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Post by RenoBeaver on Sept 10, 2017 6:57:38 GMT -8
Oregon State is 3-0 with 3M under center.
I know, sounds ridiculous, 3M doesn't play defense. 3M doesn't run block. 3M doesn't coach.
Well go watch last year's AZ and Civil War game and you will see the difference between how a QB who can move the chains and keep his defense off the field impacts a team, compared to a QB who can't move the chains, can't throw on the move, and poses virtually no threat to run in an offense that still runs a read option play. With 3M we ran an offense which provided cover for our O-line deficiencies with misdirection and the thread of a running QB, this offense exposes the O-line deficiencies.
Here's the difference in a nutshell. First drive of the game, OSU at Minny 37, 3rd and 4. Luton incomplete pass - punt into end zone for net of 17 yards. 3M finds a way to move the chains on that down, and OSU scores. But, but but....Minny destroyed OSU in the 2nd half right? OSU's possessions: Punt/Fumble/Punt/Punt/Punt/Punt. Not one drive more than 3 plays. Yes, your already crappy defense is going to get worked when that happens, which also happened in the CSU game.
And here's the kicker. I think Jake Luton is a potentially great QB. Just playing in a horrible system, with horrendous coaching.
Now I know it's all hypotheticals, but I mean, what the F else do you want to talk about. Hypothetically firing CGA? Hypothetically hiring a good OC? Hypothetically talking about OSU winning another game this year?
It's all hypothetical, I'm sticking by mine. And let's be real. We've played 3 average to bad football teams. Last year's Oregon team whoops them all. Last year's OSU week 11 and 12 team also beats them.
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Post by bhowren on Sept 10, 2017 10:15:22 GMT -8
I think another factor contributing to the record is the morale of the team after the poor handling of 3M. This is not Luton's fault, nor any slight on his abilities. He is in a system not suited to huis skillset! This is about how 3M earned far more than he was given after his performance at the end of last season! He improved a great deal once finally given a chance. He should have been given at least a shot as the starter, based on his performance. Instead the other kids on the team saw the coaches show a serious lack of loyalty to a player that gave the team his all and performed! I think this has greatly affected our record due to a lack of buy in and faith in our coaching staff. Hard to buy in to a coaching staff that shows no loyalty to their players!
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 10, 2017 10:20:17 GMT -8
I think another factor contributing to the record is the morale of the team after the poor handling of 3M. This is not Luton's fault, nor any slight on his abilities. He is in a system not suited to huis skillset! This is about how 3M earned far more than he was given after his performance at the end of last season! He improved a great deal once finally given a chance. He should have been given at least a shot as the starter, based on his performance. Instead the other kids on the team saw the coaches show a serious lack of loyalty to a player that gave the team his all and performed! I think this has greatly affected our record due to a lack of buy in and faith in our coaching staff. Hard to buy in to a coaching staff that shows no loyalty to their players! ... or now, any loyalty to the staff themselves! |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Sept 10, 2017 10:30:12 GMT -8
I think another factor contributing to the record is the morale of the team after the poor handling of 3M. This is not Luton's fault, nor any slight on his abilities. He is in a system not suited to huis skillset! This is about how 3M earned far more than he was given after his performance at the end of last season! He improved a great deal once finally given a chance. He should have been given at least a shot as the starter, based on his performance. Instead the other kids on the team saw the coaches show a serious lack of loyalty to a player that gave the team his all and performed! I think this has greatly affected our record due to a lack of buy in and faith in our coaching staff. Hard to buy in to a coaching staff that shows no loyalty to their players! Well said. It will be my not-so-fond memory of this era. And it didn't have to be this way. I get mistakes made in evaluation, which ultimately leads to planning and preparation. 3 years of it is inexcusable.
This team had an offense, an offensive leader, and a productive one to build upon for year 3, and the fact it took 3 or 4 other QBs to fail to figure that out is almost inexcusable. This staff completely shat itself trying to remake it something it's not, and can't be.
