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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 15, 2017 8:22:18 GMT -8
Heimlich 6/15/17 statement.He has decided - ostensibly on his own - not to go to Omaha. It's a good statement. And if Luke actually wrote it (I have no reason to suppose he didn't) its pretty impressive. It's no accident that this appears first in the Portland Tribune - not the Oregonian. I'm sure the Oregonian will have their own self-serving spin on this.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jun 15, 2017 8:55:55 GMT -8
Heimlich 6/15/17 statement.He has decided - ostensibly on his own - not to go to Omaha. It's a good statement. And if Luke actually wrote it (I have no reason to suppose he didn't) its pretty impressive. I'm sure Canzano will have his own self-serving spin on this. Good words, strong statement. This is a said situation all around and I hope we have a good ending to it. Is it curious that this was given to the Tribune, and not the Oregonian? as of now, Oregonian has no story on this. and they are continuing to lock comments on every Luke story, purge links to other stories, and of course, purge links to the angrybeavers post. |
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Post by ricke71 on Jun 15, 2017 9:23:45 GMT -8
While I feel bad for him, this is *probably* the best outcome at this point in time. I hope he does not get hung out to dry by OSU permanently though. Now let's go out and win this mother f*cker even without our ace. Agreed. Let's WIN! As far as "ace"...we have riches to behold. All season long there has been a '1a' & '1aa' ace situation....not to mention Rasmussen coming on now as '1b' |
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Post by beaverbeliever on Jun 15, 2017 9:31:13 GMT -8
Ed Ray says he's welcome back next season:
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 15, 2017 9:34:55 GMT -8
Interesting sentence in Ed Ray's statement today.
"If Luke wishes to do so, I support him continuing his education at Oregon State and rejoining the baseball team next season."
That seems to imply that he's no longer on the OSU baseball team.
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Post by OSUprof on Jun 15, 2017 9:47:11 GMT -8
Interesting sentence in Ed Ray's statement today. "If Luke wishes to do so, I support him continuing his education at Oregon State and rejoining the baseball team next season." That seems to imply that he's no longer on the OSU baseball team. This is the correct wording. There are more than 35 players that are vying for those limited roster spots each year. Previous players are not guaranteed a roster spot. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 15, 2017 9:49:47 GMT -8
Interesting sentence in Ed Ray's statement today. "If Luke wishes to do so, I support him continuing his education at Oregon State and rejoining the baseball team next season." That seems to imply that he's no longer on the OSU baseball team. This is the correct wording. There are more than 35 players that are vying for those limited roster spots each year. Previous players are not guaranteed a roster spot. I always thought that players participating in team programs and receiving scholarship benefits in the off-season were "on the team". Would we really say that Ryan Nall is welcome to "rejoin" the OSU football team in fall 2017? |
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Post by beaverbeliever on Jun 15, 2017 9:51:54 GMT -8
Parse semantics all you want, it's clear that if Luke decides to return (and his statement seems to confirm that's his intention), he'll be starting on Fridays again.
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Post by OSUprof on Jun 15, 2017 10:15:07 GMT -8
Squonk:
Baseball is different. There are 50 or more players that participate in fall ball. Those numbers are pared down to 35 prior to the start of the season. Jacoby Ellsbury's brother was unlucky #36 (last player cut) two seasons in a row.
There are only 11.7 scholarships spread across the 35-member roster. Some players have partial scholarships and others have no scholarships at all. I knew one season-long member of the starting lineup (former student of mine) that was 100% supported by academic scholarships. These are smart kids and many are on academic scholarships.
