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Post by 93beav on Sept 2, 2017 14:43:37 GMT -8
Bingo. If we were a big boy program, there would be defensive coaching changes this week. See: our win against Wisconsin 5-10 years back, when we held Monte Ball to 40 yards. Bielma fired his o-line coach the following week. But we won't make any changes. We'll stay the course. Watch. Please, for the love of all things holy, stop using that asinine term big boy...I know it's GA's catch-all phrase. Just for spud, our defense sucks. Hoover is going to come with an OSU model soon, it's so powerful. |
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Post by 93beav on Sept 2, 2017 14:44:21 GMT -8
"some things take time" That is what I kept telling myself during our 28 year straight years of losing. I could not stop laughing at that. Thank you for making the day a bit brighter. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 2, 2017 14:52:46 GMT -8
Bingo. If we were a big boy program, there would be defensive coaching changes this week. See: our win against Wisconsin 5-10 years back, when we held Monte Ball to 40 yards. Bielma fired his o-line coach the following week. But we won't make any changes. We'll stay the course. Watch. The problem is with the head coach, not the coordinators or the assistants. Oregon State does not have the talent to run the defense that it is trying to run at this level, which is problematic, because this is year three. I was thinking that Oregon State has won exactly seven games so far under CGA. Three were against FCS opponents. One was against the 8th best Pac-12 team, who fired their coach at the end of the year. Another was against a team who tied for 10th in the Pac-12 and fired their coach at the end of the year. A third was against the eighth best Mountain West team, who fired their coach the following year. The final win was against the 12th best Pac-12 team Andersen has ten games to win two games. There are five winnable games. If Andersen can't get to 3-9, he needs to go for the good of the team. |
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Post by ochobeavo on Sept 2, 2017 15:17:18 GMT -8
Honest question on defense -
Do we blitz? Like ever? Are we blitzing and I'm not noticing? Have we decided blitzing is weak ass small time football - sort of like North Carolina's opinion on bunting?
I'm watching Michigan/Florida and I think Michigan brought guys from 3 different spots on 3 consecutive plays. Seemed effective.
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Post by nabeav on Sept 2, 2017 15:50:44 GMT -8
Leach was 3-9 his third year things take time. Pretty sure Leach also made a bowl game year two. Makes a 3-9 year 3 a little more palatable when you at least have a winning season under your belt. Given what we saw today it might take us 3 years to get enough cumulative wins to be bowl eligible. |
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Post by zebraworks on Sept 2, 2017 16:06:43 GMT -8
Bingo!! and not by wins against our own conference opponents either! let's face it Riley took us to the level of not being competitive and GA has proven he can't get us competitive again. Nice try coach, next man up. f |
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 2, 2017 16:27:44 GMT -8
So let's imagine some way out of this mess. I know what i am going to say may offend some and astound others but here goes: Let's roll back to when Dave Baldwin was Gary's OC. That didn't work. Gary knew it and swapped out for Kevin McGiven. So McGiven. not awesome results HOWEVER, this year point total is up so far and it's not a coincidence that throwing the ball is part of this. We don't win today without the Luton to Hodgins missile. There was nobody to throw that pass and Baldwin wouldnt have thought to even try. Mcmaryion-berry might have been able to throw a pass to Hodgins but it wouldnt have been a missile and anyway he is not around. The process is working just a little bit on offense. NO IT'S NOT PERFECT. but that drive could have been a sh!tshow and instead it was the game winner. Back to the imagination part. This probably won't happen but what if CGA says, "hey know what Clune? You are the new linebackers coach. We have to get another system installed. This one is no bueno." If this happens soon enough and the defense is actually defensive again, then the process is working. Shoot away That would not be the process working... just another revamp of schemes and staff assignments... that may or may NOT work. It may quell the "MR too loyal" types, but truthfully how many "redos" should a HC get before it's obvious he's not a fit to lead a P5 program? He's not going to get fired unless dime immense big booster(s) put pressure on the admin. Not sure if we have that type of booster?? But, if he goes 3-9 or worse he'll have to make some major staff moves. |
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Post by beavsaregood on Sept 2, 2017 16:38:24 GMT -8
yeah. mike leach was 6-6 in year two. mike leach is a guru dude. he's air raid all the way. he knows everything about it. he knows what personnel to use. you know what to expect from him. you see "process" in even his losing seasons at wazzu. you seen many times on tv when doing a great job at ttech. he knows what he's doing. a little crrrazy different but football-wise, pretty damn bright.
again, you cannot compare cga to mike leach. CGA is........not a guru of any sort. i mean take a look at his offense. and the qb carousel. and then, take a look at CGA's coordinators. i have zero confidence in him. i'd definitely have more confidence in mike leach even in losing years. i know what he's going to do.
