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Post by woodrow7525 on Jun 30, 2017 6:02:58 GMT -8
Given Oregon's unbelievable recruiting this cycle and our standard June inventory of commits, I was thinking about something. If we went back to Dec 2014 and hired Taggart at OSU and Anderson stuck it out at Wisconsin until being hired by Oregon in Dec of 2016, would Anderson be f'ing crushing recruiting at UO at historic levels the way Taggart is? Would Taggart be luring big time players to OSU the way he is at IO? Or is this just a matter of UO's money attracting the kids and Taggart having a turnaround/coming upswing to sell to kids?
Let me also say that it's JUNE...so much happens between now and LOI day so things may change significantly.
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Post by ostate on Jun 30, 2017 6:37:21 GMT -8
I would never want Taggart to be anywhere near my favorite team. His arrogance, complete lack of concern for his players and selfishness fits right in down south.
That said, they sure are "winning" the offseason - even though not one of the recruits has signed; I still don't want him or his staff, especially since only one coach on his staff has experience calling plays in a Power 5 game and he was only successful when his players were seniors... Taggart and his clowns chase the stars rather than position needs (see TE & QB depth issues and all the 'athletes' they recruit) and they still have to coach these guys up - who, in the past have shown that they quit when faced with adversity. Also, if these coaches are so great, why do they have some many highly regarded players leaving the program?
CGA and staff > Taggart and clowns in the long run...
NOTE: I am biased
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Post by shelby on Jun 30, 2017 12:35:48 GMT -8
I agree with the bias piece, that is what makes College Football such a great sport. One thing that validates our right to bias is that a great number of Beaver fans are actually linked to the University in some way. We have Alumnae, their immediate family and others who have less of a direct connection, but still have some tie. Whereas , duck fans are fair weather, bandwagon types that probably have never even stepped foot on the actual university. They are an entitled group that exists only because of the Financial support from Nike and Phil Knight. They are easy to spot. Beaver fans and athletic teams do everything the hard way and, just as Casey has demonstrated in baseball and Miller did in basketball, this attitude and backing is rock solid and most certainly not a bandwagon group. We have suffered, been shortchanged, failed and succeeded. The money and the support comes from the alumni in small amounts, and the donors all feel like they have an impact. This also extends to recruiting, addressing football at this time. uo is obsessed with star status ( numbers ), and this dominates the local rag headlines. I think willie is doing a great job recruiting. We will see if he, and/ or his staff can actually deliver. He has definitely built a very tall order for himself because he hasn't played one game yet, but recruits and families are buying into the hype. Personally, I think he is going to find out that the demands and pressure of the job are going to give him a very short leash. He will crumble under the pressure !
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Post by obf on Jun 30, 2017 14:42:18 GMT -8
You guys are being silly. GA has expressly said he goes after stars as well, and we would all be hooting and hollering if we had the *ucks recruiting class right now.
Taggart may be a bad person (although not sure I can point to any actual evidence toward that), but he is a hell of a recruiter and I would love to see the beavs recruiting as well as he has...
To answer the original question... No I don't think GA would be recruiting as well at tsdtr and I do think Taggert would be recruiting better here... If nothing else he has a big advantage being younger and... um... blacker. Just like our polynesian coaches have a better chance recruiting the poly kids...
But what do I know
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Post by 93beav on Jul 1, 2017 16:11:17 GMT -8
I'm actually a little mystified as to how they are able to recruit so well. Yes, they have the facilities but they ain't Alabama. Either they have to be singing the "you'll play right away" tune to every recruit who walks through the door or As much as I hate to admit it, they have an extremely impressive recruiting class on paper. Now, on LOI day...
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Post by ostate on Jul 1, 2017 17:39:19 GMT -8
You guys are being silly. GA has expressly said he goes after stars as well, and we would all be hooting and hollering if we had the *ucks recruiting class right now. Taggart may be a bad person (although not sure I can point to any actual evidence toward that), but he is a hell of a recruiter and I would love to see the beavs recruiting as well as he has... To answer the original question... No I don't think GA would be recruiting as well at tsdtr and I do think Taggert would be recruiting better here... If nothing else he has a big advantage being younger and... um... blacker. Just like our polynesian coaches have a better chance recruiting the poly kids... But what do I know In regards to your reference that GA 'goes after stars'; do you actually have some evidence, conjecture, or insider knowledge of this? I've never seen/heard that GA goes after stars...
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jul 1, 2017 21:42:39 GMT -8
It's a projection by people who didn't realize Riley would make offers to 50/60 4 and 5 star kids each year and heard somewhere that Andersen was making offers to 4 and 5 star kids.
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Post by babeav on Jul 2, 2017 6:28:48 GMT -8
We'll see how many of Taggerts recruits actually sign on the dotted line. Moving cross country is tough on the kids from Florida and the recruits from SoCal still have that pull from USC/UCLA thing going on. When push comes to shove I'm thinking a large percentage of commits to whoregon end up elsewhere. As to Andersen chasing stars, pretty stupid if he doesn't.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jul 2, 2017 8:05:38 GMT -8
I'm actually a little mystified as to how they are able to recruit so well. Yes, they have the facilities but they ain't Alabama. Either they have to be singing the "you'll play right away" tune to every recruit who walks through the door or As much as I hate to admit it, they have an extremely impressive recruiting class on paper. Now, on LOI day... If you reshuffle by average star rating they are 9th, which would be 3rd in Pac 12.
