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Post by beavadelic on Sept 9, 2017 23:28:53 GMT -8
I'm not even trying to be cynical (though it's hard not to be right now)
If we were well-coached and played with energy, this roster should be capable of beating ASU, and have a shot at shocking 1 of the 3 quality teams that will come to Reser this fall. Because we have neither going for us, there is little chance we can beat the Devils, and zero chance that we even remotely compete with 'furd, UW or Colorado.
I don't think that ASU is very good, but we invent new ways each game to stink the place up on offense, defense and special teams.
On the road, we have very little chance of winning against Wilcox's D and Baldwin's offense in Berkeley, or in the Palouse. A Civil War win, IMO, would be slightly less likely than Cal, and about as likely as winning in Pullman. We have zero chance of coming close against USC in the Coliseum. This leaves only Arizona as the remotest of possible W's. However, since CGA has never won a road game here, the chances of pulling this off in the desert are slim to none.
To summarize, we have 4 games against teams in which it will be basically impossible to win given the state of our program. We have 2 other opponents that are better than us by so much that it would be a major upset to beat, and a third that is far more creative and better-coached than us, making it unlikely that we can hang with them. This leaves the Arizona schools as our only realistic shot for 2-10 (or 3-9). Taking in account that whole zero road wins thing, the only legit possibility would seem to be ASU, and by 11/18 that may not seem attainable either.
Let's all pack out Reser (joining the other 5,000 fans who will be there), and provide that DairyMart "Home Field Advantage" that can help the Beavs get that elusive second win. Let's just keep trusting the process. We can do this (well, I avoided cynicism until the second to last sentence)
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 9, 2017 23:43:56 GMT -8
I'm not even trying to be cynical (though it's hard not to be right now) If we were well-coached and played with energy, this roster should be capable of beating ASU, and have a shot at shocking 1 of the 3 quality teams that will come to Reser this fall. Because we have neither going for us, there is little chance we can beat the Devils, and zero chance that we even remotely compete with 'furd, UW or Colorado. I don't think that ASU is very good, but we invent new ways each game to stink the place up on offense, defense and special teams. On the road, we have very little chance of winning against Tedford and Baldwin's offense in Berkeley, or in the Palouse. A Civil War win, IMO, would be slightly less likely than Cal, and about as likely as winning in Pullman. We have zero chance of coming close against USC in the Coliseum. This leaves only Arizona as the remotest of possible W's. However, since CGA has never won a road game here, the chances of pulling this off in the desert are slim to none. To summarize, we have 4 games against teams in which it will be basically impossible to win given the state of our program. We have 3 other opponents that are better than us by so much that it would be a major upset to beat. This leaves the Arizona schools as our only realistic shot for 2-10 (or 3-9). Taking in account that whole zero road wins thing, the only legit possibility would seem to be ASU, and by 11/18 that may not seem attainable either. Let's all pack out Reser (joining the other 5,000 fans who will be there), and provide that DairyMart "Home Field Advantage" that can help the Beavs get that elusive second win. Let's just keep trusting the process. We can do this (well, I avoided cynicism until the second to last sentence) If Falk does not start, Oregon State has a chance against the Cougs. Stanford looks like a shell of a team that only beat Oregon State by 11 last year. The Arizonas each lost: Arizona to Houston by 3 in Tucson, and Arizona State lost to San Diego State (Rocky Long) by 10 in Tempe. The other games look like losses at this point........... |
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Post by beavadelic on Sept 10, 2017 7:31:04 GMT -8
I'm not even trying to be cynical (though it's hard not to be right now) If we were well-coached and played with energy, this roster should be capable of beating ASU, and have a shot at shocking 1 of the 3 quality teams that will come to Reser this fall. Because we have neither going for us, there is little chance we can beat the Devils, and zero chance that we even remotely compete with 'furd, UW or Colorado. I don't think that ASU is very good, but we invent new ways each game to stink the place up on offense, defense and special teams. On the road, we have very little chance of winning against Tedford and Baldwin's offense in Berkeley, or in the Palouse. A Civil War win, IMO, would be slightly less likely than Cal, and about as likely as winning in Pullman. We have zero chance of coming close against USC in the Coliseum. This leaves only Arizona as the remotest of possible W's. However, since CGA has never won a road game here, the chances of pulling this off in the desert are slim to none. To summarize, we have 4 games against teams in which it will be basically impossible to win given the state of our program. We have 3 other opponents that are better than us by so much that it