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 2, 2017 20:59:53 GMT -8
Honest question on defense - Do we blitz? Like ever? Are we blitzing and I'm not noticing? Have we decided blitzing is weak ass small time football - sort of like North Carolina's opinion on bunting? I'm watching Michigan/Florida and I think Michigan brought guys from 3 different spots on 3 consecutive plays. Seemed effective. We do blitz. More it seemed in the CSU game. The problem is we don't get there in time. My son (16) and I were talking tonight about how much better and more frequent Alabama's blitzes were. Sure they're better all around. But we also noticed they always seem to get through the line, while our guys run in to engaged linemen. Simple, but true. |
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Post by orangeattack on Sept 3, 2017 20:16:34 GMT -8
Honest question on defense - Do we blitz? Like ever? Are we blitzing and I'm not noticing? Have we decided blitzing is weak ass small time football - sort of like North Carolina's opinion on bunting? I'm watching Michigan/Florida and I think Michigan brought guys from 3 different spots on 3 consecutive plays. Seemed effective. We do blitz. More it seemed in the CSU game. The problem is we don't get there in time. My son (16) and I were talking tonight about how much better and more frequent Alabama's blitzes were. Sure they're better all around. But we also noticed they always seem to get through the line, while our guys run in to engaged linemen. Simple, but true. our DL is not consistently penetrating to the heels of the interior OL. This was the case from what I saw against Portland State. The nose guard should be way too much for the center to handle one on one. That's not happening. And our strong side end is getting blown off the ball. The guards are being let loose to the second level and our smallish linebackers are struggling to get off blocks. Plays are making it all the way to the third level way, way too often. Games are won and lost in the trenches, and we have problems with our horses this year. Sure Luton could get some pressure off by dropping some dimes in, but we're asking a bit much of the kid and he's a little shell-shocked it seems to me. Maybe the reason why DG is playing in so many designed packages. Elu comes back and that's a boost but man.. our center on the OL is a converted defensive tackle. He's still picking up game speed. What happened to Kammy Delp? Wasn't he a guy Cav was salivating over at center? Ugh this is a trainwreck to watch all the way around. |
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Post by nforkbeav on Sept 3, 2017 20:28:33 GMT -8
Honest question on defense - Do we blitz? Like ever? Are we blitzing and I'm not noticing? Have we decided blitzing is weak ass small time football - sort of like North Carolina's opinion on bunting? I'm watching Michigan/Florida and I think Michigan brought guys from 3 different spots on 3 consecutive plays. Seemed effective. If you don't have the speed or strength to blitz effectively, calling a blitz leaves a big hole that can be exposed by the offense on the backside and can lead to big explosion plays. Timing and disguise can help when you lack the horses, but again it also opens you up for exploitation by a good QB. If you feel your chance of giving up a big play by blitzing is as likely or even more likely than getting a tfl, rushed bad throw, or pressure turnover, well do the math. In that scenario, the math says blitzing = more bad than good. |
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Post by ochobeavo on Sept 4, 2017 8:25:37 GMT -8
Honest question on defense - Do we blitz? Like ever? Are we blitzing and I'm not noticing? Have we decided blitzing is weak ass small time football - sort of like North Carolina's opinion on bunting? I'm watching Michigan/Florida and I think Michigan brought guys from 3 different spots on 3 consecutive plays. Seemed effective. If you don't have the speed or strength to blitz effectively, calling a blitz leaves a big hole that can be exposed by the offense on the backside and can lead to big explosion plays. Timing and disguise can help when you lack the horses, but again it also opens you up for exploitation by a good QB. If you feel your chance of giving up a big play by blitzing is as likely or even more likely than getting a tfl, rushed bad throw, or pressure turnover, well do the math. In that scenario, the math says blitzing = more bad than good. Except in 2017 real life our base defense is doing a great job giving up big plays. Obviously get what you're saying though... |
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Post by vhalum92 on Sept 4, 2017 12:30:03 GMT -8
So, I'm no expert on the 3-4 defense, so my questions are .....
Why do we play a 4 man front so often? They seem to walk the outside backer off the line so far.
Why are we so happy rushing 3 lineman? It going to be hard to get sacks with a 3 man rush.
More so in the csu game our cline was "off" the ball by almost a yard.
And for the love of all things holy why can't we set an edge and contain the run?
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Post by orangeattack on Sept 4, 2017 13:39:16 GMT -8
So, I'm no expert on the 3-4 defense, so my questions are ..... Why do we play a 4 man front so often? They seem to walk the outside backer off the line so far. Why are we so happy rushing 3 lineman? It going to be hard to get sacks with a 3 man rush. More so in the csu game our cline was "off" the ball by almost a yard. And for the love of all things holy why can't we set an edge and contain the run? ok I get the idea of having stand-up DL. Especially when you have the 3-4 front. The idea is that when you have somebody like Victor Butler in this defense, you don't know if he's rushing or dropping back into coverage. We've got to have a nose tackle that can take up the center and a guard to make this work though. Rushing 3 never seems to work for anybody though.. I'm with you on this. That's prevent defense. I'm thinking that somebody is missing their read and dropping into coverage when they're supposed to be attacking the LOS when that happens but maybe I'm wrong. We aren't setting the edge well because we aren't winning the numbers game up front. The linebackers aren't kept clean and they're getting caught up in the wash - and that's if they aren't being blocked out of the play by an offensive guard coming clean to the second level. There are gaping holes in the middle of the field that a truck could drive through. I can't tell if linebackers are taking bad angles, hitting the wrong gaps, playing on their heels or all of the above but the defense looks flat footed and playing on their heels all the time. It's not good. |
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Post by lebaneaver on Sept 4, 2017 13:50:09 GMT -8
Great analysis, Orange. Plus, remember,.... per the DC...we aren't in gap cancellation mode. We don't EVER shoot to cancel a gap....We don't stunt to gaps... We leave gaps wide, freaking open....and there are several. We don't get off blocks quickly enough. Something in the scheme needs to change in ahelluva hurry. We can't "be patient with the process.... "
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