I'm not sure why their current recruiting success surprises anyone. Oregon has played for the NC twice in the past what, 6 years? How many times has LSU, Tennessee, Michigan, Texas, Penn State, Notre Dame, OK, USC, Nebraska, Miami (FL) done the same in that time span?
Their new coach is a dynamic, engaging, African American coach, how many others have teams ranked in the top 20?
Finally, they could end up with the #1 recruiting class in the country. They still have to win with those recruits. Replicating what Bama and Ohio State is doing is going to be really difficult for all these teams because there is only one Nick Saban and only one Urban Meyer.
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Post by green85 on Jul 10, 2017 9:04:50 GMT -8
I agree with the bias piece, that is what makes College Football such a great sport. One thing that validates our right to bias is that a great number of Beaver fans are actually linked to the University in some way. We have Alumnae, their immediate family and others who have less of a direct connection, but still have some tie. Whereas , duck fans are fair weather, bandwagon types that probably have never even stepped foot on the actual university. They are an entitled group that exists only because of the Financial support from Nike and Phil Knight. They are easy to spot. Beaver fans and athletic teams do everything the hard way and, just as Casey has demonstrated in baseball and Miller did in basketball, this attitude and backing is rock solid and most certainly not a bandwagon group. We have suffered, been shortchanged, failed and succeeded. The money and the support comes from the alumni in small amounts, and the donors all feel like they have an impact. This also extends to recruiting, addressing football at this time. uo is obsessed with star status ( numbers ), and this dominates the local rag headlines. I think willie is doing a great job recruiting. We will see if he, and/ or his staff can actually deliver. He has definitely built a very tall order for himself because he hasn't played one game yet, but recruits and families are buying into the hype. Personally, I think he is going to find out that the demands and pressure of the job are going to give him a very short leash. He will crumble under the pressure ! "Whereas , duck fans are fair weather, bandwagon types that probably have never even stepped foot on the actual university." Oregon certainly has a large alumni base in Oregon, SW Washington, and Northern California. The Oregon Alumni Association has close ties to the football program and Duck Athletic Fund, often evidenced by Alumni events at away games. To characterize the Oregon fan base as made up of mostly non-alum fans is silly and not supported by the facts. BUT there is the other side of this coin, which is the Oregon football program has been marketed in ways that "casual fans" that never attended the university WANT to attend games and identify with the team. Those ticket purchases, and apparel purchases and public declarations of support for the team are evidence of successful marketing that gets more butts in the seats. "They are an entitled group that exists only because of the Financial support from Nike and Phil Knight. " In fact, Oregon has one of the largest donor bases of $1,000 donors among the public universities in the Pac12. There are many more donors to Oregon athletics than to OSU athletics in sheer count. BTW, Phil Knight assigns almost all of his donation money to capital projects (buildings, facilities, etc.). The finances for the annual operating budget at Oregon come largely from donations made by others [along with revenue sources that many schools have in money from the conference, money from marketing contracts (e.g. Nike, Under Armor, etc.), money for media rights, and money from students]. OSU surely has great fans. And those fans surely have been loyal and long-suffering. Oregon fans are about to experience something that has not happened in my lifetime ... a completely new coaching staff for the football program. And while even the slightly tainted measures of star-ratings for football recruits might indicate things are going well ... the real test will be how the Duck fans react to the LOSSES on the field during 2017 football season.
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Post by messi on Jul 10, 2017 19:34:44 GMT -8
"Whereas , duck fans are fair weather, bandwagon types that probably have never even stepped foot on the actual university." Oregon certainly has a large alumni base in Oregon, SW Washington, and Northern California. The Oregon Alumni Association has close ties to the football program and Duck Athletic Fund, often evidenced by Alumni events at away games. To characterize the Oregon fan base as made up of mostly non-alum fans is silly and not supported by the facts. BUT there is the other side of this coin, which is the Oregon football program has been marketed in ways that "casual fans" that never attended the university WANT to attend games and identify with the team. Those ticket purchases, and apparel purchases and public declarations of support for the team are evidence of successful marketing that gets more butts in the seats. "They are an entitled group that exists only because of the Financial support from Nike and Phil Knight. " In fact, Oregon has one of the largest donor bases of $1,000 donors among the public universities in the Pac12. There are many more donors to Oregon athletics than to OSU athletics in sheer count. BTW, Phil Knight assigns almost all of his donation money to capital projects (buildings, facilities, etc.). The finances for the annual operating budget at Oregon come largely from donations made by others [along with revenue sources that many schools have in money from the conference, money from marketing contracts (e.g. Nike, Under Armor, etc.), money for media rights, and money from students]. OSU surely has great fans. And those fans surely have been loyal and long-suffering. Oregon fans are about to experience something that has not happened in my lifetime ... a completely new coaching staff for the football program. And while even the slightly tainted measures of star-ratings for football recruits might indicate things are going well ... the real test will be how the Duck fans react to the LOSSES on the field during 2017 football season. Its easy to have that many fans when winning. But how many those those "fans" would remain if oregon has a bad decade? But yeah, duck fans remind me of all those Laker fans who show up at the Moda Center. Oregon State fans have more fanhood than oregon fans. As for Taggart coaching at OSU, it would be interesting what Taggart would do with an Oregon State, Indiana, Illinois, Rutgers, Northwestern, Iowa State, Vanderbilt, or Kentucky.