would be a major upset to beat. This leaves the Arizona schools as our only realistic shot for 2-10 (or 3-9). Taking in account that whole zero road wins thing, the only legit possibility would seem to be ASU, and by 11/18 that may not seem attainable either. Let's all pack out Reser (joining the other 5,000 fans who will be there), and provide that DairyMart "Home Field Advantage" that can help the Beavs get that elusive second win. Let's just keep trusting the process. We can do this (well, I avoided cynicism until the second to last sentence) If Falk does not start, Oregon State has a chance against the Cougs. Stanford looks like a shell of a team that only beat Oregon State by 11 last year. The Arizonas each lost: Arizona to Houston by 3 in Tucson, and Arizona State lost to San Diego State (Rocky Long) by 10 in Tempe. The other games look like losses at this point........... It looked like the Cougs came back and won against a much better team than us without Falk, and it's in the Palouse. That would an amazing turn of events or us to win there. Stanford is so physical, even with less talent than usual (and SC is loaded), and we can't deal with physical. I feel that the Arizonas, but recent history would lead me to feel that both Houston and San Diego St. are better than Minnesota. We'll see! |
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Post by rilesinnewberg on Sept 10, 2017 8:35:09 GMT -8
Going to Pullman has always had some odd happenings, so who knows? They seem to play for each other up there, but Luke did not look real happy at the end, and seemed disengaged in huddles. Not sure what his injury was, so if concussion that would explain his actions.
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Post by ee1990 on Sept 10, 2017 8:44:45 GMT -8
Arizona is a road game, so that's out. The only shot is vs ASU.
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Post by ee1990 on Sept 10, 2017 8:49:57 GMT -8
If Falk does not start, Oregon State has a chance against the Cougs. Stanford looks like a shell of a team that only beat Oregon State by 11 last year. The Arizonas each lost: Arizona to Houston by 3 in Tucson, and Arizona State lost to San Diego State (Rocky Long) by 10 in Tempe. The other games look like losses at this point........... It looked like the Cougs came back and won against a much better team than us without Falk, and it's in the Palouse. That would an amazing turn of events or us to win there. Stanford is so physical, even with less talent than usual (and SC is loaded), and we can't deal with physical. I feel that the Arizonas, but recent history would lead me to feel that both Houston and San Diego St. are better than Minnesota. We'll see! WSU's backup QB can spin it. He had a much better day than anything Luton has done and he had to come in cold. They also kinda play defense up there now too. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 10, 2017 9:08:45 GMT -8
I was a 2-10 to 4-8 "believer" before the Fall camp. The 3M debacle lead me to a 3-9 cap with one of those W's being a game OSU "falls" into, we play better than we have all season and Cal, Zona, or ASU just have a terrible day. I still think one of those games happens. AND... it's my worst nightmare. The GA supporter will be out in force proclaiming that it's a "step forward", the "process" has begun, "one more year to get his players", "2018 is the year"... and all it will be is a new shade of lipstick... and the Admin will use it as the crux of keeping him around.
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 10, 2017 13:15:00 GMT -8
I was a 2-10 to 4-8 "believer" before the Fall camp. The 3M debacle lead me to a 3-9 cap with one of those W's being a game OSU "falls" into, we play better than we have all season and Cal, Zona, or ASU just have a terrible day. I still think one of those games happens. AND... it's my worst nightmare. The GA supporter will be out in force proclaiming that it's a "step forward", the "process" has begun, "one more year to get his players", "2018 is the year"... and all it will be is a new shade of lipstick... and the Admin will use it as the crux of keeping him around. Not sure. I posted a few times for a CGA supporter to step out and tell me why that performance was acceptable and had no takers. Anyone? Buehler? |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 10, 2017 13:22:14 GMT -8
Arizona is a road game, so that's out. The only shot is vs ASU. Oregon State has only lost in Tucson once (2015) since 1997. Unless the fans show up in force, Tucson tends to play more like a neutral site game. Oregon State usually plays Arizona State well at home. This is particularly true, if there is weather or the temperatures drop. Rich Rodriguez and Todd Graham are on two of the three (Mora's seat probably falling behind Graham's and ahead of Rodriguez') hottest seats in the Pac-12. Things look desperate here, but they are probably worse in Tempe and Tucson. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 10, 2017 13:43:20 GMT -8
