" and incompetent any day. Kinda lowest common denominator opinion out of Machado on that one. no denying it was one dimensional the last couple years. Running desperately needed to be better. But I take umbrage with "predictable". Unless you are going to say "predictable" is passing on 3rd down... No, it was a pro offense. It looked the same many times to a naive eye. But routes adapted, adjustments happened. things tweaked. that is the entire point of it. Not being successful isn't the same as being predictable. There can be lots of reasons you were not successful, it doesn't always mean there wasn't a great play lined up, or a good scheme. Execution counts for a lot. |
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Post by obf on Sept 14, 2017 8:45:00 GMT -8
scout.com/college/oregon-state/Article/DAM-Podcast-Howd-We-Get-Here-107390281Machado said that the offense on Saturday reminded her of "a Riley team" in that they were one dimensional and completely predictable. They both agree that our team has quit. Machado thinks we have crappy recruiters (She did give thumbs up to Baldwin and Lockette). Machado thinks some Pac-12 teams are going to hang 70 on us. Sprague thinks other coaches have "too much respect" for Andersen and call off the dogs around 50 or 55. It was a real miserable hour of listening. Call me crazy, but I think we make it close this week with everyone doubting us. Don't think we win, but I think the team earns the right to lose the "Boys of Tin" moniker on Saturday. It's times like these that I sure would love to be a towel boy, or janitor or something, to get a real feel for how the team is emotionally and see how the coaches work together and with the players and such. On saturday it sure seemed like the players quit... but who knows how they are today or if it was a galvanizing moment or a disintegrating one, or if they are rallying around each other in this nadir or if they are running separately for the hills, or breaking off into factions. In terms of one dimensional... I would probably hate it if I actually had it, but i would LOVE the chance to call plays, I THINK and FEEL like I could so SO MUCH of a better job, but maybe I just don;t realize how hard of a job it is... RUN THE GD BALL!!!!! Did we ever find out why Nall didn't start either half and why he only got 7 touches? I know he fumbled and that glued him to the bench, but what about before that? |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 14, 2017 9:34:33 GMT -8
The first half was due to the whole "strategic advantage" thing. Someone mentioned that during fumble on his first carry of the 2nd half his finger was smashed by a direct helmet hit and nearly broken (at least painful at any rate). I could see him sitting if he's not sure he could hold onto the ball.
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 14, 2017 12:15:52 GMT -8
lol. I'd be real happy if the offense could do anything as well as a Riley offense - predictable or not, it still worked most of the time. I'm taking "predictable" and competent over "unpredictable" and incompetent any day. Kinda lowest common denominator opinion out of Machado on that one. no denying it was one dimensional the last couple years. Running desperately needed to be better. But I take umbrage with "predictable". Unless you are going to say "predictable" is passing on 3rd down... No, it was a pro offense. It looked the same many times to a naive eye. But routes adapted, adjustments happened. things tweaked. that is the entire point of it. Not being successful isn't the same as being predictable. There can be lots of reasons you were not successful, it doesn't always mean there wasn't a great play lined up, or a good scheme. Execution counts for a lot. Record breaking QBs, WRs, great stats by RBs and consistent winning seasons. If it was so predictable he must have been a true genius. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 14, 2017 14:43:35 GMT -8
lol. I'd be real happy if the offense could do anything as well as a Riley offense - predictable or not, it still worked most of the time. I'm taking "predictable" and competent over "unpredictable" and incompetent any day. Kinda lowest common denominator opinion out of Machado on that one. no denying it was one dimensional the last couple years. Running desperately needed to be better. But I take umbrage with "predictable". Unless you are going to say "predictable" is passing on 3rd down... No, it was a pro offense. It looked the same many times to a naive eye. But routes adapted, adjustments happened. things tweaked. that is the entire point of it. Not being successful isn't the same as being predictable. There can be lots of reasons you were not successful, it doesn't always mean there wasn't a great play lined up, or a good scheme. Execution counts for a lot. I personally believe that Terron Ward was not evaluated correctly and was under-utilized in 2013 and 2014. If Riley had started Ward over Woods in 2013 and 2014, the running game would have functioned a lot better, which would have taken a lot of pressure off of the passing game. Woods may have been healthy enough to be an every-down back in 2012, but he was never more than a passing down back after that. |
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Post by beavadelic on Sept 14, 2017 15:20:32 GMT -8
scout.com/college/oregon-state/Article/DAM-Podcast-Howd-We-Get-Here-107390281Machado said that the offense on Saturday reminded her of "a Riley team" in that they were one dimensional and completely predictable. They both agree that our team has quit. Machado thinks we have crappy recruiters (She did give thumbs up to Baldwin and Lockette). Machado thinks some Pac-12 teams are going to hang 70 on us. Sprague thinks other coaches have "too much respect" for Andersen and call off the dogs around 50 or 55. It was a real miserable hour of listening. Call me crazy, but I think we make it close this week with everyone doubting us. Don't think we win, but I think the team earns the right to lose the "Boys of Tin" moniker on Saturday. It's times like these that I sure would love to be a towel boy, or janitor or something, to get a real feel for how the team is emotionally and see how the coaches work together and with the players and such. On saturday it sure seemed like the players quit... but who knows how they can are today or if it was a galvanizing moment or a disintegrating one, or if they are rallying around each other in this nadir or if they are running separately for the hills, or breaking off into factions. In terms of one dimensional... I would probably hate it if I actually had it, but i would LOVE the chance to call plays, I THINK and FEEL like I could so SO MUCH of a better job, but maybe I just don;t realize how hard of a