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Post by nabeav on Jul 11, 2017 7:57:59 GMT -8
I've never been a big fan of the "you have to root for the team closest to you" mentality. A lot of those Oregon Laker fans grew up watching the Showtime Lakers, one of the best and most entertaining teams ever. Why wouldn't they root for them? My dad and all his buddies are Yankees fans because they grew up watching Mickey Mantle. Likewise in college football, anyone born after like 1984 started paying attention to the sports around the time Oregon went to the Rose Bowl vs. Penn State in 1994 and has seen them in a bowl game 26 of the last 29 seasons. We've been to 11 in that same time frame. I get it. I'll agree that OSU fans are fans for reasons other than "this team is really good and fun to watch." We almost all grew up going to the games, went to school here, or our parents went to school here, or our grandparents went to school here, or all of the above. I don't think that makes us "better" fans.
I mean, aside from the Cubs, can you think of another huge fan base of a historically bad team? How many Red Sox fans did you know before they beat the Yankees in 2004? Kids weren't wearing Chris Mullin jerseys back in my day, but they sure all have Steph Curry jerseys now. When you win, people like you. When you do it consistently over decades, you create a whole generation of fans.
As for your assertion of what Taggart would do with a lesser known school, just look at what Mike Riley is doing at Nebraska...we don't have to wonder what he'd do at Oregon State. Schools, big stadiums full of fans, and victories are far better recruiters than any coach.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jul 11, 2017 8:57:44 GMT -8
I've never been a big fan of the "you have to root for the team closest to you" mentality. A lot of those Oregon Laker fans grew up watching the Showtime Lakers, one of the best and most entertaining teams ever. Why wouldn't they root for them? My dad and all his buddies are Yankees fans because they grew up watching Mickey Mantle. Likewise in college football, anyone born after like 1984 started paying attention to the sports around the time Oregon went to the Rose Bowl vs. Penn State in 1994 and has seen them in a bowl game 26 of the last 29 seasons. We've been to 11 in that same time frame. I get it. I'll agree that OSU fans are fans for reasons other than "this team is really good and fun to watch." We almost all grew up going to the games, went to school here, or our parents went to school here, or our grandparents went to school here, or all of the above. I don't think that makes us "better" fans. I mean, aside from the Cubs, can you think of another huge fan base of a historically bad team? How many Red Sox fans did you know before they beat the Yankees in 2004? Kids weren't wearing Chris Mullin jerseys back in my day, but they sure all have Steph Curry jerseys now. When you win, people like you. When you do it consistently over decades, you create a whole generation of fans. As for your assertion of what Taggart would do with a lesser known school, just look at what Mike Riley is doing at Nebraska...we don't have to wonder what he'd do at Oregon State. Schools, big stadiums full of fans, and victories are far better recruiters than any coach. Generally yes... But I think you get into some fascinating psychological aspects of fandom. I'd argue the Patriots are probably the most hated team in all of professional football everywhere but Massachusetts. I mean, you get an hour outside of the Boston metro area, but the popular opinion changes fast. For a dynasty of a team, there is little to no national following at all! And we can't say they have the Raiders thing going on, where the fan base put effort into being "bad boys" and having an us versus them attitude. People just do not like the Patriots. was it the cheating scandal? maybe. is it "winning fatigue"? been on top too long? Belechek being obtuse and dismissive? Who knows, but it is clear winning isn't the only factor. Boise State had a lot of winning... and some rabid fans in idaho... but everybody else on this earth, including me, hate them with a passion. Not because they beat us a few times, but because they always were punk-asses on the field. because they targeted our best players and looked to hurt them. Heck while we are at it, Fresno State's brief flirting with success sure didn't excuse the Red Wave's behavior. everybody hates them too! So, I'd say you have to be winners yes, but you also have to be a likable team... otherwise you are quick to be the villain in popular opinion's eyes.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jul 11, 2017 9:07:09 GMT -8
Red Sox have had a huge fan base way before 2004. Cubs and Sox fans are everywhere and embraced their WS futility.
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Post by green85 on Jul 11, 2017 14:05:41 GMT -8
Red Sox have had a huge fan base way before 2004. Cubs and Sox fans are everywhere and embraced their WS futility. BTW, I was born in Rhode Island and in my early years became a Red Sox fan. I have older siblings who are all Yankees fans. Went to Fenway with my Dad twice. Boston had some excellent teams and great players in the decades I have followed them. Falling short in 1967, 1975 and 1986 was tough ... but like Cubs fans I held hope for the future. 2004 was a miracle I thought I would not see in my lifetime.
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