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Post by shelby on Jun 18, 2017 5:50:48 GMT -8
Our starting lineup manufactured runs and key at bats plus key hits. One key to the game was the number of pitches we were either fouling off or looking off.
This then forced CSF pitchers to get into bad counts, and this led to them missing their spots and serving up some fat balls. Really amazing to watch, so I watched it again last night late.
Then, looked at the box score again. Amazing that two of our key offensive weapons did not register a hit - Kwan or KJ, only other starter to miss on a hit was Cary, but - even he was driving up the pitch count that changed the coach's pitcher selection and timing,
Then, watching the guys square balls up the middle, with 2 outs and runners in scoring position was a pure clinic.
Can't begin to explain how important Mullholland was, that was a clinic on long middle relief.
That game should be a must watch for coaches and players for a long time.
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Post by Beavcat on Jun 18, 2017 7:40:05 GMT -8
I think I read they threw 176 pitches in 8 innings = 22 pitches per inning = discipline.
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Post by gzrbvr on Jun 18, 2017 8:22:25 GMT -8
Our starting lineup manufactured runs and key at bats plus key hits. One key to the game was the number of pitches we were either fouling off or looking off. This then forced CSF pitchers to get into bad counts, and this led to them missing their spots and serving up some fat balls. Really amazing to watch, so I watched it again last night late. Then, looked at the box score again. Amazing that two of our key offensive weapons did not register a hit - Kwan or KJ, only other starter to miss on a hit was Cary, but - even he was driving up the pitch count that changed the coach's pitcher selection and timing, Then, watching the guys square balls up the middle, with 2 outs and runners in scoring position was a pure clinic. Can't begin to explain how important Mullholland was, that was a clinic on long middle relief. That game should be a must watch for coaches and players for a long time. Question--How does fouling off a pitch put the pitcher in a bad count? I can see it puts one more strain on the pitchers arm, but it helps his count. What am I missing here? Also, what happens when some team says, "Screw it-here it comes in the strike zone-hit it or not"?? If the Beavs are taking half the time, our count will not be so good. My guess is the opposing pitchers have to be really disciplined and smart. Is that even possible in baseball these days?? In any endeavor, it is a rare combination. Just asking--- |
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Post by ricke71 on Jun 18, 2017 8:30:44 GMT -8
Our starting lineup manufactured runs and key at bats plus key hits. One key to the game was the number of pitches we were either fouling off or looking off. This then forced CSF pitchers to get into bad counts, and this led to them missing their spots and serving up some fat balls. Really amazing to watch, so I watched it again last night late. Then, looked at the box score again. Amazing that two of our key offensive weapons did not register a hit - Kwan or KJ, only other starter to miss on a hit was Cary, but - even he was driving up the pitch count that changed the coach's pitcher selection and timing, Then, watching the guys square balls up the middle, with 2 outs and runners in scoring position was a pure clinic. Can't begin to explain how important Mullholland was, that was a clinic on long middle relief. That game should be a must watch for coaches and players for a long time. Question--How does fouling off a pitch put the pitcher in a bad count? I can see it puts one more strain on the pitchers arm, but it helps his count. What am I missing here? Also, what happens when some team says, "Screw it-here it comes in the strike zone-hit it or not"?? If the Beavs are taking half the time, our count will not be so good. My guess is the opposing pitchers have to be really disciplined and smart. Is that even possible in baseball these days?? In any endeavor, it is a rare combination. Just asking--- Fouling 3 or 4 pitches PUTS the P into a bad count, because sooner or later he'll miss the strike zone (assuming he's not Greg Maddox or Dennis Eckersley. |
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Post by gzrbvr on Jun 18, 2017 8:52:51 GMT -8
Question--How does fouling off a pitch put the pitcher in a bad count? I can see it puts one more strain on the pitchers arm, but it helps his count. What am I missing here? Also, what happens when some team says, "Screw it-here it comes in the strike zone-hit it or not"?? If the Beavs are taking half the time, our count will not be so good. My guess is the opposing pitchers have to be really disciplined and smart. Is that even possible in baseball these days?? In any endeavor, it is a rare combination. Just asking--- Fouling 3 or 4 pitches PUTS the P into a bad count, because sooner or later he'll miss the strike zone (assuming he's not Greg Maddox or Dennis Eckersley. I'll take your word for it--It just seems to me with an 0-2 count after 3 or 4 pitches, the batter cannot afford a swing and a miss or a bad judgement on a close one or a bad call from the ump. The pitcher has three chances to miss the strike zone before the rubber meets the road--- |
