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Post by nabeav on Aug 30, 2017 8:35:04 GMT -8
Mid October means Colorado game at best....probably Stanford. There's a real chance given what we saw on Saturday that we will be 1-6 going into that Stanford game, making it and every game after it a must win (well for everyone except TheGlove, who will be telling everyone to GTFO after we drop the game to USC in that scenario).
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Post by nabeav on Aug 30, 2017 8:36:37 GMT -8
Aydon is the most over-hyped player I can remember here since people drooled over Obum's physical attributes as a freshman. Aydon has done jack squat since he got on campus, and we keep talking about him like he's an impact player.
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Post by atownbeaver on Aug 30, 2017 8:42:55 GMT -8
Aydon is the most over-hyped player I can remember here since people drooled over Obum's physical attributes as a freshman. Aydon has done jack squat since he got on campus, and we keep talking about him like he's an impact player. To be fair, he plays NT in a 3-4. The sole reason for his existence is to suck up two OL on every snap. His job is to engage the center and one of the guards and draw them both to him. He is not a guy that is going to ever get large sack or TFL numbers. A reflection of his success would be TFLs and sacks from our ILBs.
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Post by nabeav on Aug 30, 2017 8:47:10 GMT -8
Or a solid run defense.
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Post by TheGlove on Aug 30, 2017 9:02:30 GMT -8
Aydon is the most over-hyped player I can remember here since people drooled over Obum's physical attributes as a freshman. Aydon has done jack squat since he got on campus, and we keep talking about him like he's an impact player. To be fair, he plays NT in a 3-4. The sole reason for his existence is to suck up two OL on every snap. His job is to engage the center and one of the guards and draw them both to him. He is not a guy that is going to ever get large sack or TFL numbers. A reflection of his success would be TFLs and sacks from our ILBs. solid football take. Much better than your CGA bashing. 😂
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Post by beaverbeliever on Aug 30, 2017 9:13:41 GMT -8
Aydon is the most over-hyped player I can remember here since people drooled over Obum's physical attributes as a freshman. Aydon has done jack squat since he got on campus, and we keep talking about him like he's an impact player. Your irrational trolling is now to directly attack players. It's gotten tired.
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Post by atownbeaver on Aug 30, 2017 9:30:00 GMT -8
Aydon is the most over-hyped player I can remember here since people drooled over Obum's physical attributes as a freshman. Aydon has done jack squat since he got on campus, and we keep talking about him like he's an impact player. Your irrational trolling is now to directly attack players. It's gotten tired. Your incessant gatekeeping and white-knighting has gotten far more tired. To quote a great rant... THIS IS DIVISION ONE FOOTBALL! THIS AIN'T INTER MURALS BROTHER! our players are playing at the highest possible level of college football. they do not need to be coddled or protected. They understand the magnitude of playing division one football. They will have fans, detractors, morons, crazies, reporters, boosters, alumni, professors... all of the above up in their grill all the time... they get it. they know. if a player sucks, they suck. if they are great they are great. if a coach s%#t the bed, he s%#t the bed, if he called a masterpiece so be it. This is a message board for pete's sake. We comment on things. this player did well, this player sucked. so and so needs to be better. ARGH I can't believe coach did this, or that, or whatever. that type of stuff is the literal reason for its existence. IT IS WHY WE ARE HERE! If nabeav doesn't believe Aydon has done jack squat, that is his opinion. it could be right, wrong, full blown retarded or otherwise... You can offer your own opinion back, and contribute to the board or ignore the comment if it bugs you. ignore button is a thing, and it can be used.
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Post by nabeav on Aug 30, 2017 9:38:38 GMT -8
Wow, I didn't think I went that hard on Aydon. I just said the results haven't matched the hype.
Given the way this board went after Victor Bolden early in the season last year, the numerous posts about McMariyon "not having a D1 arm" and other cracks at players...
Aydon is out there working his tail off as far as I can tell. I just don't understand why he is so ballyhooed. Someone who maybe has experience with D-Line play or who really focuses on that could maybe tell me if he was actually requiring two guys to block him regularly last season. I'd be happy to admit if I was wrong, I just don't think I am.
