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Post by beavershoopsfan on Jul 21, 2017 12:29:34 GMT -8
It is very early in the process, but Prospects Nation (PN) currently has four PAC-12 women's basketball squads ranked among its Top 20 Class of 2018 recruiting classes based upon verbal commits. Arizona weighs in at #2, Stanford (featuring the Hull sisters from Spokane) at #11, Cal at #17, and Oregon State at #19 based upon Andrea Aquino's verbal commit. PN rates Aquino at #30 among Class of 2018 recruits in the U.S. PN goes 150 deep in the Class of 2018 player rankings (see second link below). It appears that the other U.S.-based OSU Class of 2018 verbal commits Katie Mayhue and Patricia Morris are not on PN's evaluation radar, perhaps because neither player has participated in a PN-coordinated basketball camp. Another early OSU verbal commit, 5'11" guard Jasmine Simmons from Australia, is not listed among the seven international players that PN has ranked for Class of 2018 players. prospectsnation.com/class-rankings-2018-summer-2017prospectsnation.com/players/all/2018 |
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Post by 411500 on Jul 21, 2017 13:28:39 GMT -8
Thanks for posting the info....You're right, it's really early for this kind of talent assessment, but it get the juices flowing among the zealots - I guess that's us !!
I'll use this opportunity to double check to see if anyone has any progress reports on how PM & AA handled their summer ball competition.
I saw a pic from a tourney in May or June and it looked like AA was in street gear while her teammates were in gym gear. Not sure what that means.
We know PM played in Chicago. But I have not heard anything about how she did. Basically, when you're 6'7" it's impossible to escape evaluation. Everyone in the gym knows you're there and everyone is watching your game, or lack thereof.
Especially when you have verballed to a name-recognition program like OSU....
Finally, I think AA is transferring to a private high school in September, but I'm in the dark on that one unless someone here knows something specific !!
Finally, one more finally. It is cringeworthy that the Ducks have stockpiled a ton of WBB talent. A metric ton. My guess is that Vegas will have them and UCLA listed as preseason picks to win the PAC....
At any rate, thanks for the post bevershoopsfan - always fun to dribble thru the recruiting maze....
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jul 21, 2017 18:57:05 GMT -8
Regarding Patricia Morris, here is an "evaluation" that really makes me hopeful, though we learn nothing of the evaluator's credentials..... www.scout.com/college/ucla/forums/1739-bro-other-sports/13681142-wbb-6-7-freshman-at-duarteI can only hope his comparisons to Leslie, Taurasi or Miller are somewhat rooted in reality. This too, based on her play as a freshman. The article linked by this Bruin ( www.sgvtribune.com/sports/20150213/duarte-girls-basketball-patricia-morris-cap-perfect-montview-season) also speaks to her freshman year and some family background. You would think a player like this would be on the national radar..... Regarding the 'ucks (note, they have no d, and definitely not a capital D), I keep hoping for the transfer bug to hurt them (not help them, like it did with Boley). I too am bummed to see so much talent head to Eugene.......that said, I think the Pac-12 title next year, barring a couple Orum-esque emergences in the Beaver ranks, will be snagged by a California team (Stanford, UCLA). Go Beavers! |
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Post by 411500 on Jul 22, 2017 6:51:18 GMT -8
2ndGenBeaver - -Thanks for the PM reviews....Was really hoping for something closer to summer 2017, but I'm pretty much striking out on finding anything....
Regarding the possibility of transfer problems at Oregon: I don't see that as much of a problem for them. They have so much talent they could absorb the loss of 2 or 3 transfers without a significant downturn.
Today's Oregonian has a feature on one of their incoming Frosh recently winning MVP in Europe this summer. (Should have tracked down her name but most readers on this board know it...)
I also agree with you that the Beavs need an "Orum-esque" breakthrough (maybe two) for the Beavs to be a title threat in 2017-2018. It won't take long for fans to figure out how big of a loss Bre Brown's transfer really is for this year's team. In many ways she was more Orum-esque last year than Orum herself! Rueck has been playing a lot of muscle ball the past few years and players with Bre Brown's physical presence are hard to find and even harder to get into uniform.
It would be interesting to me to hear ideas about who might have an Orum-type breakthrough this year for the Beavs....We have 3 established PAC-12 players (Gulich, Williams & Pivec) and we need 5 or 6. Who will step up? A lot will depend on just how good Corosdale and Grymek really are. If one one them comes thru in her first year in grand form like Pivec did last year, it will help immensely.
Interesting times await Beaver fans.
Over and out......
