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Post by metolius on Aug 31, 2017 15:23:53 GMT -8
Did someone change the rules or is it just an OSU thing where rules are invented when something good could happen for us?
If this was covered before and I missed it I apologize. I've watched many a catch be just the momentary [split second] possession of the ball while getting one (college) or two (pro) toes inside the lines. Noah gets his foot, knee firmly on the turf and has possession of the ball - but no TD.
I know that the ref ruled that the ball contacted the turf when he made it to the ground, but in my mind, the TD had already been secured, scored. The announcers and our group all expected a sure TD call - should have known after these many years of being a Beaver fan NOT to expect that...
Was it a good call? Will it be called that way against other teams, say U$C and Whoregon?
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Post by nabeav on Aug 31, 2017 15:28:36 GMT -8
It was not a good call, in my opinion. The way Togiai moved his hand after landing out of bounds made it appear as if he was re-securing the ball after he made contact with the ground, and when viewing it at normal speed, I understand completely why the referee made the assumption that he did not maintain possession as he hit the turf, but upon review it was clear that he never bobbled the ball at all. Why it wasn't overturned is beyond me.
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Post by ag87 on Aug 31, 2017 15:47:39 GMT -8
Often, I think, the replay official is covering for the on field guys. Per that announcing crew, the P5 leagues will have a centrally located replay team this year. I had not heard that. That should lead to quality and consistency.
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Post by ee1990 on Aug 31, 2017 18:00:33 GMT -8
The worse call was on the field. The replay official can always err on the side of "stands as called" instead of taking the risk to overturn a call. Regardless, in the end it was 2 wrong calls.
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Post by beaverbeliever on Aug 31, 2017 19:43:08 GMT -8
All of the national CFB reporters/pundits I follow on twitter were sure it was going to be overturned because it was clearly a catch (was checking since CSU wouldn't show the plays being reviewed). We were robbed, as usual. Two other horrible calls that went against us were correctly overturned by review.
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Post by damright08 on Sept 1, 2017 8:11:05 GMT -8
Didn't get to watch the game live, and haven't been able to muster up the courage to watch the recording yet, but plays like this are something that always irk me. Why is it that a runner with the ball merely has to have the ball cross the plane of the goal line for a score and it doesn't matter what happens when he hits the ground (unless you're last name is Bernard and you're playing U Dub), but a receiver who catches the ball with a foot down in bounds is not ruled a score until he hits the ground with control, runs to the sideline, shakes the coach's hand, and re-ties his shoe?
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Sept 1, 2017 8:19:36 GMT -8
It was only egregious if you are an Oregon State fan.......
Go Beavs
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 1, 2017 8:33:26 GMT -8
In one situation the runner has possession/control of the ball. As long as he is a "runner" and maintains control the ball just had to break the plane = TD and play is over.
A "receiver" does not have possession or control. When he does so outside the endzone he becomes a "runner" and the same applies if the catch is complete and the ball crosses the plane. But, a catch in the endzone the ball has already crossed the plane so the control must be maintained throughout the catch process... and all that entails... one foot/knee for clearly inbounds before another body part is OB, clear stable control of the ball before the ball contacts the ground, maintain control on the ground. The ground can't cause a fumble but can negate a catch. If controlled and ball hits the ground, then control is lost and regained it's just as if the ball hit ground. The same if ball is bobbled after contact with being inbounds.
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Post by caladin on Sept 1, 2017 9:52:40 GMT -8
As I said during the game. Why is everyone surprise. It was a Mountain West game with MW on-field and replay officials. They have a history of robbing Big5 teams of touchdowns. They are major homers for their league who employs them. That said the Pac12 refs are not that much better and perhaps even worse as they are homers for specific teams when it means more $$ for the conference.
The only real solution to these issues is for the NCAA to setup a national pool of on-field and replay refs that are used for all games.
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Post by beaverdave on Sept 1, 2017 10:44:41 GMT -8
What shouldn't be lost in the midst of the poor call was the fact that the offense drove down the field in the 2 minute offense and was successful. That was really nice to see. Had the call gone our way, it may have had an impact on second half momentum, maybe not, but the offense getting into position to score and tie was a great thing.
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Sept 1, 2017 11:18:04 GMT -8
As I said during the game. Why is everyone surprise. It was a Mountain West game with MW on-field and replay officials. They have a history of robbing Big5 teams of touchdowns. They are major homers for their league who employs them. That said the Pac12 refs are not that much better and perhaps even worse as they are homers for specific teams when it means more $$ for the conference. The only real solution to these issues is for the NCAA to setup a national pool of on-field and replay refs that are used for all games. It is my understanding (too lazy to look it up) that the on field crew was the same big-12 crew that worked the NCG last year. The replay guys were probably homers but the crew (who blew the call) were not. Go Beavs!!
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Post by jefframp on Sept 1, 2017 11:26:23 GMT -8
It was not a good call, in my opinion. The way Togiai moved his hand after landing out of bounds made it appear as if he was re-securing the ball after he made contact with the ground, and when viewing it at normal speed, I understand completely why the referee made the assumption that he did not maintain possession as he hit the turf, but upon review it was clear that he never bobbled the ball at all. Why it wasn't overturned is beyond me. I believe that Mountain West replay officials do not have the use of the same replay video that we have with TV. The announcers mentioned something about all or most of the P5 conferences do have access to all of the TV produced replay video but that the MW had not "subscribed" to that (whatever that means). That was the "excuse" as I remember it. Perhaps there is a "fee" involved with having that access that the MW did not want to pay? Just guessing on my part on that.
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Post by TheGlove on Sept 1, 2017 11:42:44 GMT -8
As I said during the game. Why is everyone surprise. It was a Mountain West game with MW on-field and replay officials. They have a history of robbing Big5 teams of touchdowns. They are major homers for their league who employs them. That said the Pac12 refs are not that much better and perhaps even worse as they are homers for specific teams when it means more $$ for the conference. The only real solution to these issues is for the NCAA to setup a national pool of on-field and replay refs that are used for all games. It is my understanding (too lazy to look it up) that the on field crew was the same big-12 crew that worked the NCG last year. The replay guys were probably homers but the crew (who blew the call) were not. Go Beavs!! You, my dentally challenged brother, are correct.
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Post by mbabeav on Sept 1, 2017 14:19:02 GMT -8
Had that been called a TD, rather than an incompletion, it would have stood as a TD. I think it was a bad call, but the video wasn't quite there to overturn.
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 1, 2017 14:28:38 GMT -8
Had that been called a TD, rather than an incompletion, it would have stood as a TD. I think it was a bad call, but the video wasn't quite there to overturn. It actually can be part of the game contract to have an upgraded replay package. Without access to all the angles replay is not really effective. It truly can make the crew look stupid (like some need help) when the broadcast can show a catch but replay can't see that shot. In this day and age not having complete coverage is assnine. You squeak out a $230+ mil stadium with no parking but can't ring the bell for full replay capability?!
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