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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 17, 2017 8:07:46 GMT -8
1. Luke Heimlich has violated no laws of the State of Oregon.
2. His juvenile offense in the State of Washington was adjudicated 6 years ago. He's done everything required of him and is months away from the offense being cleared from his record.
3. Only reason this even became public was because of a mistake by Corvallis PD. And because of Luke and OSU baseball's success and prominence.
In the end, publication of the story did not serve the interests of the victim, of Luke, of our educational system or our justice system. It only served the interests of the Oregonian.
In the end an entirely self-serving and reckless publicity stunt by the Oregonian.
And their reporting on the facts was shallow and amateurish compared to the depth and thoroughness of the Portland Tribune's coverage.
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Post by NativeBeav on Jun 17, 2017 8:52:11 GMT -8
Couldn't agree more. Native Oregonian, had a subscription in the day, only wish I had one now to cancel. So glad, having spent most of my life in the PDX suburbs, to be out of that cesspool called Portland. Unfortunately, I think the Oregonian reflects mostly Portland, and should be renamed the Portlandian. Will not listen ever again to Clownzano or the rest of the tripe at that rag. Gave up on most of that paper long ago, used to pay some attention to the sports. Now? Not so much. Drop dead JC and Moran
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Post by baseba1111 on Jun 17, 2017 9:12:49 GMT -8
Couldn't agree more. Native Oregonian, had a subscription in the day, only wish I had one now to cancel. So glad, having spent most of my life in the PDX suburbs, to be out of that cesspool called Portland. Unfortunately, I think the Oregonian reflects mostly Portland, and should be renamed the Portlandian. Will not listen ever again to Clownzano or the rest of the tripe at that rag. Gave up on most of that paper long ago, used to pay some attention to the sports. Now? Not so much. Drop dead JC and Moran They try very hard to support their trash. Early Sunday edition has opinion piece from OSU baseball fan. She too was molested and feels betrayed because Luke never apologized to her and others and he showed no remorse! Of course they not only print it, it's 3/4 of the page. Obviously this woman is not healed and forever wants to play the victim card. I'm guessing she wants every "Luke" to apologize directly to her? She is not owed an apology from Luke, nor is any OSU fan. He, I'm sure, not only made apologies to the appropriate victim/ family but feels plenty of remorse. And has for 6 years. Ms. Gorchels I pray for your recovery, but you are way out of line. This episode, unfortunately like 100s of others each year, may jolt your "selective amnesia" but just because Luke is affiliated with OSU baseball your situation is not Luke's cross to bear. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Jun 17, 2017 15:16:50 GMT -8
Couldn't agree more. Native Oregonian, had a subscription in the day, only wish I had one now to cancel. So glad, having spent most of my life in the PDX suburbs, to be out of that cesspool called Portland. Unfortunately, I think the Oregonian reflects mostly Portland, and should be renamed the Portlandian. Will not listen ever again to Clownzano or the rest of the tripe at that rag. Gave up on most of that paper long ago, used to pay some attention to the sports. Now? Not so much. Drop dead JC and Moran They try very hard to support their trash. Early Sunday edition has opinion piece from OSU baseball fan. She too was molested and feels betrayed because Luke never apologized to her and others and he showed no remorse! Of course they not only print it, it's 3/4 of the page. Obviously this woman is not healed and forever wants to play the victim card. I'm guessing she wants every "Luke" to apologize directly to her? She is not owed an apology from Luke, nor is any OSU fan. He, am sure, not only made apologies to the appropriate victim/ family but feels plenty of remorse. And has for 6 years. Ms. Gorchels I pray for your recovery, but you are way out of line. This episode, unfortunately like 100s of others each year, may jolt your "selective amnesia" but just because Luke is affiliated with OSU baseball your situation is not Luke's cross to bear. Love how POS JC and company post editorials to try and justify/ bolster their position after stepping in it. As the expression goes, when you are knee deep in scat, stop digging. And yes, Ms. Gorchels IS way out of line. Really doubt she is a fan of baseball or OSU. I too pray for her recovery, but you have to want to get better and move on, not rehash and relive it. Many of us have had very bad things happen to us - it is all in the approach and how we deal with it. |
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Post by obf on Jun 19, 2017 10:29:50 GMT -8