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jul 23, 2017 14:58:55 GMT -8
: It would be interesting to me to hear ideas about who might have an Orum-type breakthrough this year for the Beavs....We have 3 established PAC-12 players (Gulich, Williams & Pivec) and we need 5 or 6. Who will step up? A lot will depend on just how good Corosdale and Grymek really are. If one one them comes thru in her first year in grand form like Pivec did last year, it will help immensely. Interesting times await Beaver fans. Over and out...... I agree that we have three Pac-12 starter-level talent McWilliams, Gulich and Pivec already identified..... My predictions for Orum-esque breakout potential (stack ranked): KTMac - She had quite the sophomore slump - it all started with that missed game winner against Marquette.....and then not seeing the court enough to define her role and get it out of her system. Well, no Syd this year, so I suspect we will see more of the KT that led us to 7-1 when Syd was out her freshman season, and I suspect we will see more games like the 29-pointer she had against Lamar. Been in the system long enough, coach's kid, length, speed, range, D ability..... Taylor Kalmer - one of the few Beavers who can create her own shot, is aggressive and "instant offense". I suspect what has kept her away from major minutes is 1) her D and 2) Gabby being relied on heavily by SR and eating all the minutes for perimeter D. While I loved Gabby's D, her O (even FTs) was a liability and allowed the opponents to adopt a "make Gabby prove she can beat us" mentality and help on Syd or anyone else not named Gabby. With Gabby moving on, there are some perimeter minutes to be had by guards who play D, and I suspect SR may have to rely on scoring more than shutdown D this season, making Taylor even more valuable. Taya Corosdale - I think comparisons of Deven Hunter with a better three shot will be coming our way soon thanks to Taya, but she *is* a frosh. Luckily, we have another physical forward to help in Maddie, but I put her later in the list just because of the limited body of work we have to go on.... Kat Tudor - there is a short twitter video out there of Kat working out with Syd in LA recently.....Kat has the right idea. I actually think Kat is very fundamentally solid (coming from the program she did, not much to doubt), and I like her length, speed down the court, nose for the ball (watch her positioning on rebounds), her energy level, and her outside shot. Develop a midrange, and the "get the defender to leave her feet at the 3 point line, take a dribble or two and nail the 15-17 footer" becomes a good weapon in the arsenal. Just needs to not rush those shots from the outside, but even with that, she displaced Jamie Scott from the #5 slot for made threes by a freshman......I debated putting her higher on this list. Maddie Washington - every time she was on the court for meaningful minutes, she made something good happen. Just weren't a lot of minutes. This was not the case with Kolbie (creating so much good) early on necessarily, giving me hope for early Orum-esque behavior emerging from Maddie, even as a soph. Love the motor, and just think she will figure much more prominently this season. I actually also hope Grymek just doesn't take too big of a step backward with the uplevel in talent she will face in the Pac-12. If she shoots 50% instead of 60% and still corrals the boards and blocks the shots, we will be among the top 4 or 5 teams: you can't coach 6'8". We need Janessa and Green to stay healthy and hopefully contribute some minutes. And I didn't put Goodman in the list, but note that Kelly Sopak (the AAU coach who has seen some serious talent on his teams) said Goodman was the "steal of the signing class", which gives me hope for some good contributions from her this season as well. We actually have huge potential to surprise this year, but I just think UCLA, Stanford, Cal, ASU, tsdtr, etc all have either a ton of incoming or returning talent as well, and by the time we get it all figured out, a few of them might get out to a long lead in terms of conference standings.......much as I abhor this comparison, I wouldn't be surprised if our season resembles that of the team down the road last year - good run at the end, bunch of "still figuring it out" games before that. As long as we still sweep them, all is well. On the flip side, pondering the talent while generating this loooong message gives me the flickering of hope that we might contend again if the pieces come together soon enough, especially with SR on the sidelines. Go Beavs! |
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Post by ricke71 on Jul 23, 2017 15:43:11 GMT -8
I think we'll know by Christmas if Maddie Washington is the 'break out'....I'm inclined to think she will be.
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Post by beavs6 on Jul 23, 2017 18:11:14 GMT -8
I agree with KT being at the top of the list with expectations to the upside. With the next 2 classes, the future for this program sure is bright.
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Post by shelby on Jul 24, 2017 7:18:23 GMT -8
Seems to me that coach Rueck, based on returnee's and recruits, is planning on a modified offensive approach.
In terms of real size, we only had either Ruth or Marie to feed the ball to inside, unless running a back door. But, when we played the more 'complete' teams, the entry pass was denied or effectively defended, which forced us to rely on shooting three's.
