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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 24, 2017 23:09:17 GMT -8
First. The Pac-12. No conference tournament and no instant replay.
Second. Pat Casey. Casey got flat out-coached. He did not ask for a replay on Friday. He went with Thompson on Friday and Fehmel on Saturday. No Ras?
Third. The NCAA. RPI is and continues to be a joke. The NCAA cannot allow an umpire from the SEC call an elimination game with an SEC team. The same would be true of a Pac-12 conference umpire, if a Pac-12 team is involved. At the very least, umpires at the College World Series should be best of the best. Greg Street is either paid off, an SEC honk, or incompetent. In any instance, he has no business calling the LSU-Oregon State game. Elite teams deserve elite umpires.
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Post by jwilly on Jun 25, 2017 0:20:43 GMT -8
Why do we need to blame anyone?
This was an amazing team that made the final four, yet, unfortunately couldnt quite finish it off.
While I don't disagree with the points you made, I'd say the biggest factor was we just stopped hitting the damn ball the past 2 games. If you need anything to blame, the 3 Lsu pitchers that threw the last 18 innings complety dialed in are a good place to start.
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Post by avidbeaver on Jun 25, 2017 0:36:07 GMT -8
I wouldn't say completely dialed in by Gilbert. He had some help but took advantage of what they gave him. Gilbert being dialed in is stretching it literally if you get what I mean. Now Lange on the other hand was dialed in after the bad call. He got the benefit of the doubt with some strike calls a little off the plate but it came no where near what Gilbert was given today. At least the beavers could have hit some of Lange pitches on the outside but couldn't after Lange escaped that one inning. I could live with most of the pitches called strikes that Lange had on friday. Different story on Saturday.
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Jun 25, 2017 3:36:22 GMT -8
Any truth to the rumor that Street worked the Corvallis regional? Did he spend his off time pondering the local sports news as reported then? Did someone run over his dog? Piss in his cereal? Turn down an unwanted sexual advance?
He sure acted like a man stroking a hard-on for OSU and that is a shame.
Enjoyed the ride till the end, way to Go Beavs!!
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Post by badwack on Jun 25, 2017 4:05:36 GMT -8
Blame you ask? Blame #1 Try to name the Beav's CWS Hitting Hero.
Blame #2
Game #1 LH
Game #2 JT
Game #3 Razz
Game #4 BF
Game #5 LH
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Post by yatinexile on Jun 25, 2017 7:59:24 GMT -8
Any truth to the rumor that Street worked the Corvallis regional? Yes. Street worked the plate in game 1 (Yale 5, Nebraska 1) on June 2, 3B in game 3 (Holy Cross 7, Nebraska 4) on June 3, 2B in game 4 (OSU 11, Yale 0) on June 3 and 1B in game 5 (Yale 9, HC 5) on June 4. Street did not work the Corvallis super. |
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Post by ag87 on Jun 25, 2017 9:00:17 GMT -8
The NCAA needs to review their umpiring scheduling protocol. At the world series I don't know if there are split crews or they are from the same conference - I'm guessing they are split. There is no way that the last two games should have a SEC (or Pac-12) guy doing the games. It's easy to fix.
I quit watching the NBA after 2002. Before that time it seemed that some of the outcomes were predetermined. During the Kings/Lakers western conference final, it was obvious to me. I didn't think I was upset as I was last night but I woke up several times thinking about the ways OSU was hurt by "human mistakes" from the umpiring crew. And my mind went back to that NBA series. Regarding Kwan's triple, the third base umpire was about 150 to 170-feet away from the wall. If the umpire is actually looking, he NEVER misses that call. I attributed the strike zone to incompetence but taken with call on the fence, I wonder. It seems so unlikely any money changed hands . . . . but that fence call. What does Tim Donaghy think?
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Post by ricke71 on Jun 25, 2017 9:08:13 GMT -8
Sorry if your fan-dom is of a nature that needs to look for 'blame' at all. Great season - fun team - so many enjoyable Fridays, Saturday's and Sunday's going back to mid-February. Wonderful young men, many of whom we'll be treated to next season. Speaking of which, the old adage "strength up the middle", will be off the charts in 2018 with Rutschman, Grenier/Madrigal, Kwan. Can't wait for Surprise AZ !
