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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 15:34:29 GMT -8
Let's say that the Beavs get smashed by Fleck's Gophers.
And let's say that the Ducks smash Riley's Cornhuskers.
And let's say that these are the last straws for both universities and OSU lets GA go and Nebraska lets Riley go.
Would we rush out to try to get Riley back? Why or why not?
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 4, 2017 15:41:43 GMT -8
I love Coach Riley, but no. You can't keep reaching to the past. You have to make a great decision and act decisively. The great ones are bold, and do just that. For years Alabama had to have a "Bama Man". More often than not it ended in mediocrity. Satan is outside what their comfort zone was. OSU would be better served to move forward but to make a great choice.
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Post by zebraworks on Sept 4, 2017 15:43:56 GMT -8
Need a young coach that is hungry
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Post by beaverbeliever on Sept 4, 2017 15:51:36 GMT -8
So in your (not going to happen) scenario, you would suggest we should go out and hire someone who failed at Nebraska, despite all of those resources?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 4, 2017 15:58:24 GMT -8
I'd have kept him, but it's time for a fresh start if Coach A doesn't work out.
I'm starting to think no coach should stay put longer than 6-8 years unless they are winning championships. If for anything, to keep their careers a challenge.
I think if Riley can survive this season he'll be set for 4 or 5 pretty good seasons and can pass things on to someone.
Of the "older" coaches, I'd look at Tedford. I think he'll be a hot property after this season and I think he's got anotoher 6-7 year good stretch in the tank before he should move on.
If that couldn't happen I'd shoot for someone in their early 40's that probably wants to use OSU as a 3-4 year stepping stone. They'll want to win, and win fast. If they're successful, try to keep them for and extra 3-4 years then do it again.
I'm thinking the "coach for life" mentality sounds great but in reality might lead to some complacency on everybody's part- coaches, schools and fans.
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Post by beavadelic on Sept 4, 2017 16:48:16 GMT -8
I love Coach Riley, but no. You can't keep reaching to the past. You have to make a great decision and act decisively. The great ones are bold, and do just that. For years Alabama had to have a "Bama Man". More often than not it ended in mediocrity. Satan is outside what their comfort zone was. OSU would be better served to move forward but to make a great choice. Couldn't resist, Spudbeaver...Satan is outside my comfort zone too! I hate that predictive feature sometimes - LOL. As for having Coach Riley come back, I just don't think that would work. It would be the third time around, and given that some of our fan base vilified him last time he was here, he would be a polarizing figure. Despite the fact that he's a great man, a proven quality coach, and our program will forever be indebted to him for what he did to change the persona of OSU football, we need fresh and younger. The new coach (IMO) needs to be in the 35-45 year old range with legit experience, a high level of energy, and a vision for OSU football that prepares us to be relevant in the future even as they do the significant work of stabilizing us and articulating a clear identity in the present. Right now, we have none of the above!
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Post by orangeblood on Sept 4, 2017 16:51:06 GMT -8
Mike Riley is as nice a man as you could hope to meet, but no! It is a matter of principle and self-respect. If your girlfriend jilts you twice, why would you welcome her back again? .....unless she's REALLY, REALLY HOT, which Mike is not.
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Post by lebaneaver on Sept 4, 2017 17:21:31 GMT -8
We've been on a downward trajectory since '09....after the loss to the schmucks for the roses. That's ahelluva long time. Riley was done, here. I'm not convinced Andersen is the answer. Maybe there IS no answer. I dunno.
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Post by nabeav on Sept 4, 2017 17:40:55 GMT -8
I think you're all just assuming Riley would want to come back. I think he's done.
And no, I don't want him back either. I would like him as the friendly old coach that rides his bike over to practice and offers advice and institutional knowledge, a la Jimmy Anderson.
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 4, 2017 17:53:31 GMT -8
So in your (not going to happen) scenario, you would suggest we should go out and hire someone who failed at Nebraska, despite all of those resources? Um, "hypothetically". "Would we....". No, it's pretty clear he's not suggesting.
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Post by nforkbeav on Sept 4, 2017 17:54:33 GMT -8
So in your (not going to happen) scenario, you would suggest we should go out and hire someone who failed at Nebraska, despite all of those resources? He won a bowl game over a P12 his first season. Won 9 games second season. Is undefeated this season. If that's failure, we could sure use some failure like that around here right about now.
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Post by 93beav on Sept 4, 2017 18:03:33 GMT -8
I'd like to have someone who knows how to pick a DC who can handle any of the "new" *cough recycled* offenses.
I'd like to have a defense that people on the other team feared.
I'd like to have a defense that can actually produce a sack a game. Maybe even, gasp, multiple sacks a game.
At one point Riley and Banker pulled off those feats. Those days are gone.
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Post by beavadelic on Sept 4, 2017 18:40:22 GMT -8
I'd have kept him, but it's time for a fresh start if Coach A doesn't work out. I'm starting to think no coach should stay put longer than 6-8 years unless they are winning championships. If for anything, to keep their careers a challenge. I think if Riley can survive this season he'll be set for 4 or 5 pretty good seasons and can pass things on to someone. Of the "older" coaches, I'd look at Tedford. I think he'll be a hot property after this season and I think he's got anotoher 6-7 year good stretch in the tank before he should move on. If that couldn't happen I'd shoot for someone in their early 40's that probably wants to use OSU as a 3-4 year stepping stone. They'll want to win, and win fast. If they're successful, try to keep them for and extra 3-4 years then do it again. I'm thinking the "coach for life" mentality sounds great but in reality might lead to some complacency on everybody's part- coaches, schools and fans. I hadn't thought about the concept of everyone moving on after 6 or 7 years as a healthy practice. I've always figured that "if it's not broke, don't fix it". Maybe it sort of is that way in what you discuss here - if coaches are routinely winning a at least challenging for championships, there might not be reason to leave, but for most coaches and programs, a fresh start periodically is good for both.
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Post by fridaynightlights on Sept 4, 2017 19:35:29 GMT -8
It seems fairly obvious that Riley is the placeholder for Scott Frost and will be at Nebraska for a few more years at which time he will retire or be let go. This is assuming Frost is successful at UCF. I would be surprised if Nebraska is not Riley's last job.
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Post by ag87 on Sept 4, 2017 19:41:37 GMT -8
It seems fairly obvious that Riley is the placeholder for Scott Frost and will be at Nebraska for a few more years at which time he will retire or be let go. This is assuming Frost is successful at UCF. I would be surprised if Nebraska is not Riley's last job. Agreed. Frost obviously has to have serious success at UCF. And there is a decent chance Riley will get them at least to a Big10 title game once or twice in the interim. Finally, he is a gentleman and they needed that after Bo.
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