There is occasionally a guy that's on a scholarship in another sport such as Dallas Buck who played baseball on a football scholarship.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jun 15, 2017 11:56:20 GMT -8
Squonk: Baseball is different. There are 50 or more players that participate in fall ball. Those numbers are pared down to 35 prior to the start of the season. Jacoby Ellsbury's brother was unlucky #36 (last player cut) two seasons in a row. There are only 11.7 scholarships spread across the 35-member roster. Some players have partial scholarships and others have no scholarships at all. I knew one season-long member of the starting lineup (former student of mine) that was 100% supported by academic scholarships. These are smart kids and many are on academic scholarships. There is occasionally a guy that's on a scholarship in another sport such as Dallas Buck who played baseball on a football scholarship. Interesting info. Thanks! |
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Post by mbabeav on Jun 15, 2017 12:25:41 GMT -8
Squonk: Baseball is different. There are 50 or more players that participate in fall ball. Those numbers are pared down to 35 prior to the start of the season. Jacoby Ellsbury's brother was unlucky #36 (last player cut) two seasons in a row. There are only 11.7 scholarships spread across the 35-member roster. Some players have partial scholarships and others have no scholarships at all. I knew one season-long member of the starting lineup (former student of mine) that was 100% supported by academic scholarships. These are smart kids and many are on academic scholarships. There is occasionally a guy that's on a scholarship in another sport such as Dallas Buck who played baseball on a football scholarship. Interesting info. Thanks! I believe Adley is on a football schollie |
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Post by atownbeaver on Jun 15, 2017 12:39:51 GMT -8
Interesting info. Thanks! I believe Adley is on a football schollie He'd have to be. Generally the highest revenue sport must carry the scholarship of any dual sport athlete. This was in response to a "scandal" of sorts where football schools were using golf, track, baseball, rowing, wrestling, competitive cheer (joke) or whatever other sport scholarship they could to get extra scholarship players on their team. A tactic they started using after the 85 limit hit. I am not fully up to speed on the ins and out of the rule. I assume it is conceivable he is a walk on for both teams. All I know is IF there is a scholarship, it has to count to football. |
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Post by nabeav on Jun 15, 2017 14:37:30 GMT -8
Ed Ray says he's welcome back next season: The more I read this, the more I realize that Luke just did the University a huge favor. President Ray's statement all but acknowledges that they've known about this for a while ("his participation as a student-athlete has been positive, and his presence on the team has been in compliance with existing OSU policies.") meaning that they had no problem with him pitching prior to this being publicly known. If the only thing that has changed is that people know now, I don't think the university has any justification to sideline him now, so they "strongly suggested" (borrowing terminology from Eggers Tribune article) that he not play. What those strong suggestions were, I don't know, but it's possible that it involved allowing him to come back next year, when we weren't going to be featured for (hopefully) two weeks straight on ESPN in the midst of the greatest season in college baseball history. Again, Luke made his own bed and he's got to lay in it, but it really seems like he's getting the short end of the stick all the way around right now. Allowing him to play next year is the LEAST the university should do for him. It sounds like the team and his coach aren't swayed by this, so I'm sort of disappointed OSU didn't go to bat for this kid saying "we were aware, we followed procedures, he's a member of the team, it's business as usual. See you in Omaha." |
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Post by atownbeaver on Jun 15, 2017 15:04:25 GMT -8
Ed Ray says he's welcome back next season: The more I read this, the more I realize that Luke just did the University a huge favor. President Ray's statement all but acknowledges that they've known about this for a while ("his participation as a student-athlete has been positive, and his presence on the team has been in compliance with existing OSU policies.") meaning that they had no problem with him pitching prior to this being publicly known. If the only thing that has changed is that people know now, I don't think the university has any justification to sideline him now, so they "strongly suggested" (borrowing terminology from Eggers Tribune article) that he not play. What those strong suggestions were, I don't know, but it's possible that it involved allowing him to come back next year, when we weren't going to be featured for (hopefully) two weeks straight on ESPN in the midst of the greatest season in college baseball history. Again, Luke made his own bed and he's got to lay in it, but it really seems like he's getting the short end of the stick all the way around right now. Allowing him to play next year is the LEAST the university should do for him. It sounds like the team and his coach aren't swayed by this, so I'm sort of disappointed OSU didn't go to bat for this kid saying "we were aware, we followed procedures, he's a member of the team, it's business as usual. See you in Omaha." I'd of like to see OSU support Luke from day one. But I get why they didn't. it would be THE ONLY story. every game, every everything. it would be Luke this, Luke that. should he play, should he not? blah, blah, blah. This way, it dies down. This way, in theory if we are not mistaken, in August that record has a chance of being expunged and you cannot even claim he is a sex offender. he is technically is not longer one. It isn't like you can put the cat back in the bag... but it still helps. Papers cannot say "convicted sex offender" legally any longer. His lawyer, I am sure, would be quick to threaten action to a paper doing it, if the expungement process does go through. But that aside. There was no avoiding that he was a major, major, major distraction. the other kids do not deserve that. Luke H. was 20% of our wins. We have a guy, that if not for surgery WOULD of been the Friday guy in Raz... we have Thompson and we have Femhel which I think pitched a huge, huge, HUGE middle finger game to a lot of doubters. I guy I think is back in a major way and is going to give us another huge game in Omaha. I look forward to it. I do not want THAT story to fall away in all this drama. We should be saying way more about Femhel. This is a team of destiny. Luke H. shouldn't be forced with living with holding it back. The whole thing sucks. I wish people didn't suck. I wish humans were sometimes able to turn off emotion and only be pragmatic vulcans at time... but we aren't and we can't. And yes... I really wish Luke hadn't done what he did at all. probably what I wish the most. As crappy as a lot of the OSU response has been... ultimately sitting Luke was probably the best thing. I hate to say it. I really do. |
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