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Post by chinmusic on Aug 12, 2017 14:57:58 GMT -8
John Manuel from Baseball America reported this today, August 12th.
"Rasmussen, didn't pass a physical with the Rays and confirmed that he's headed back to Oregon State.
However, two doctors who have examined Rasmussen have advised him to have a second surgery on his elbow, which already has had one ligament replacement surgery. A second one could be performed as early as this week.
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Question - If Drew follows the Orthopedist's advice, what does that mean in terms of rehab and any possibility of him playing in 2018? It sounds like this would be the same surgical procedure as the first one but with a different ligament involved.
I don't know who examined him, but it might not be a bad idea to have a full workup at UCLA's Kerlan-Jobe Clinic or with Dr. Mickey Andrews in Birmingham. This could be career altering.
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Post by jdogge on Aug 12, 2017 16:23:29 GMT -8
John Manuel from Baseball America reported this today, August 12th. "Rasmussen, didn't pass a physical with the Rays and confirmed that he's headed back to Oregon State. However, two doctors who have examined Rasmussen have advised him to have a second surgery on his elbow, which already has had one ligament replacement surgery. A second one could be performed as early as this week. " Question - If Drew follows the Orthopedist's advice, what does that mean in terms of rehab and any possibility of him playing in 2018? It sounds like this would be the same surgical procedure as the first one but with a different ligament involved. I don't know who examined him, but it might not be a bad idea to have a full workup at UCLA's Kerlan-Jobe Clinic or with Dr. Mickey Andrews in Birmingham. This could be career altering. It means he came back too early. It means that this time, he'll be out a full 18 months which was what should have happened this time. It means that whatever doctor cleared him to pitch after 12 months likely faces a serious malpractice suit. It means that -- very likely -- his MLB career is over because second surgeries and not nearly as successful as the first one. |
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Post by eugenedave on Aug 12, 2017 18:44:56 GMT -8
It is way too premature to speculate on Drew's recovery from a possible surgery. And to infer malpractice is ridiculous at this point in time too.
Oregon State and Drew did what they thought was the right thing. Sometimes, $hit happens.
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Post by avidbeaver on Aug 12, 2017 19:24:23 GMT -8
John Manuel from Baseball America reported this today, August 12th. "Rasmussen, didn't pass a physical with the Rays and confirmed that he's headed back to Oregon State. However, two doctors who have examined Rasmussen have advised him to have a second surgery on his elbow, which already has had one ligament replacement surgery. A second one could be performed as early as this week. " Question - If Drew follows the Orthopedist's advice, what does that mean in terms of rehab and any possibility of him playing in 2018? It sounds like this would be the same surgical procedure as the first one but with a different ligament involved. I don't know who examined him, but it might not be a bad idea to have a full workup at UCLA's Kerlan-Jobe Clinic or with Dr. Mickey Andrews in Birmingham. This could be career altering. It means he came back too early. It means that this time, he'll be out a full 18 months which was what should have happened this time. It means that whatever doctor cleared him to pitch after 12 months likely faces a serious malpractice suit. It means that -- very likely -- his MLB career is over because second surgeries and not as successful as the first one. What kind of surgery did they recommend? Is it a full ucl repair? To say that would be that he tore the ucl again. Could it be that the first surgery didn't make the elbow strong enough for the wear and tear of pitching? To say he came back too early is speculative. We will find out soon enough. I doubt that only one doctor cleared Rasmussen to pitch this last season. I am sure it was more than one doctors opinion. |
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Post by jdogge on Aug 12, 2017 22:02:49 GMT -8
It means he came back too early. It means that this time, he'll be out a full 18 months which was what should have happened this time. It means that whatever doctor cleared him to pitch after 12 months likely faces a serious malpractice suit. It means that -- very likely -- his MLB career is over because second surgeries and not as successful as the first one. What kind of surgery did they recommend? Is it a full ucl repair? To say that would be that he tore the ucl again. Could it be that the first surgery didn't make the elbow strong enough for the wear and tear of pitching? To say he came back too early is speculative. We will find out soon enough. I doubt that only one doctor cleared Rasmussen to pitch this last season. I am sure it was more than one doctors opinion. It's not speculative. Andrews established a protocol that, for young UCL repair patients, a full 18 months of rehabilitation is necessary. For older, RE: late 20s-30s, it's 15 months. It's not speculative. He came back too quickly. |
