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Post by beavadelic on Jul 11, 2017 9:32:08 GMT -8
I was curious as to how verbals have fared who have opted to go directly to pro baseball as opposed to playing at OSU in the past 3 or 4 years.
A prospect has every right to go with the money (big or small) and forego college ball. I was wondering how many who have done so in the last few years are currently above the Double-A level?
It feels to me like high level college baseball is in the ballpark of long A or Double-A ball. Unless the money is too good to pass up, or an athlete struggles academically, I would think that playing college ball at a high level like OSU plays and improving in terms of readiness to allow for a higher draft status and bigger bucks, along with the fun involved in the college experience as opposed to long bus trips in rural America would be preferable.
Any of you who track this stuff and understand the big picture for prospects much better than I do have any info on those kids who jumped recently? I realize that decisions are not as simplistic as we can make them to be as fans, but I was just wondering....
Thanks...and Go Beavs!
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Post by beaversrock on Jul 11, 2017 9:39:28 GMT -8
Pat shared with me in all of his years of coaching only one of his high school recruits who picked the MLB instead of college have made the big leagues. Travis Ishikawa a short termer with the Giants.
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Post by beavadelic on Jul 11, 2017 10:02:29 GMT -8
Pat shared with me in all of his years of coaching only one of his high school recruits who picked the MLB instead of college have made the big leagues. Travis Ishikawa a short termer with the Giants. Kinda what I thought. Now, if a kid goes in the first 2 or 3 rounds I get it because of the pull of signing money, but that's a telling stat! |
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Post by tamatrix on Jul 11, 2017 10:55:10 GMT -8
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Post by baseba1111 on Jul 11, 2017 11:18:47 GMT -8
I've personally never had a kid go straight from HS. Not that all took my advice all the time, but I always "sold" college... at least the 2 year route. If they were not great students they needed to mature and get to be better "students" as typically self discipline was an issue. And...It's just not the same experience to go to college when in your mid 20s.
I used to keep track of each kid, maybe close to 40-45 from HS and AAA Legion teams, but all went 2 or 4 yr college first. A couple turned down low 6 figures... both ended up with engineering degrees. Only a couple made it to the majors for more than a cup of coffee. Most all hung it up after a few years in A or AA.
Bottom line there is no one right answer or path. However, the constant that all must consider is that making a "living" from baseball for any extended period is highly improbable. Typically "life"... school, setting down roots, a solid career, family, etc. is simply delayed 1-5 years. But, for many that is better than living with wondering "what if?"
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Post by mbabeav on Jul 11, 2017 11:50:47 GMT -8
Major league stats I heard on a sports broadcast show that 25% of the pros are ex high school, 25% are from outside US, and 50% are kids that hit the college route. And three of the Beavs in the last 10 years, Moore, Conforto and Ellsbury, all were in the show before they ended their second season in the minors.
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Post by kersting13 on Jul 11, 2017 12:03:55 GMT -8
College baseball, even at the highest levels, is more equivalent to short-season A or Rookie league ball.
It's not close to A+ or AA.
Most college draft picks end up at short season A teams in their draft year, but many also end up in AZL or FSL rookie ball. Some will get a call up to full season A teams if they are killing it, AND there's room. And remember, those are the drafted players, none of the scrubs from college.
Last year's #2 overall pick, Nick Senzel from Tennessee, started at short-season A, moved up to regular A a few weeks later, and started this year at A+, with a mid-season call up to AA. This guy is considered an elite prospect, and he hits .300, but elite hitters in college are hitting closer to .400 (some of that is the bats).
The best college prospects almost always take at least a year or two to break in to the bigs, but most progress yearly up one level at a time.
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Post by beaversrock on Jul 11, 2017 12:59:55 GMT -8
Tamatrix Pat told me the story last summer long before Drury made the big leagues. That being said 2 in 27 years of coaching is telling. Get the three years of school out of the way.
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Post by zeroposter on Jul 11, 2017 13:37:32 GMT -8
I just checked Google to bring back a couple of names. The guy who really surprised me with signing a pro contract for decent money was Brian Pointer. He was a 28th rounder out of Reno, and he started the 2010 season with the Bend Elks. The games I watched did not overly stand out at all. He was supposed to have good defensive skills and a potential big bat. A guy like Elliott Cary would run circles around him in the field, and Pointer's bat wasn't that projectable. Anyway, he signed for $350,000 before joining OSU, and was done in pro ball after 4 poor years.
Drew Vettelson(sp) seemed to have a ton of talent, but he was done after a few mediocre years in the minors. That one hurt. Some of the pitchers who have been OSU signees but signed decent bonuses washed out early.
As far as Travis Ishikawa, he played parts of 8 seasons in the majors. Decent career and definitely not just a cup of coffee. I think he has at least a couple of rings and possibly 3. Brilliant student. Big signing bonus. His mother worked with my wife so I got frequent updates on parts of Ishikawa's career.
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Post by joecool on Jul 11, 2017 14:55:28 GMT -8
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Post by jimbeav on Jul 11, 2017 15:37:43 GMT -8
Can anybody describe what the off-season is like for a minor-leaguer? Are they just sent home with a workout plan and left to their own devices? Is there anything like a fall practice period where the team gathers to keep skills sharp? All I ever hear about is spring training, but that's more focused on the big leagues. On a minor league team, is there any equivalent to what you have in college with fall ball, including regimented fielding/batting drills, group workout/weight room sessions, and scrimmaging?
