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Post by ricke71 on Jul 1, 2017 5:39:31 GMT -8
Me neither...
Instead we get a 'double issue' including "Where are they now?"
No interest in CWS at all...sort of sad for the sport and the rag.
moreso for the rag. As baseball declines relative to football and basketball (the '50s were my childhood), I've gradually ceased being sad about the fact. As long as they're still playing, I'm OK with that. College level ball is increasingly accessible what with the proliferation of summer leagues. Just in the past 2 weeks I've had the pleasure of watching two of next seasons Beavers-to-be. Next month I'll have the chance to see Preston Jones for 3 games. Go Beavs! |
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Post by justdamwin on Jul 1, 2017 9:45:17 GMT -8
Me neither...
Instead we get a 'double issue' including "Where are they now?"
No interest in CWS at all...sort of sad for the sport and the rag.
moreso for the rag. As baseball declines relative to football and basketball (the '50s were my childhood), I've gradually ceased being sad about the fact. As long as they're still playing, I'm OK with that. College level ball is increasingly accessible what with the proliferation of summer leagues. Just in the past 2 weeks I've had the pleasure of watching two of next seasons Beavers-to-be. Next month I'll have the chance to see Preston Jones for 3 games. Go Beavs! Conference networks are also increasing the visibility of collegiate baseball. Possibly to the detriment of MLB viewership but the playera keep getting massive contracts so MLB must be doing fine. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 2, 2017 21:41:58 GMT -8
moreso for the rag. As baseball declines relative to football and basketball (the '50s were my childhood), I've gradually ceased being sad about the fact. As long as they're still playing, I'm OK with that. College level ball is increasingly accessible what with the proliferation of summer leagues. Just in the past 2 weeks I've had the pleasure of watching two of next seasons Beavers-to-be. Next month I'll have the chance to see Preston Jones for 3 games. Go Beavs! Conference networks are also increasing the visibility of collegiate baseball. Possibly to the detriment of MLB viewership but the playera keep getting massive contracts so MLB must be doing fine. MLB plays so many games, it's hard to not make money. Harder with other sports, where you are not expected to play six times a week. |
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Post by kersting13 on Jul 3, 2017 9:11:47 GMT -8
Conference networks are also increasing the visibility of collegiate baseball. Possibly to the detriment of MLB viewership but the playera keep getting massive contracts so MLB must be doing fine. MLB plays so many games, it's hard to not make money. Harder with other sports, where you are not expected to play six times a week. They still need people to go to the games, watch the games on TV, or listen to them on the radio to make money. They're doing well, but need to be vigilant. When there were fewer options for media exposure, MLB was a ubiquitous national experience. With only 4-5 TV options back in the day, you knew that MLB was going to get its share of the exposure. You could grow to love the game because it was on, and you were exposed to it. Nowadays, YOU have to seek it out. If I were not an MLB fan, my kids would likely almost never see it on TV/computer/radio. Back when I was a kid, you could just stumble over it while flipping through the 5 channels. But, nearly everything is getting that way these days with all of the internet and TV options almost everyone has. |
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Post by Tigardbeav on Jul 3, 2017 12:01:08 GMT -8
MLB plays so many games, it's hard to not make money. Harder with other sports, where you are not expected to play six times a week. They still need people to go to the games, watch the games on TV, or listen to them on the radio to make money. They're doing well, but need to be vigilant. When there were fewer options for media exposure, MLB was a ubiquitous national experience. With only 4-5 TV options back in the day, you knew that MLB was going to get its share of the exposure. You could grow to love the game because it was on, and you were exposed to it. Nowadays, YOU have to seek it out. If I were not an MLB fan, my kids would likely almost never see it on TV/computer/radio. Back when I was a kid, you could just stumble over it while flipping through the 5 channels. But, nearly everything is getting that way these days with all of the internet and TV options almost everyone has. yeah but..when one of those channels showing the yankees...baseball had Tony Kubek & Joe Garage iola you have just turned off 50% of your audience. |
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Post by bennyskid on Jul 3, 2017 13:15:51 GMT -8
MLB is doing just fine. Last year revenues were up a half-billion to over $10 billion/annum. In revenue per club, it is just behind the NFL ($386m) at $314m, and well ahead of NBA ($196m). It just barely noses ahead of MLS ($27m). www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2016/12/05/mlb-sees-record-revenues-approaching-10-billion-for-2016/#3d15659c7088"The league continues to see incredible growth around its digital media company, MLB Advanced Media, as well as stable attendance, growth in sponsorships, robust television ratings at the local level, and positive television ratings not seen in over a decade for the postseason." |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jul 3, 2017 14:24:15 GMT -8
MLB is doing just fine. Last year revenues were up a half-billion to over $10 billion/annum. In revenue per club, it is just behind the NFL ($386m) at $314m, and well ahead of NBA ($196m). It just barely noses ahead of MLS ($27m). www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2016/12/05/mlb-sees-record-revenues-approaching-10-billion-for-2016/#3d15659c7088"The league continues to see incredible growth around its digital media company, MLB Advanced Media, as well as stable attendance, growth in sponsorships, robust television ratings at the local level, and positive television ratings not seen in over a decade for the postseason." I cam not find the link, but like all stats of revenue this is only partially accurate. MLB revenue vs NBA comes in twice as many contests. This number also excludes the operation of their minor league system that is excluded from the "books" when it comes to labor negotiations. Most minor league operations do not operate in the black. The plethora of coaches and traveling instructors also are not included. As the article stated some additional revenue was not included, but by and large the NBA profits by ownership are higher on a per contest basis especially if MLB included minor league expenses of multiple teams, stadium staff, upkeep, staff/coaches, travel. There is a reason owners will always be against a 154, 150 or shorter season. |
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Post by bennyskid on Jul 3, 2017 15:49:00 GMT -8
Well, it's obvious that 162 games will get you more money than 150. But is revenue per game even relevant? The number of games in a season is limited by the nature of the sport - you couldn't play 162 basketball games in a season and expect players to still be ambulatory at the end. Every major league plays exactly as many games as they can before they figure that injuries make it unprofitable. (The proof that MLS and WNBA aren't really "major leagues" is that they *don't* flog their players until just before they drop!)
