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Post by kersting13 on Sept 13, 2017 9:27:38 GMT -8
Unpopular Totally incorrect take of the day---maybe Nall is just a slightly above average running back who had some big games last year against bad competition. Quite frankly AP was much more effective and held onto the ball given the bad line play Fixed. I'm not going to bash on AP, because I think he's a quality back, but asserting that Nall is just an average back who has had 1500 yards and nearly 6 ypc over his career vs only bad defenses is plain old ludicrous. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 13, 2017 9:43:55 GMT -8
Unpopular take of the day---maybe Nall is just a slightly above average running back who had some big games last year against bad competition. Quite frankly AP was much more effective and held onto the ball given the bad line play Hmmmm... seems to be the take on 3M so why not!? |
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Post by nabeav on Sept 13, 2017 9:52:54 GMT -8
Unpopular take of the day---maybe Nall is just a slightly above average running back who had some big games last year against bad competition. Quite frankly AP was much more effective and held onto the ball given the bad line play Hmmmm... seems to be the take on 3M so why not!?  |
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 13, 2017 9:56:18 GMT -8
Unpopular take of the day---maybe Nall is just a slightly above average running back who had some big games last year against bad competition. Quite frankly AP was much more effective and held onto the ball given the bad line play Hmmmm... seems to be the take on 3M so why not!? He said "slightly above average" which rules out 3M....who was average at best. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 13, 2017 9:58:09 GMT -8
Hmmmm... seems to be the take on 3M so why not!? He said "slightly above average" which rules out 3M....who was average at best. LMAO... In comparison to the position you've got it backwards. 3M was "average" in much worse circumstances and far far more durable. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 13, 2017 10:04:05 GMT -8
Unpopular take of the day---maybe Nall is just a slightly above average running back who had some big games last year against bad competition. Quite frankly AP was much more effective and held onto the ball given the bad line play He busted up Stanford, on the road for 7.7 yards per carry... Pierce is a quality back no doubt but I cannot find very many examples where he outperformed Nall on a YPC basis in the same game. And when he did, it is usually explained by only having 5 or so attempts and the advantage of being a change of pace back. When the back up comes in, it is natural for the defense to relax a bit and focus on pass rushing. It just happens. |
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Post by kersting13 on Sept 13, 2017 10:18:38 GMT -8
Hmmmm... seems to be the take on 3M so why not!? He said "slightly above average" which rules out 3M....who was average at best. At his best, McMaryion was really really good - see WSU or UA games last year. But I will agree that McMaryion was average. He would probably be about the 6th or 7th best QB in the Pac-12 this year, which was a FAR cry from being solidly in the 12th slot like we were for Andersen's first 18 games. I don't expect Luton to end up the 6th or 7th best in the Pac this year. |
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Post by beavdowg on Sept 13, 2017 10:30:51 GMT -8
As for Nall, interesting that this has come up. Big Suk (sp?) from 1080 the Fan spoke to this last week and his opinion is that Nall is a nice back but is in no way an every-down Sunday back at the next level. He didn't consider him an "elite" back. I have noticed this year that he's a tad slow to hit holes and may dance a bit more than his talent allows. I like Nall but I can see now what Suk is talking about.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 13, 2017 10:39:07 GMT -8
Statistically, 3M had a Qb rating of 136.4 (56th in the country) which might be considered average. If one takes into consideration he became the starter mid-season without practice with the ones I'd think that bumps things up a bit. Most QBs on the list had a spring and a fall practice with the ones, and a full season to improve. I've little doubt with more time at the #1 spot his efficiency numbers would bump upwards.
By the way, Jonathan Smith and Derek Anderson never had seasons that efficient, Sean Canfield and Sean Mannion only surpassed that in 2 of their 4 years each.
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 13, 2017 10:43:01 GMT -8
As for Nall, interesting that this has come up. Big Suk (sp?) from 1080 the Fan spoke to this last week and his opinion is that Nall is a nice back but is in no way an every-down Sunday back at the next level. He didn't consider him an "elite" back. I have noticed this year that he's a tad slow to hit holes and may dance a bit more than his talent allows. I like Nall but I can see now what Suk is talking about. He is slow because there ISN'T a hole there. that is why he is dancing. He could take the Steven Jackson approach and MAKE one, and flat barrel his way to 3 yards through rage and grit... but Nall is trying to get to the next level. Coaches call different runs. Pierce gets the outside run calls for the most part. Nall is getting a lot of between the tackles work and our guards are getting chewed up. |
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Post by nabeav on Sept 13, 2017 10:58:34 GMT -8
He said "slightly above average" which rules out 3M....who was average at best. At his best, McMaryion was really really good - see WSU or UA games last year. But I will agree that McMaryion was average. He would probably be about the 6th or 7th best QB in the Pac-12 this year, which was a FAR cry from being solidly in the 12th slot like we were for Andersen's first 18 games. I don't expect Luton to end up the 6th or 7th best in the Pac this year. 6th best QB this year would put him behind Browning, Darnold, Herbert, Falk, and Rosen probably. Right now Luton is 12th in QBR according to ESPN, ahead of only Brandon Dawkins (both WSU QBs are listed) Luton leads the conference in completions, attempts, and interceptions and is tied for second in TD passes, but has played one more game than everyone else. |
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Post by rollotomasi on Sept 13, 2017 11:31:44 GMT -8
Unpopular take of the day---maybe Nall is just a slightly above average running back who had some big games last year against bad competition. Quite frankly AP was much more effective and held onto the ball given the bad line play ಠ_ಠ |
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Post by rollotomasi on Sept 13, 2017 11:41:22 GMT -8
As for Nall, interesting that this has come up. Big Suk (sp?) from 1080 the Fan spoke to this last week and his opinion is that Nall is a nice back but is in no way an every-down Sunday back at the next level. He didn't consider him an "elite" back. I have noticed this year that he's a tad slow to hit holes and may dance a bit more than his talent allows. I like Nall but I can see now what Suk is talking about. He is slow to the hole, because THAT IS THE OFFENSE. We don't run straight ahead, head of steam, to a pre-determined hole anymore. We run some dumb-ass "spread option" trash, basically what the zeroes ran with great success with Masoli and Mariota. We will never run it to great success, because Luton can't run. The whole thing is supposed to be slow developing in order to allow the QB to read where the defender will commit |
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Post by orangeattack on Sept 13, 2017 11:46:10 GMT -8
That fumble did not seem to be the result of carrying the ball poorly. Simply a helmet in the exact wrong spot at the right time, no avoiding that type of fumble. He took a helmet directly on the finger and it smashed the living crap out of it. He said he was still having trouble with it earlier this week... I am pretty sure this is the reason he didn't get any more carries, he damn near got his hand broken. |
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Post by mbabeav on Sept 13, 2017 12:01:35 GMT -8
Perimeter, crap - Nall is great on the wheel route out of the backfield, and if you want to "run" to the perimeter without relying on the o line to do what they can't seem to do yet, then toss the ball to him. Sigh
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