It looked like the Cougs came back and won against a much better team than us without Falk, and it's in the Palouse. That would an amazing turn of events or us to win there. Stanford is so physical, even with less talent than usual (and SC is loaded), and we can't deal with physical. I feel that the Arizonas, but recent history would lead me to feel that both Houston and San Diego St. are better than Minnesota. We'll see! WSU's backup QB can spin it. He had a much better day than anything Luton has done and he had to come in cold. They also kinda play defense up there now too. Injuries always complicate things. If Falk is hurt, he may still try and gut it out, which could cause Washington State problems. Plus, there may be a Falk-friendly contingent that may not try as hard for Hilinski. Leach may be a good enough coach that the Cougars do not miss a beat, but QB injuries have buried much better teams than Washington State. If you were looking for Oregon State to be competitive with Washington State, the Boise State-Washington State went about as well as you could hope: close game, overtime, and with a head injury to the starting QB. |
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Post by gobeavs92 on Sept 10, 2017 14:01:32 GMT -8
I'm not even trying to be cynical (though it's hard not to be right now) If we were well-coached and played with energy, this roster should be capable of beating ASU, and have a shot at shocking 1 of the 3 quality teams that will come to Reser this fall. Because we have neither going for us, there is little chance we can beat the Devils, and zero chance that we even remotely compete with 'furd, UW or Colorado. I don't think that ASU is very good, but we invent new ways each game to stink the place up on offense, defense and special teams. On the road, we have very little chance of winning against Wilcox's D and Baldwin's offense in Berkeley, or in the Palouse. A Civil War win, IMO, would be slightly less likely than Cal, and about as likely as winning in Pullman. We have zero chance of coming close against USC in the Coliseum. This leaves only Arizona as the remotest of possible W's. However, since CGA has never won a road game here, the chances of pulling this off in the desert are slim to none. To summarize, we have 4 games against teams in which it will be basically impossible to win given the state of our program. We have 2 other opponents that are better than us by so much that it would be a major upset to beat, and a third that is far more creative and better-coached than us, making it unlikely that we can hang with them. This leaves the Arizona schools as our only realistic shot for 2-10 (or 3-9). Taking in account that whole zero road wins thing, the only legit possibility would seem to be ASU, and by 11/18 that may not seem attainable either. Let's all pack out Reser (joining the other 5,000 fans who will be there), and provide that DairyMart "Home Field Advantage" that can help the Beavs get that elusive second win. Let's just keep trusting the process. We can do this (well, I avoided cynicism until the second to last sentence) Here's my opinion on your question. Short answer is I don't think we will win another game this season but that is using what I have seen so far this season and extrapolating from that. And to be honest, I really don't think it matters who the opponent is. I'm just being realistic, not negative. Now, there is a caveat here. One area I disagree with you here is when you say: "If we were well-coached and played with energy, this roster should be capable of beating ASU, and have a shot at shocking 1 of the 3 quality teams that will come to Reser this fall". I say that we could not only do that but win 6 or more games total this season, IF....we were well coached and played inspired football. I have no doubt in my mind. My point being is that this is not a lack of talent issue as much as it is a lack of quality leadership issue. But "good coaching" does fundamentals at all times but more importantly, ALWAYS dissect and manage the little details. So basics like; re routes on D, setting the edge (contain), not fielding punts inside your own 10 yard line, changing snap counts/cadence, not having key starters doing duel work in high impact areas when you have others available, using your strengths on offense, rushing at least 4 in a base situation, practicing ball security all the time.... those are just basics. But then if you do the basics well, you can concentrate on other details to help take advantages of personnel, opponent techniques, tendencies, etc. Unfortunately, we can't even get the basics down, so..... Go Beavs! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 16:02:34 GMT -8
The offense will get a spark when Collins comes back, that's at least 1 guy you can count on to play with energy. Beavs have no deep threat and its let the safeties cheat up on the run. Will collins be a difference maker to put more points on the board?
The defense was decent sometimes yesterday. One of these games the offense may put a flurry of points up abd stake the beavs to a big lead. A win becomes possible if the defense plays out in front. I expect it to happen at least once.
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Post by zebraworks on Sept 10, 2017 16:57:54 GMT -8
Anything could happen of course but I think there is very low odds of winning again. We are horrible defensively and poor on offense and special teams
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Post by orangemocha on Sept 10, 2017 19:18:20 GMT -8
Anything could happen of course but I think there is very low odds of winning again. We are horrible defensively and poor on offense and special teams What the team lacks in size, is made up by being slow. |
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