This year we can put two bigs on the floor at the same time and do more penetrate and pass for either inside action and put backs, or for better mid range shooting than what we had before. May need to slow the game down a little more on the offensive side. On defense, we would be exposed against a team that likes to run - but we should have a huge rebounding edge to minimize 'runs'.
I agree that it may take some time to fully capitalize on a new approach. I also agree that we will be competitive and surprise some people, but there is a big drop off without Syd around.
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Post by 411500 on Jul 24, 2017 10:40:54 GMT -8
2ndGenBeaver & Shelby - enjoyed reading your comments. Always nice to receive input on players in particular and the program in general.
I'll throw in a few additional ideas just for the heck of it.
July & August is guessing time for coaches and fans. This is when the endless hours of unseen gym time and the increased maturity that comes with time transforms SOME players into better far products than they were in March.
The great unknowns are: which ones and how much. (Some years the answer is NONE & ZERO.)
At this time last year no one following OSU WBB had their money on Orum & Brown. (I know I didn't). Most of the great expectations were heaped on Gulich, McWilliams & Kalmer.
How'd that turn out?
One problem, of course, is that most of us operate in an information vacuum - consequently, educated guessing is our trademark. And sometimes it's more guessing than educated.
Enough of this wandering preamble. Here are a few thoughts scattered about.
Katie is a vital cog for success in 2017-2018. Everyone recognizes her promise. For her to elevate her game to the Elite Level she must learn to dribble-penetrate, and to finish at the bucket while slashing to it. As of now she pulls up. She's not yet a finisher. A shooter who has not yet matured into a scorer. Until this skill set emerges her game pretty much stays where it's at. As far as wins and losses go, that is not good for the Beavs.
Taylor Kalmer is pretty much as described by 2ndGen. Her problem in the PAC is simple: 5'7". I'm holding my breath on her. I'd love for her to emerge. I love her O skills. I think Rueck will make us wait until Dec. on TK. Rueck is an athlete coach. Taylor's a player but not an athlete. So it's a tough one. Here's an unfair comparison - but I think it is worth thinking about. Imagine Ruth Hamblin at 6'2" or 6'3". Would that affect her game? Her prowess on the boards, on defence? Oh yeh. The mathematics for a 5'6" guard are similar to those for a 6'2' centre. Kinda. At any rate, I wish like hell she was 5'10". In very loose parlance, one big problem facing the Beavs is this: Katie is a player but not a scorer; Taylor is a scorer but not a player. Until that gets worked out Coach R has a problem.
At least that's how I see it in the heat of July !!
Corosdale & Grymek remain part of the great unknown. Unless you've been in the gym with them, who knows! Until Coach comes out and gives them rave reviews we'll just have to wait until Nov.- Dec. for a clue....
Time's up. Thanks for being patient with my cluster of free floating ideas...I hope some of them made a bit of sense.
Over and out....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 11:13:13 GMT -8
On the subject of Taylor Kalmer, remember how in 2015-16 that Rueck played JenVonTa more than TK? I found that unbelievable and unfair. JenVonTa should never have been on the floor. Even if you argue that TK's defense wasn't great, what defense she had was better than Jen's. Plus her ball-handling was second only to Syd's. TK wouldn't have had the problems bringing the ball upcourt that KatieMac or Jen had. It's like TK was in the doghouse for some entirely inexplicable reason. It seems to me that if Rueck gives her the opportunity and she can start playing looser then she could be a star for us. I remember when she came in one game last year (USC or UCLA?) and she hit several big shots in a row that no one else on our team would dare even to attempt and the announcers were saying that there's yet another surprise player off the bench for OSU. We need a PG, and KatieMac at 6'2" doesn't have the footspeed required. To me, it seems it's got to be Goodman (an unknown), Pivec (if she can make the transition), or TK at PG. I'm rooting big for TK. Just imagine how a coming-out for her would brighten our prospects for 2017-18.
I should add that in high school, KT was known to have a great pullup jump shot and it's a beautiful thing to watch. Who else have we got who can create her own shot, drive the lane for layup, or pull up for a 15' jumper? She's our only candidate.