job it is... RUN THE GD BALL!!!!! Did we ever find out why Nall didn't start either half and why he only got 7 touches? I know he fumbled and that glued him to the bench, but what about before that? Your comment about being a towel boy or janitor reminded me of how I miss the open practices. I loved being able to go and see how things were going for myself when DE an Riley were here. I not only liked gauging our progress, but it was fun to see the future of the program - the kids who were red shirting or lower ion the depth chart. You could see how different coaches used their own unique styles to teach and impact the players, and how the athletes interacted with each other. I realize that most programs seem to have mostly closed practices - if they let you know what they are working on or how players are looking, they might have to kill you. I do think that we might be able to learn more about dynamics on the team if we could be there. I'll never forget watching DE climb Nick Barnett's bones for hitting Simonton out of bounds in a scrimmage and throwing him out of practice one day. I knew some guys on that team, and they said that the offense and defensive players loved each other off the practice field, but between the lines, it was WAR. Those coaches weren't afraid of people knowing what they were going to do. Both DE and MR left no mystery about our goals or identity. If we did things right, it didn't matter what the other team knew or did. I hated the personal fouls, but I loved the edge we played with when DE was the coach, and I loved the transparency with both DE and MR. It is what it is in terms of practice policy etc. in 2017, but I too would dearly love to be around that action and see the preparation side of this for myself...and (hopefully) see some energy and passion to turn this around. |
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Post by nforkbeav on Sept 14, 2017 15:35:30 GMT -8
It's times like these that I sure would love to be a towel boy, or janitor or something, to get a real feel for how the team is emotionally and see how the coaches work together and with the players and such. On saturday it sure seemed like the players quit... but who knows how they can are today or if it was a galvanizing moment or a disintegrating one, or if they are rallying around each other in this nadir or if they are running separately for the hills, or breaking off into factions. In terms of one dimensional... I would probably hate it if I actually had it, but i would LOVE the chance to call plays, I THINK and FEEL like I could so SO MUCH of a better job, but maybe I just don;t realize how hard of a job it is... RUN THE GD BALL!!!!! Did we ever find out why Nall didn't start either half and why he only got 7 touches? I know he fumbled and that glued him to the bench, but what about before that? Your comment about being a towel boy or janitor reminded me of how I miss the open practices. I loved being able to go and see how things were going for myself when DE an Riley were here. I not only liked gauging our progress, but it was fun to see the future of the program - the kids who were red shirting or lower ion the depth chart. You could see how different coaches used their own unique styles to teach and impact the players, and how the athletes interacted with each other. I realize that most programs seem to have mostly closed practices - if they let you know what they are working on or how players are looking, they might have to kill you. I do think that we might be able to learn more about dynamics on the team if we could be there. I'll never forget watching DE climb Nick Barnett's bones for hitting Simonton out of bounds in a scrimmage and throwing him out of practice one day. I knew some guys on that team, and they said that the offense and defensive players loved each other off the practice field, but between the lines, it was WAR. Those coaches weren't afraid of people knowing what they were going to do. Both DE and MR left no mystery about our goals or identity. If we did things right, it didn't matter what the other team knew or did. I hated the personal fouls, but I loved the edge we played with when DE was the coach, and I loved the transparency with both DE and MR. It is what it is in terms of practice policy etc. in 2017, but I too would dearly love to be around that action and see the preparation side of this for myself...and (hopefully) see some energy and passion to turn this around. If you're going to shut your fan base/boosters out, then you better win. Otherwise it appears you have something to hide from them as opposed to the competition like a secret play/formation/or personnel grouping. |
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Post by snohobeav on Sept 14, 2017 16:45:45 GMT -8
scout.com/college/oregon-state/Article/DAM-Podcast-Howd-We-Get-Here-107390281Machado said that the offense on Saturday reminded her of "a Riley team" in that they were one dimensional and completely predictable. They both agree that our team has quit. Machado thinks we have crappy recruiters (She did give thumbs up to Baldwin and Lockette). Machado thinks some Pac-12 teams are going to hang 70 on us. Sprague thinks other coaches have "too much respect" for Andersen and call off the dogs around 50 or 55. It was a real miserable hour of listening. Call me crazy, but I think we make it close this week with everyone doubting us. Don't think we win, but I think the team earns the right to lose the "Boys of Tin" moniker on Saturday. Punt of codification: Machado said the team, or some of them, quit in the second half of the Minnesota game, not wit on the team/coaches. This is how rumors get started. The Telephone game comes to mind. You hear things 3rd or 4th person and the story changes with each person along the line. Like "I know a guy who knows a parent and he says..." |
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 14, 2017 17:35:57 GMT -8
She better be careful throwing around the "Q" word. That's a serious allegation on a group of men that she has to cover for the rest of the season at least. Could get pretty uncomfortable. I doubt the players are offended. Quitting on a bad/cruel/incompetent coach is not dishonorable. I don't expect players to blindly follow their designated leader. Their main responsibility is to get an education. Who knows, her comments might open up some off-the-record conversations from players. I think you're crazy if you honestly think they wouldn't be offended. Respectfully of course. |
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Post by nabeav on Sept 14, 2017 18:09:52 GMT -8
Correct. They said that they quit in the second half of the Minnesota game. I should've clarified that better.
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