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Post by jdogge on Jun 18, 2017 10:56:28 GMT -8
Our starting lineup manufactured runs and key at bats plus key hits. One key to the game was the number of pitches we were either fouling off or looking off. This then forced CSF pitchers to get into bad counts, and this led to them missing their spots and serving up some fat balls. Really amazing to watch, so I watched it again last night late. Then, looked at the box score again. Amazing that two of our key offensive weapons did not register a hit - Kwan or KJ, only other starter to miss on a hit was Cary, but - even he was driving up the pitch count that changed the coach's pitcher selection and timing, Then, watching the guys square balls up the middle, with 2 outs and runners in scoring position was a pure clinic. Can't begin to explain how important Mullholland was, that was a clinic on long middle relief. That game should be a must watch for coaches and players for a long time. KJ pushed the pitch count on one at bat that I can think of -- 6th or 7th inning. Forced 13 pitches before he walked. 13! |
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Post by hometownbeaver on Jun 18, 2017 11:23:41 GMT -8
Our starting lineup manufactured runs and key at bats plus key hits. One key to the game was the number of pitches we were either fouling off or looking off. This then forced CSF pitchers to get into bad counts, and this led to them missing their spots and serving up some fat balls. Really amazing to watch, so I watched it again last night late. Then, looked at the box score again. Amazing that two of our key offensive weapons did not register a hit - Kwan or KJ, only other starter to miss on a hit was Cary, but - even he was driving up the pitch count that changed the coach's pitcher selection and timing, Then, watching the guys square balls up the middle, with 2 outs and runners in scoring position was a pure clinic. Can't begin to explain how important Mullholland was, that was a clinic on long middle relief. That game should be a must watch for coaches and players for a long time. KJ pushed the pitch count on one at bat that I can think of -- 6th or 7th inning. Forced 13 pitches before he walked. 13! not just 14 pitches but it started as a 0-2 count before he pushed it to 4 balls and got free bases. the key here is having hitters that can hit with 2 strikes. it allows us to take pitches to make the pitcher throw 2-5 pitches before we plan to hit and then still getting on base really tears into a pitch count. This has been a key to success all year when the beavers opponents dropped someone we had trouble with he cannot last 5 innings + because we just burn his arm out. |
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Post by beaverdude on Jun 18, 2017 11:45:12 GMT -8
The biggest impact of that 14 pitch walk was mental. The pitcher throws his nastiest stuff and he can't get the guy out. The frustration leads to mistakes.
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Post by shelby on Jun 18, 2017 12:12:24 GMT -8
The answer has been covered above. I will just add that the frustration then carries over to the next hitter, where the mental part of pitching starts betraying the guy on the rubber. KJ was the perfect example.
The UCF coach was also affected as he made some pitching changes that he later admitted did not work out.
The biggest thing to me is the coach said ' they kicked our a$$. 6-5 doesn't portray that, but, what he meant was we had 11 hits to their 3, and their hitters could not scratch out a hit against either Mullaney or Rasmussen.
While, at the same time, we took advantage of every opportunity.
LSU will be a real test for us and Fehmel, et al, but I bet that there will be a solid game plan and approach - all the guys have to do is continue executing.
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Post by mbabeav on Jun 18, 2017 18:21:14 GMT -8
The answer has been covered above. I will just add that the frustration then carries over to the next hitter, where the mental part of pitching starts betraying the guy on the rubber. KJ was the perfect example. The UCF coach was also affected as he made some pitching changes that he later admitted did not work out. The biggest thing to me is the coach said ' they kicked our a$$. 6-5 doesn't portray that, but, what he meant was we had 11 hits to their 3, and their hitters could not scratch out a hit against either Mullaney or Rasmussen. While, at the same time, we took advantage of every opportunity. LSU will be a real test for us and Fehmel, et al, but I bet that there will be a solid game plan and approach - all the guys have to do is continue executing. Hate to naysay, but if we'd taken advantage of every opportunity, we would have won by 6 |
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