They try very hard to support their trash. Early Sunday edition has opinion piece from OSU baseball fan. She too was molested and feels betrayed because Luke never apologized to her and others and he showed no remorse! Of course they not only print it, it's 3/4 of the page. Obviously this woman is not healed and forever wants to play the victim card. I'm guessing she wants every "Luke" to apologize directly to her? She is not owed an apology from Luke, nor is any OSU fan. He, am sure, not only made apologies to the appropriate victim/ family but feels plenty of remorse. And has for 6 years. Ms. Gorchels I pray for your recovery, but you are way out of line. This episode, unfortunately like 100s of others each year, may jolt your "selective amnesia" but just because Luke is affiliated with OSU baseball your situation is not Luke's cross to bear. Love how POS JC and company post editorials to try and justify/ bolster their position after stepping in it. As the expression goes, when you are knee deep in scat, stop digging. And yes, Ms. Gorchels IS way out of line. Really doubt she is a fan of baseball or OSU. I too pray for her recovery, but you have to want to get better and move on, not rehash and relive it. Many of us have had very bad things happen to us - it is all in the approach and how we deal with it. Yet another reason the posting of the article was thoughtless... not only did it force Luke's victim to relive rehash things, but it forced other victims of similar abuse... And for what? Clicks and ad revenue, that is all... |
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Post by nabeav on Jun 19, 2017 14:40:16 GMT -8
I'm starting to come around to y'alls way of thinking on the Oregonian. I'm still not upset at Moran for posting the original story or at Canzano for his opinion piece (that's his job after all, to provide his opinion), but the posting of the editorial really seemed like piling on. Particularly this: "If Oregon State had better understood Heimlich's situation, they might have offered more than just supportive coaches to help him thrive as a pitcher. For instance, they might have made sure Heimlich wasn't accused of failing to renew his status on the sex offender registry."
So Oregon State should've known that the police department would incorrectly cite him? How does that make sense at all. The published letter from a sex abuse survivor ends with the author saying "I am not asking OSU to condemn Heimlich, but fans who are also survivors deserve an apology from this betrayal. We deserve a promise to make amends."
What amends? What exactly should OSU apologize for? The only way they need to apologize is if they failed to observe their own policies and procedures, which Ed Ray seemed to deny in his letter last week.
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Post by bill82 on Jun 20, 2017 13:24:57 GMT -8
I'm starting to come around to y'alls way of thinking on the Oregonian. I'm still not upset at Moran for posting the original story or at Canzano for his opinion piece (that's his job after all, to provide his opinion), but the posting of the editorial really seemed like piling on. Particularly this: "If Oregon State had better understood Heimlich's situation, they might have offered more than just supportive coaches to help him thrive as a pitcher. For instance, they might have made sure Heimlich wasn't accused of failing to renew his status on the sex offender registry." So Oregon State should've known that the police department would incorrectly cite him? How does that make sense at all. The published letter from a sex abuse survivor ends with the author saying "I am not asking OSU to condemn Heimlich, but fans who are also survivors deserve an apology from this betrayal. We deserve a promise to make amends." What amends? What exactly should OSU apologize for? The only way they need to apologize is if they failed to observe their own policies and procedures, which Ed Ray seemed to deny in his letter last week. The Oregonian has crossed over into fake news on this topic. JC is way over the line. He acted surprised that an elected official/DA called into his talk show and went on a law and order rant against LH. He took a call from Mike from Salem, who offered vague credentials and then contradicted everything we've learned about this situation. He is organizing other like minded journalist to retweet and interview each other to repeat JC's talking points. It is clear he is on a crusade. Appearing at the CWS is the classic narcissist move to show off and take a curtain with the other journos. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 14:23:51 GMT -8
It is really a tactical error by them.
Winning the battle of clicks is something a large news organization can parlay into revenue because the scale of clicks but a national news site like fox dwarfs the o-lie. Just for a minor uptick in traffic O-lie has created ill will with a proportionately significant amount of this market. That eventually loses readers, clickers, advertisers, all just for their 15 minutes of national fame and self serving high handedness.
There is nothing on the O-lie i need to begin with. Now i have an active reason to avoid it. There are just too many alternatives for myself and many others to be bothered with their biased and weak content.
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Post by TheGlove on Jun 21, 2017 5:33:02 GMT -8
There is nothing on the O-lie i need to begin with. Now i have an active reason to avoid it. There are just too many alternatives for myself and many others to be bothered with their biased and weak content. Bingo! |
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Post by Headcase on Jun 21, 2017 7:26:04 GMT -8
I for one am very thankful that they did this. I have been grumbling about their blatant bias, tabloid journalism, and shoddy reporting for years.  But this story finally convinced me to stop reading them for good.  And I think I am a better person for it.  |
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