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Post by TheGlove on Jun 21, 2017 5:53:51 GMT -8
All the haters like to point out that our SOS is very low.
One thing that skews the SOS is that, unlike our conference opponents, we don't have to play ourselves.
Can one of you math wiz/stat geeks take out our lowest P12 SOS opponent and replace it with OSU, just to see if my hypothesis makes any difference to our overall SOS?
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Post by atownbeaver on Jun 21, 2017 6:23:30 GMT -8
I think instead of wasting time doing math and whatnot, we just point to our curb stomping of LSU and say "Shut up".
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Post by codyd70 on Jun 21, 2017 6:53:36 GMT -8
Got this
PAC vs SEC
SEC .230 ba 6.28 era
PAC .287 ba 2.41 era
PAC #1 vs SEC #1
PAC #1 vs SEC #6 x2
PAC #8 vs SEC #5 x3
SEC vs OSU
SEC .177 ba 9.69 era
OSU .327 ba 2.00 era
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sessbeav
Freshman
Posts: 488 
Grad Year: Should’ve been 1991. Actual…..2006. Beer derailed me.
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Post by sessbeav on Jun 21, 2017 8:13:26 GMT -8
I think instead of wasting time doing math and whatnot, we just point to our curb stomping of LSU and say "Shut up". Especially since they view the guy who 2 hit them as a gas can, who wouldn't make an SEC roster. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 21, 2017 17:57:41 GMT -8
All the haters like to point out that our SOS is very low. One thing that skews the SOS is that, unlike our conference opponents, we don't have to play ourselves. Can one of you math wiz/stat geeks take out our lowest P12 SOS opponent and replace it with OSU, just to see if my hypothesis makes any difference to our overall SOS? What SOS are you talking about? RPI? RPI is 1/4 record, 1/2 opponents' record, and 1/4 opponents' opponents record. I would have to double-check, but the most numerous opponents' opponent is typically the team. Thus, from what I have read, the team that most affects the opponents' opponent portion is Oregon State. For example: Right now, Oregon State has 24 opponents. 2 X Duke (1/29) 2 X Indiana (1/30) 2 X Nebraska (1/29) 2 X Ohio State (1/28) 3 X UC Davis (1/17) 4 X Ball State (2/29) 3 X Arizona State (3/56) 3 X Arizona (3/59) 1 X Saint Mary's College (1/57) 3 X Stanford (3/58) 2 X Portland (1/26) 3 X Utah (1/17) 3 X Washington (1/18) 3 X UCLA (1/19) 3 X USC (3/55) 4 X Oregon (4/55) 3 X California (1/18) 3 X Washington State (3/53) 4 X Abilene Christian (4/53) 1 X Holy Cross (1/53) 2 X Yale (1/26) 2 X Vanderbilt (1/31) 1 X Cal State Fullerton (1/53) 1 X LSU (1/66) Currently, Oregon State's record is worth approximately approximately 1/19.5 of its opponents' opponents portion or around 1/78 of its total RPI plus the 1/4 that schedule is worth, so Oregon State's record is worth approximately .263 of its RPI total. That also means that Oregon State's SOS is approximately 1/58 Oregon State's record. So, in effect, Oregon State already gets "credit" for playing itself a little more than once. As for your hypothetical, are you proposing to remove USC, the team with the worst record and RPI, or Oregon, the team that played the softest non-conference schedule? |
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lngjhnag
Freshman
If you're lucky enough to be at the beach, you're lucky enough.
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Post by lngjhnag on Jun 22, 2017 3:07:18 GMT -8
In the words of BMoby, "My head, my head!!!" That's a lot of math there.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 22, 2017 14:41:00 GMT -8
All the haters like to point out that our SOS is very low. One thing that skews the SOS is that, unlike our conference opponents, we don't have to play ourselves. Can one of you math wiz/stat geeks take out our lowest P12 SOS opponent and replace it with OSU, just to see if my hypothesis makes any difference to our overall SOS? Look at Florida. The worst team that they played in RPI is Alabama, who they have to play. The next-worst team? Stetson at 157. Oregon State played 13 regular season games against teams with an RPI worse than Stetson's. That's almost a quarter of the Beavers' season. If Oregon State was trying to win the RPI game, they are doing it wrong. The six games against Abilene Christian and Portland are particularly bad RPI killers. RPI is one of the only rating systems (probably the only rating system that is taken "seriously") that punishes teams for winning, if those wins are against bad competition. Think about that. Oregon State could go to the movies or go fly kites and do more for their RPI than play Abilene Christian and Portland. That is why no one should take RPI seriously. The fact that the NCAA uses it to set up brackets is mind-numbing. Its primary use is in distinguishing teams with identical records. RPI does a decent job of that. But the second that anyone starts saying that team X with a worse record is better than team Y with a better record, because of RPI, that is pure nonsense. A coin flip would probably be correct a larger percentage of the time. |
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Post by beaverstever on Jun 24, 2017 9:58:50 GMT -8
Orgon State isn't trying to dump their RPI with those garbage games. They're trying to not spend a fortune on travel costs, and playing teams they can cost-effectively reach. Abilene Christian was an artifact of who is available at that time of year (almost nobody) - due to OSU not having a Pac-12 series while everybody else is having conference tourneys.
BTW - Stetson smoked Florida, remember? Then they magically cancelled the game due to weather and tried to pretend that the game never happened.
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