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Post by biggieorange on Aug 30, 2017 10:30:41 GMT -8
Wow, I didn't think I went that hard on Aydon. I just said the results haven't matched the hype. Given the way this board went after Victor Bolden early in the season last year, the numerous posts about McMariyon "not having a D1 arm" and other cracks at players... Aydon is out there working his tail off as far as I can tell. I just don't understand why he is so ballyhooed. Someone who maybe has experience with D-Line play or who really focuses on that could maybe tell me if he was actually requiring two guys to block him regularly last season. I'd be happy to admit if I was wrong, I just don't think I am. I'm no Dline expert but to my eyes he isn't playing fast or confidently. Is he unable to understand the scheme? Is he not in shape? Is he just not a good a athlete at NT? Are the guys around him not executing their assignments? Is he just froze up a bit by the large stage? A lot of things that impact the effectiveness of a NT.
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Post by baseba1111 on Aug 30, 2017 10:39:02 GMT -8
Wow, I didn't think I went that hard on Aydon. I just said the results haven't matched the hype. Given the way this board went after Victor Bolden early in the season last year, the numerous posts about McMariyon "not having a D1 arm" and other cracks at players... Aydon is out there working his tail off as far as I can tell. I just don't understand why he is so ballyhooed. Someone who maybe has experience with D-Line play or who really focuses on that could maybe tell me if he was actually requiring two guys to block him regularly last season. I'd be happy to admit if I was wrong, I just don't think I am. I'm no Dline expert but to my eyes he isn't playing fast or confidently. Is he unable to understand the scheme? Is he not in shape? Is he just not a good a athlete at NT? Are the guys around him not executing their assignments? Is he just froze up a bit by the large stage? A lot of things that impact the effectiveness of a NT. The biggest factor may not be coaching. I equate NT to a great rebounder... high motor, lives in the trenches and loves contact, a bit (or a lot) "dirty", and doesn't have a self esteem issue cuz others get more pub. Whatever the issue be hasn't produced.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 30, 2017 15:41:43 GMT -8
I was at the game and didn't see him go down, but was told it was in the second series. He's the key to our defensive line, and I'd say the results without him proved that out. Back to Aydon, I get that we need him and we absolutely need depth, but to my untrained eye, Kalani V is a much better DT. I'd be more worried if he was dinged up. Disclaimer- I was a HS defensive back/WR decoy, so I don't know jack really... I've thought since fairly early on that Kalani has actually been playing fairly well. If Aydon plays up to that level he'd be pretty solid, not sure if he's there yet. This reminds me of the days everyone was going on about Eric Manning while Dwan Edwards was playing so solidly. Dwan ended up with a 12/13 year NFL career I'm thinking. If Aydon can play to the level of coverage he's been getting on this board the last year or so, the Beavs could have a pretty solid interior line.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 30, 2017 15:47:31 GMT -8
Wow, I didn't think I went that hard on Aydon. I just said the results haven't matched the hype. Given the way this board went after Victor Bolden early in the season last year, the numerous posts about McMariyon "not having a D1 arm" and other cracks at players... Aydon is out there working his tail off as far as I can tell. I just don't understand why he is so ballyhooed. Someone who maybe has experience with D-Line play or who really focuses on that could maybe tell me if he was actually requiring two guys to block him regularly last season. I'd be happy to admit if I was wrong, I just don't think I am. I'm no Dline expert but to my eyes he isn't playing fast or confidently. Is he unable to understand the scheme? Is he not in shape? Is he just not a good a athlete at NT? Are the guys around him not executing their assignments? Is he just froze up a bit by the large stage? A lot of things that impact the effectiveness of a NT. Elu Aydon is a huge body and takes up a lot of territory, which is a good thing. His 40 time coming in was almost 3 tenths of a second slower than Kalani V's, that's a noticeable difference. It would be interesting to see if there's a difference in quickness, it's not like they have to run 40 yards each play.
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 30, 2017 16:05:22 GMT -8
I'm no Dline expert but to my eyes he isn't playing fast or confidently. Is he unable to understand the scheme? Is he not in shape? Is he just not a good a athlete at NT? Are the guys around him not executing their assignments? Is he just froze up a bit by the large stage? A lot of things that impact the effectiveness of a NT. Elu Aydon is a huge body and takes up a lot of territory, which is a good thing. His 40 time coming in was almost 3 tenths of a second slower than Kalani V's, that's a noticeable difference. It would be interesting to see if there's a difference in quickness, it's not like they have to run 40 yards each play. Except in pursuit at CSU. Sorry, that was a cheap shot.
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Post by abureid on Aug 30, 2017 20:30:26 GMT -8
I think I remember Aydon admittedly came into camp out of shape. I would not doubt it that he has yet to get into game shape.
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