The thing I really love about college baseball is the huge advancement I can see in some players from when they enter as freshmen to their junior or senior year. You don't see that in any other sport, where somebody can look completely hopeless as a freshman but be an impact player 1 or 2 years later. I'm genuinely curious if that rate of advancement might be higher in college compared to the minors, since coaches have the entire team together to work with 9 months out of the year...
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Post by bigorangebeaver on Jul 11, 2017 17:52:42 GMT -8
I just checked Google to bring back a couple of names. The guy who really surprised me with signing a pro contract for decent money was Brian Pointer. He was a 28th rounder out of Reno, and he started the 2010 season with the Bend Elks. The games I watched did not overly stand out at all. He was supposed to have good defensive skills and a potential big bat. A guy like Elliott Cary would run circles around him in the field, and Pointer's bat wasn't that projectable. Anyway, he signed for $350,000 before joining OSU, and was done in pro ball after 4 poor years. Drew Vettelson(sp) seemed to have a ton of talent, but he was done after a few mediocre years in the minors. That one hurt. Some of the pitchers who have been OSU signees but signed decent bonuses washed out early. As far as Travis Ishikawa, he played parts of 8 seasons in the majors. Decent career and definitely not just a cup of coffee. I think he has at least a couple of rings and possibly 3. Brilliant student. Big signing bonus. His mother worked with my wife so I got frequent updates on parts of Ishikawa's career. Adding to Travis Ishikawa: He also had one BIG moment: |
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Post by chinmusic on Jul 11, 2017 17:52:47 GMT -8
In the nationally ranked class that entered OSU in 2015, we took a hit when the Cardinals drafted Ian Oxnevad in the 8th round, then signed him for 3rd round money - a reported $550k. As you will recall, Oxnevad was a 6-4, 205 LHP with a 91-92 mph fastball from Shoreline. Washington's Shorewood HS. A quality kid with a high baseball ceiling. In 2015 he played for the Cardinals in the Gulf Coast Rookie League, pitching 26 innings with a 1-1 record and a save. Had a 2.42 ERA. In 2016, he was assigned to Johnson City in the Low A Appalachian League where he posted a 5-3 record with a 3.38 ERA in 72 innings. In 2017, he was promoted to Peoria in the High A Midwest League where he currently has logged 85 innings in 14 starts with a 3-8 record and a 4.11 ERA on a struggling Chief team this season. A promising prospect in the St. Louis organization that would have come in with the Madrigal-Grenier class. Probably a good chance he would have been somewhere in our rotation this year.  |
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Post by mtbeaver on Jul 11, 2017 20:12:35 GMT -8
College baseball, even at the highest levels, is more equivalent to short-season A or Rookie league ball. It's not close to A+ or AA. Most college draft picks end up at short season A teams in their draft year, but many also end up in AZL or FSL rookie ball. Some will get a call up to full season A teams if they are killing it, AND there's room. And remember, those are the drafted players, none of the scrubs from college. Last year's #2 overall pick, Nick Senzel from Tennessee, started at short-season A, moved up to regular A a few weeks later, and started this year at A+, with a mid-season call up to AA. This guy is considered an elite prospect, and he hits .300, but elite hitters in college are hitting closer to .400 (some of that is the bats). The best college prospects almost always take at least a year or two to break in to the bigs, but most progress yearly up one level at a time. [ Gee, I am not sure I would agree with equivalent to rookie ball. I watch a fair amount of Beaver baseball and rookie league with the pioneer league Missoula Osprey ( KJ Harrison comes to town at end of the month). These guys are pretty bad with lots of errors and base running blunders. As a team, I think the Beavs run circles around them. |
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Post by kersting13 on Jul 11, 2017 20:23:33 GMT -8
College baseball, even at the highest levels, is more equivalent to short-season A or Rookie league ball. It's not close to A+ or AA. Most college draft picks end up at short season A teams in their draft year, but many also end up in AZL or FSL rookie ball. Some will get a call up to full season A teams if they are killing it, AND there's room. And remember, those are the drafted players, none of the scrubs from college. Last year's #2 overall pick, Nick Senzel from Tennessee, started at short-season A, moved up to regular A a few weeks later, and started this year at A+, with a mid-season call up to AA. This guy is considered an elite prospect, and he hits .300, but elite hitters in college are hitting closer to .400 (some of that is the bats). The best college prospects almost always take at least a year or two to break in to the bigs, but most progress yearly up one level at a time. [ Gee, I am not sure I would agree with equivalent to rookie ball. I watch a fair amount of Beaver baseball and rookie league with the pioneer league Missoula Osprey ( KJ Harrison comes to town at end of the month). These guys are pretty bad with lots of errors and base running blunders. As a team, I think the Beavs run circles around them. Considering it's fairly rare for College draftees to play above that level when they are drafted, I'm not sure what the argument is against it. Most of the players in the Pioneer league are 19-21 years old with 2-3 years of college experience or AZL/GCL/DSL experience under their belts. I'll admit to not watching Pioneer league games in person, but I think the personnel there is more experienced/talented than the average Power 5 NCAA team. SaveSave |
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