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Post by thewizard on Jun 25, 2017 9:15:01 GMT -8
Our 1 - 5 guys just did not show up at the plate at all in the last 2 games. Heck, only Nick had more than 2 hits the entire time at the CWS. Maybe Larnach and Jack had 3. In the final 2 games we just did not adjust and hit the ball. You can blame the umps, but in the end, we needed to ADJUST. Michael Gretler said that in an interview. Not saying that the umpire crew wasn't good, but you have to ADJUST to SUCCEED. No more excuses!
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Jun 25, 2017 9:39:44 GMT -8
There was no adjustment possible, unless we had 5' long bats we couldn't possibly hit the crap that was being called strikes.
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Post by 56chevy on Jun 25, 2017 9:40:25 GMT -8
The "we have to adjust" theme is nice, but we got hosed by the guy behind the plate, pure and simple. If there is a way for a batter to adjust to pitches being called strikes that are in the other batters box, I'd like to hear it. In addition, the pitch before the three run home run that Bryce threw was clearly a strike which would have made the count 2-2 not 3-1. In hindsight that could have changed things substantially. This game resembled the game two loss at UCLA in how it was called behind the plate, with a similar outcome. If it's not the College World Series, you just acknowledge you got hosed and move on to tomorrow. We got hosed, lets move on. I just booked tickets to Surprise for next February, Southwest Airlines has them for $94 each way right now:-)
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Post by OriginalWhizzinator on Jun 25, 2017 10:22:08 GMT -8
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Post by mtbeaver on Jun 25, 2017 11:50:20 GMT -8
It does help the pain of an otherwise brutal 24 hours. Thanks for sharing! |
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Post by mb on Jun 25, 2017 13:37:04 GMT -8
Following the Corvallis Regional, the Beavers (and fans) were riding high, on top of the college baseball world. Then came Danny Moran and Canzano; exit Luke Heimlich. The Beavs found it within themselves to pull up their bootstraps and take a decent Vanderbilt team to the wood shed. Recovery mode going well. Then up pops a drug test and catches up with C-dog. Another starter is not going to Omaha. Even though we are deep in outfielders, he was hitting the ball fairly well, but another piece of the puzzle is missing. Onward.
The Beavs come out slow against a decent Fullerton team but in the end did what they've done all year, found a way to win. LSU? No problem; take them to the wood shed ala Vandy. Just another overrated SEC team, right? A few days to get the arms rested and take in the sights and they're back against a team they owned four days earlier. This time LSU's ace Alex Lange, a first round pick, was ready. He was dealing when Stephen Kwan got up with one out and two on in the 3rd inning and laced a double off the foul line on the wall in left field. Not so says the 3rd base umpire and crew chief Danny Collins. As Janis J says, "Take another little piece of my heart."
Losing to a very good pitcher 3-1 was tough, but things are still looking good for Saturday. Rassmussen on the mound against LSU pitcher Caleb Gilbert, whom the boys hit fairly well in relief on Monday. Piece of cake. Hmmmm, Rass? No, Fehmel again. I don't totally disagree with this decision. If Bryce's stuff is still good, get what you can out of him with a short leash. A 4 pitch first inning was making the coaches' call look pretty good. Enter the strike zone of Greg Street, with a bad left eye and the rest is history.
This team fought through alot of adversity and held their heads high. They kept throwing punches, but in my opinion, all of the issues mentioned above finally took a toll.
The Beavers will be back next year and all of the i's and t's will be dotted and crossed. Pat Casey is a man of integrity, one hell of a coach and fire in his belly. These kids, and Beaver Nation, will not be denied in 2018. MB.