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Post by claude on Sept 10, 2017 11:31:31 GMT -8
Regarding 3M, Anderson tried to do the same thing at Wisconsin, by saying that "his QB" had beat out Stave, the incumbent. The leaders on the team rebelled, and Alvarez stepped in, and in a couple more games, Stave was back as starter. It caused Anderson so much embarassment, that he stole away to OSU-----GOOD RIDDANCE
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 10, 2017 12:50:15 GMT -8
Regarding 3M, Anderson tried to do the same thing at Wisconsin, by saying that "his QB" had beat out Stave, the incumbent. The leaders on the team rebelled, and Alvarez stepped in, and in a couple more games, Stave was back as starter. It caused Anderson so much embarassment, that he stole away to OSU-----GOOD RIDDANCE And the same to you. Beat it. Go have a sausage. |
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Post by kersting13 on Sept 10, 2017 13:52:25 GMT -8
I think another factor contributing to the record is the morale of the team after the poor handling of 3M. This is not Luton's fault, nor any slight on his abilities. He is in a system not suited to huis skillset! This is about how 3M earned far more than he was given after his performance at the end of last season! He improved a great deal once finally given a chance. He should have been given at least a shot as the starter, based on his performance. Instead the other kids on the team saw the coaches show a serious lack of loyalty to a player that gave the team his all and performed! I think this has greatly affected our record due to a lack of buy in and faith in our coaching staff. Hard to buy in to a coaching staff that shows no loyalty to their players! Well said. It will be my not-so-fond memory of this era. And it didn't have to be this way. I get mistakes made in evaluation, which ultimately leads to planning and preparation. 3 years of it is inexcusable.
This team had an offense, an offensive leader, and a productive one to build upon for year 3, and the fact it took 3 or 4 other QBs to fail to figure that out is almost inexcusable. This staff completely shat itself trying to remake it something it's not, and can't be.
Hell, the fact that we dumped Collins for Garretson was almost as bad a decision as choosing Garretson & Blount over 3M. Collins was superior to DG in every phase of the game - THAT fact hasn't been discussed enough. "This staff completely shat itself" is a perfect description for the season so far. SaveSave |
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Post by thetruebeav on Sept 10, 2017 14:11:34 GMT -8
100% correcrt kersting13! I could argue that Collins gave us the most out of any QB we have seen under this current staff. He brings that "it" that currently seems to be lacking. Having him back there with the multiple backs would be exciting. But what the hell so I know..... I don't even own big boy pants
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Post by gotmilk on Sept 10, 2017 14:13:35 GMT -8
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 10, 2017 17:32:34 GMT -8
100% correcrt kersting13! I could argue that Collins gave us the most out of any QB we have seen under this current staff. He brings that "it" that currently seems to be lacking. Having him back there with the multiple backs would be exciting. But what the hell so I know..... I don't even own big boy pants I thought early on they should have stuck with either Collins or 3M year one and try to improve the O through practice rather than the merry-go-round of QBs and offenses we've seen. Heck, they could probably tweak the existing offense and improve it. We'll probably see some radical change though. |
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Post by seastape on Sept 10, 2017 18:16:30 GMT -8
100% correcrt kersting13! I could argue that Collins gave us the most out of any QB we have seen under this current staff. He brings that "it" that currently seems to be lacking. Having him back there with the multiple backs would be exciting. But what the hell so I know..... I don't even own big boy pants Yes, but you do own a robe and the ability to make a good white Russian on the spot...so that gives you a whole lot of wisdom. |
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Post by steinlager on Sept 10, 2017 18:22:15 GMT -8
100% correcrt kersting13! I could argue that Collins gave us the most out of any QB we have seen under this current staff. He brings that "it" that currently seems to be lacking. Having him back there with the multiple backs would be exciting. But what the hell so I know..... I don't even own big boy pants Yes, but you do own a robe and the ability to make a good white Russian on the spot...so that gives you a whole lot of wisdom. Lebowski is on our staff? |
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Post by seastape on Sept 10, 2017 18:24:09 GMT -8
Makes me almost sick to my stomach. Deja vu all over again... |
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Post by seastape on Sept 10, 2017 18:24:49 GMT -8
Yes, but you do own a robe and the ability to make a good white Russian on the spot...so that gives you a whole lot of wisdom. Lebowski is on our staff? Just judging by his avatar. |
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