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Jul 24, 2017 12:26:13 GMT -8
Corosdale & Grymek remain part of the great unknown. Unless you've been in the gym with them, who knows! Until Coach comes out and gives them rave reviews we'll just have to wait until Nov.- Dec. for a clue.... I haven't seen enough of Joanna Grymek to weigh in with an informed opinion as to whether she will be able to step in immediately and provide the Beavs with quality minutes during the upcoming season. However, I have seen a lot of Taya Corosdale on the AAU circuit (Tree of Hope & Seattle Transition) and on video. I really like what I believe she will be able to contribute to Coach Rueck's offensive schemes. I believe that Corosdale can challenge for a starting spot in a three-guard, two-big (along with Gulich) lineup for the Beavs as a true freshman. She is a skilled 4 whose passing skills and basketball IQ will make her teammates better. Runs the floor well for a 6'2"/6'3" athlete and has consistent shooting range out to 17'. She will pull the defense out past the free throw line, unlike what we saw from both Orum and Brown last season. Corosdale will have to continue to work on her strength and physicality. She will need to demonstrate an increased willingness to mix it up inside with some athletic bigs within the PAC-12 in order to enhance the Beavs' inside presence. However, her ability to stretch the defense and pass along the perimeter will free Tudor, Pivec, McWilliams, and Kalmer up for some better and more frequent looks from beyond the arc during the '17-'18 season. |
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jul 24, 2017 16:20:39 GMT -8
I too am really rooting for Taylor to go all Orum-esque on us, but I have often wondered why she didn't see the minutes over Hill, or even last year when we would be in the midst of scoring droughts....
I believe the potential is there, regardless of height.
While I stack ranked her behind KTMac, I believe she has more potential or headroom to surprise, since we have seen more of what KTMac can do than TK. Her 15 point BYU game gives me hope, and the PT is certainly available this season.
I also don't discount the fact that someone we aren't expecting to surprise does so - to wit, Janessa Thropay was also receiving D-I volleyball offers out of high school, which suggests there is some athleticism there that could be a real asset on the blocks with Brown and Orum's departures.
Go Beavers!
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jul 24, 2017 16:50:13 GMT -8
Corosdale & Grymek remain part of the great unknown. Unless you've been in the gym with them, who knows! Until Coach comes out and gives them rave reviews we'll just have to wait until Nov.- Dec. for a clue.... I haven't seen enough of Joanna Grymek to weigh in with an informed opinion as to whether she will be able to step in immediately and provide the Beavs with quality minutes during the upcoming season. : : I haven't seen Grymek either. And no idea whether the Polish National team just needed a center, or there was plenty of good competition for the roster spot. Being ranked the #1 juco center and #2 juco player overall has got to mean something.... And Grymek's stats this past year: In 25.7 min per game, she averaged 15.4 ppg, 8.6 rebounds, 3.1 blocks, shooting 63% (was a 60+% FTer as well). Only 2.6 fouls/game. Some of this has got to translate to the Pac-12. I'm also heartened by the minutes she played (no Sim Bular? phenomenon here). Between her and Corosdale, we are getting help down low. My suspicion is our season will hinge on guard play, and I think we better hope the Orum effect occurs at that position..... Go Beavers! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 17:55:22 GMT -8
The best thing about SR is (a) he knows how to recruit and (b) knows how to coach. He has created a culture that seems to bring the best out every player that hits the court. Trust the system i say. The new recruits definitely have the talent or he wouldn't of picked them, the current team has been in NCAA action and won more games than they have lost, they know what is required. I believe the culture SR has built over the years will keep producing great results, the girls will step up and have a great season.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Jul 24, 2017 18:23:41 GMT -8
The great thing about college sports is that every year is a different team. Not only are the players different but hopefully each player is different/better than the year before. I'm really excited about our team this year, so much is new. It gives the coaching staff a chance to show how really good they are, and through my orange colored glasses they are the best staff in the country.
It looks like we are going to have 10 players this year if Green doesn't return. There is going to be a chance for everyone to contribute, much like last year where we had 9 different players lead the team in scoring.
As for a line up, if we use a high/low post system I think we need to have Pivec at the point. Katie has the ability to play positions 1 - 4 and with a short bench that versatility could be beneficial. That will leave Katie and Kat at the wings. I'm hoping that Marie will continue to develop her back to the basket game so we can use her at the low post. Then I think Corosdale will find herself at the high post.
I am hoping that Grymek will turn out to be a ready to play player, if so we could use her at low post and then have Marie and Taya for the high post. Maddie showed that she could make things happen at the high post despite being a bit undersized, she has some good moves to the basket that frequently left her defender lost. Thropay is a big question mark, I hope she can be healthy enough to get some real playing time. And our two guards coming off the bench have tremendous potential. Taylor needs to continue to develop defensively, at 5' 8" she is a bit small for our team but many if not most teams also have a player her size or shorter. So IMHO, height is not a big issue.
That leaves Goodman, the wildcard in my deck. She has shown that she knows how to win against supposedly better teams. Apparently she made concentrated effort to step up her defense and most often took the opposing teams number one player out of their game. Conspicuously demonstrated in the way she shut down Westbrook from South Salem, reminiscent of Gabby vs. Plum. I'm not saying that she is or even will be as good on defense as Gabby but I think there is potential there.
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