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Post by avidbeaver on Aug 13, 2017 19:31:41 GMT -8
In this article Andrews answers questions about ucl repair. One question is about how long it takes for a pitcher to return to competition. Andrews said it is 12 to 16 months. This article is from a couple of years back. He said it can vary from player to player. So, the timetable quoted above doesn't hold up against the answer Andrews gave in the article. The article is two years old. Now he did also say the time can vary from player to player but the average time is 12 to 16 months. So, that would be in the window of Rasmussens return. There is other information in the article linked below. encorerehab.wordpress.com/2015/07/30/dr-james-andrews-answers-your-faqs-on-tommy-john-surgery-via-mlb-com/ |
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Post by jdogge on Aug 13, 2017 20:05:28 GMT -8
In this article Andrews answers questions about ucl repair. One question is about how long it takes for a pitcher to return to competition. Andrews said it is 12 to 16 months. This article is from a couple of years back. He said it can vary from player to player. So, the timetable quoted above doesn't hold up against the answer Andrews gave in the article. The article is two years old. Now he did also say the time can vary from player to player but the average time is 12 to 16 months. So, that would be in the window of Rasmussens return. There is other information in the article linked below. encorerehab.wordpress.com/2015/07/30/dr-james-andrews-answers-your-faqs-on-tommy-john-surgery-via-mlb-com/Yeah, I read that one. But about a year ago he modified that especially with regards to young pitchers. I'll see if I can find it. |
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Post by avidbeaver on Aug 13, 2017 20:18:50 GMT -8
Regardless of what Andrews now recommends, there is various opinions on the subject by other notable doctors. I don't think there is a sure way of predicting time of recovery or recommended time of recovery. Consulting multiple doctors before coming back is a good idea. I think that is what happened in Rasmussens case. The full story will eventually come out. What was the procedure the two doctors recommended? I don't think it was a full reconstruction but like I said the facts will come out. I am not convinced either way due to the various opinions by doctors in that particular field.
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Post by blueheron on Sept 8, 2017 18:23:28 GMT -8
John Manuel from Baseball America reported this today, August 12th. "Rasmussen, didn't pass a physical with the Rays and confirmed that he's headed back to Oregon State. However, two doctors who have examined Rasmussen have advised him to have a second surgery on his elbow, which already has had one ligament replacement surgery. A second one could be performed as early as this week. " Question - If Drew follows the Orthopedist's advice, what does that mean in terms of rehab and any possibility of him playing in 2018? It sounds like this would be the same surgical procedure as the first one but with a different ligament involved. I don't know who examined him, but it might not be a bad idea to have a full workup at UCLA's Kerlan-Jobe Clinic or with Dr. Mickey Andrews in Birmingham. This could be career altering. It means he came back too early. It means that this time, he'll be out a full 18 months which was what should have happened this time. It means that whatever doctor cleared him to pitch after 12 months likely faces a serious malpractice suit. It means that -- very likely -- his MLB career is over because second surgeries and not nearly as successful as the first one. Or, it means internet doctors have no idea what they are talking about. |
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Post by jdogge on Sept 8, 2017 21:31:55 GMT -8
It means he came back too early. It means that this time, he'll be out a full 18 months which was what should have happened this time. It means that whatever doctor cleared him to pitch after 12 months likely faces a serious malpractice suit. It means that -- very likely -- his MLB career is over because second surgeries and not nearly as successful as the first one. Or, it means internet doctors have no idea what they are talking about. I wasn't aware he found his surgeon on the internet. |
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Post by beaverbeliever on Sept 12, 2017 7:19:05 GMT -8
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Post by joecool on Sept 12, 2017 8:36:43 GMT -8
f%#*!
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Post by beavaristotle on Sept 12, 2017 18:34:25 GMT -8
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Post by joecool on Sept 12, 2017 18:41:44 GMT -8
Maybe in 2019, maybe someone takes a late round chance on him in the draft next year.
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Post by kersting13 on Sept 13, 2017 9:36:41 GMT -8
Maybe in 2019, maybe someone takes a late round chance on him in the draft next year. Definitely possible he gets drafted in 2018. He'll still be a RS Sophomore, assuming he applies and the NCAA gives him a medical hardship (he'd fit the criteria). How old is he going to be at draft 2019? Tough break for Drew. |
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