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Post by jrock311 on Jun 25, 2017 20:52:01 GMT -8
Let me begin by letting everyone on this board know that I'm an LSU fan who happens to live in Baton Rouge as well. I created an account here prior to the first LSU/OSU CWS game b/c I appreciated and respected the passion that OSU fans have for their baseball program. We as LSU fans have that same passion for our baseball program which has it's own tradition and great support while taking a back seat to a football program that drives all LSU Athletics. I chose this thread b/c it's subject is a common discussion the day following any teams early post season exit. I'm a big team fan of the Houston Astros and LSU baseball but I'm just a huge fan of the sport of baseball at all levels and I was even blessed to play at the DIV 1 level. I wanted to provide my thoughts on this subject and OSU's play over the last few games. I'll be very objective and impartial but I'm sure there will still be a few here who dispute that. I apologize in advance for such a long post.
Umpires that official these games enforce the rule book while relying on personal judgement to make calls. They often make bad calls and games are effected as a result one way or another. We hope that the games outcome isn't directly decided by that one bad call. As fans we are emotionally involved and we are quick to "blame" (especially officiating) when some bad calls are made and our teams lose.
Friday's OSU/LSU Game: Lange was dialed in through 7.1 innings and his only mistakes were in the 3rd where a mechanics issue caused him to struggle with command. We all know this is when Kwon sent the ball into the LF corner hitting the yellow foul line under the foul pole with runners on 1st & 2nd with 1 out. Pat Casey & his Asst Coach thought the ball was indeed foul and declined to ask the officials for a review. If this ball is called fair then a couple runs come across for OSU and it's potentially a different ball game. Timely hitting with RISP is vital in games like this and leaving bases full of Beavers in the 3rd really hurt OSU.
Conclusion: Pat Casey's decision to decline review ended up being a big mistake since 2 runs possibly score in a game that was decided by 2 runs. OSU's lack of offensive production through the line up did nothing to off-set the foul call. Lange had a lot to do with that and finished with 8 SO's & 1 Run on 2 Hits.
Saturday's OSU/LSU Game: (Just hear me out)
Gilbert was great considering he's spent all season in LSU's bull pen. He went 7.1 innings allowing 1 Run on 2 Hits & just 1 Walk. Gilbert was dialed in as well and took full advantage of home plate umpires very generous zone. He's stayed down & on the black hitting Pap's mitt wherever he was calling for it which was usually down on the outside edge. Look, I totally understand why so many of you are upset about the strike zone. There were some balls that were clearly 6 inches off the plate that Gilbert would benefit from. Now, it's hard for OSU fans to accept but the umpire was calling it both ways but the wide strike zone had a larger negative impact on OSU hitters. The reason OSU hitters were getting more of these strikes off the plate called early on is b/c they left the bat on their shoulders as Gilbert took advantage of the new strike zone. OSU's patience and plate approach that they were used to wasn't going to get it done with this type of strike zone. LSU's aggressive approach at the plate was exactly what needed to be done with this new strike zone. LSU hitters were even toeing the chalk in the box throughout the game but OSU hitters stayed where they were comfortable. This is the adjustments that people are talking about OSU needing to make. Of course you can't hit a ball in the other batters box but Gilbert threw around 105 pitches and 70 were strikes. All 70 strikes were not in the other batters box where they couldn't be hit. Every pitcher wants to work ahead in the count and Gilbert is no exception, especially against a good hitting OSU team. They didn't take advantage of the early count fastball's or they were late getting around on it. LSU took advantage of early count fastballs and when they were left up in the zone they did what good hitters do and they left the yard. I agree with everyone that starting Fehmel and not Ras was the wrong decision. LSU already had a good look at Fehmel and his stuff isn't electric enough to stall a tough LSU lineup for a 2nd time.
Conclusion: The umpire behind the plate was terrible without a doubt and made OSU hitters uncomfortable but he isn't the reason OSU lost the game. In a match up between 2 teams like this it's sad that the headlines are about bad umpires. Gilbert and Hess took full advantage of this umpire's terrible strike zone and OSU pitchers did not. LSU's production from the bottom half of it's lineup has been a game changer. OSU ran into 2 really good pitchers and couldn't get any production. In 18 innings against LSU the OSU offense scored 2 runs on 5 hits.
Congrats on the best regular season that most of us has ever witnessed. I enjoyed watching the Beavers play and I'm now a fan of OSU.
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