The stats given were for revenue, so whatever expenses the leagues have aren't part of the comparison and your points about the minor leagues is irrelevant. Given that few franchises in any league are public, stats for profitability are few and unreliable. The best indicator of profitability is the market value of franchises - that is, what investors are willing to pay to enjoy the future profits. Baseball accounts for 7 of the 50 most valuable franchises in the world (Forbes, again), the NBA accounts for eight. The NBA has two extra teams, so statistically it is pretty much a tie.
In sum, reports of the demise of baseball remain premature.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 3, 2017 15:49:58 GMT -8
MLB is doing just fine. Last year revenues were up a half-billion to over $10 billion/annum. In revenue per club, it is just behind the NFL ($386m) at $314m, and well ahead of NBA ($196m). It just barely noses ahead of MLS ($27m). www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2016/12/05/mlb-sees-record-revenues-approaching-10-billion-for-2016/#3d15659c7088"The league continues to see incredible growth around its digital media company, MLB Advanced Media, as well as stable attendance, growth in sponsorships, robust television ratings at the local level, and positive television ratings not seen in over a decade for the postseason." I cam not find the link, but like all stats of revenue this is only partially accurate. MLB revenue vs NBA comes in twice as many contests. This number also excludes the operation of their minor league system that is excluded from the "books" when it comes to labor negotiations. Most minor league operations do not operate in the black. The plethora of coaches and traveling instructors also are not included. As the article stated some additional revenue was not included, but by and large the NBA profits by ownership are higher on a per contest basis especially if MLB included minor league expenses of multiple teams, stadium staff, upkeep, staff/coaches, travel. There is a reason owners will always be against a 154, 150 or shorter season. But that is the point, right? Baseball does well, because they play 162 games a year. What the article really dances around is the fact that the Cubs broke the Billy Goat Curse last year and the Dodgers were also good. Viewership is at the highest since 2004, when the Red Sox broke the Curse of the Bambino and the Dodgers and Yankees were good. Viewership was at the highest in 2004 since 1995, the first year of baseball after the 1994 World Series was cancelled. Overall, television viewership has been on a downward trend since 1978. |
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Post by kersting13 on Jul 5, 2017 8:51:41 GMT -8
I cam not find the link, but like all stats of revenue this is only partially accurate. MLB revenue vs NBA comes in twice as many contests. This number also excludes the operation of their minor league system that is excluded from the "books" when it comes to labor negotiations. Most minor league operations do not operate in the black. The plethora of coaches and traveling instructors also are not included. As the article stated some additional revenue was not included, but by and large the NBA profits by ownership are higher on a per contest basis especially if MLB included minor league expenses of multiple teams, stadium staff, upkeep, staff/coaches, travel. There is a reason owners will always be against a 154, 150 or shorter season. But that is the point, right? Baseball does well, because they play 162 games a year. What the article really dances around is the fact that the Cubs broke the Billy Goat Curse last year and the Dodgers were also good. Viewership is at the highest since 2004, when the Red Sox broke the Curse of the Bambino and the Dodgers and Yankees were good. Viewership was at the highest in 2004 since 1995, the first year of baseball after the 1994 World Series was cancelled. Overall, television viewership has been on a downward trend since 1978. 1978 - the year the NFL went to a 16-game schedule and introduced the modern "passing" rules (no contact after 5-yards, and O-Linemen allowed to extend their arms in pass protection). |
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