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Post by elmirabeaver on Jun 12, 2017 15:36:57 GMT -8
The claim is OSU finished 50 games above .500
We played 58 games. In my admittedly non-mathematical mind, 29-29 would be .500 and a record of 54-4 would be 25 games above .500
I've seen a couple people assume that you take out the 4-4 for .500 and are left with 50, and that's where it comes from. But that doesn't make sense to me.
Can someone please, using simple terms that I'll understand, explain the math behind 54-4 being 50 games above .500?
Thanks in advance,
The Elmira Beaver
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Post by orangeblood on Jun 12, 2017 15:42:55 GMT -8
It may or may not be mathematically accurate to say it is "50 games above .500", but it is the established way that the term is used. I think the simplest explanation IS the 4-4 to 54-4 method, i.e., if you were 4-4, ask yourself how many games in a row would you have to win to get to 54-4. You could also say that from 29-29 to 54-4, you have won 25 more and lost 25 fewer... 25 + 25 equals 50. But, it really doesn't matter if the term is correct - it IS correct in baseball parlance.
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Post by beaverdude on Jun 12, 2017 15:44:41 GMT -8
or go the other direction....
How many games would you have to lose at 54-4 to reach 54-54?
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Post by blueheron on Jun 13, 2017 7:18:25 GMT -8
The claim is OSU finished 50 games above .500We played 58 games. In my admittedly non-mathematical mind, 29-29 would be .500 and a record of 54-4 would be 25 games above .500 I've seen a couple people assume that you take out the 4-4 for .500 and are left with 50, and that's where it comes from. But that doesn't make sense to me. Can someone please, using simple terms that I'll understand, explain the math behind 54-4 being 50 games above .500? Thanks in advance, The Elmira Beaver Who is making that claim? |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jun 13, 2017 7:24:26 GMT -8
The claim is OSU finished 50 games above .500 We played 58 games. In my admittedly non-mathematical mind, 29-29 would be .500 and a record of 54-4 would be 25 games above .500 I've seen a couple people assume that you take out the 4-4 for .500 and are left with 50, and that's where it comes from. But that doesn't make sense to me. Can someone please, using simple terms that I'll understand, explain the math behind 54-4 being 50 games above .500? Thanks in advance, The Elmira Beaver You're right... technically 25 games over... but often used incorrectly. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Jun 13, 2017 7:35:26 GMT -8
or go the other direction.... How many games would you have to lose at 54-4 to reach 54-54? This is the correct response here, It isn't about how you adjust your record, it is about what needs to happen from your current record to wind up at .500. regardless of games left in the season, the measure is always, "how many would you have to lose to be .500" or "how many would you have to win to get to .500" from 54-4 Oregon State would have to lose 50 games in a row to be at .500. that is what it means. It doesn't matter what is actually left in the season to play. a 29-28 team is 1 game over .500 so is a 1-0 team. A 100-0 team is 100 games over .500 when it is games UNDER .500 it becomes games they need to win. 28-29 team is 1 game under .500 and a 0-100 team is 100 games under .500 |
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Post by kersting13 on Jun 13, 2017 7:56:19 GMT -8
The claim is OSU finished 50 games above .500 We played 58 games. In my admittedly non-mathematical mind, 29-29 would be .500 and a record of 54-4 would be 25 games above .500 I've seen a couple people assume that you take out the 4-4 for .500 and are left with 50, and that's where it comes from. But that doesn't make sense to me. Can someone please, using simple terms that I'll understand, explain the math behind 54-4 being 50 games above .500? Thanks in advance, The Elmira Beaver You're right... technically 25 games over... but often used incorrectly. You cannot be serious. He's not right. It's not "often used incorrectly". That's the ONLY way it's EVER used. No one in baseball would ever say that 54-4 is "25 games over .500". No one. 4-4 is .500, 8-4 is 4 games over .500, 4-8 is 4 games under .500, and 54-4 is 50 games over .500. This is how baseball records have been explained for 100+ years by everyone involved in the sport. Now, a 54-4 team is 25 games ahead of a team that is 29-29 (the 29-29 team is 25 games back), because it would take a minimum of 25 games for the team behind to catch up to the team ahead. But that doesn't change the fact that 54-4 is 50 games over .500. |
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Post by sagebrush on Jun 13, 2017 8:14:23 GMT -8
There is a difference between being X games over .500 and X games ahead of a team at .500. If you are 54-4 you are indeed 50 games over .500. You are 25 games ahead of a team that is 29-29 because they would have to win 25 while you lose 25 to tie you.
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Post by kersting13 on Jun 13, 2017 8:16:18 GMT -8
There is a difference between being X games over .500 and X games ahead of a team at .500. If you are 54-4 you are indeed 50 games over .500. You are 25 games ahead of a team that is 29-29 because they would have to win 25 while you lose 25 to tie you. Is there an echo in here? |
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Post by mbabeav on Jun 13, 2017 10:23:38 GMT -8
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Post by elmirabeaver on Jun 13, 2017 13:40:41 GMT -8
The claim is OSU finished 50 games above .500We played 58 games. In my admittedly non-mathematical mind, 29-29 would be .500 and a record of 54-4 would be 25 games above .500 I've seen a couple people assume that you take out the 4-4 for .500 and are left with 50, and that's where it comes from. But that doesn't make sense to me. Can someone please, using simple terms that I'll understand, explain the math behind 54-4 being 50 games above .500? Thanks in advance, The Elmira Beaver Who is making that claim? I'll try to find the citation if you want, although I'm not certain I can, but I saw it as a FB post by OSU. |
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Post by sagebrush on Jun 13, 2017 13:41:07 GMT -8
oopsie. My bad. Reading is fundamental. :>)_
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Post by elmirabeaver on Jun 13, 2017 13:48:09 GMT -8
So, here's what I'm hearing... That's the way its done in baseball. There isn't any real mathematical explanation.
I quit taking math classes after Trig, and was never great at Algebra, but my education leads me to look at a closed set of numbers, that is, there will be no more adding to or subtracting from, of 54-4 and say that 50% of 58 is 29, it follows that 54 is 25 above 50%. Since .500 is merely another way to represent 50%, mathematically we are 25 games above .500
But this is baseball, so it doesn't have to make sense in a logical sense.
Got it.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jun 13, 2017 13:51:30 GMT -8
You're right... technically 25 games over... but often used incorrectly. You cannot be serious. He's not right. It's not "often used incorrectly". That's the ONLY way it's EVER used. No one in baseball would ever say that 54-4 is "25 games over .500". No one. 4-4 is .500, 8-4 is 4 games over .500, 4-8 is 4 games under .500, and 54-4 is 50 games over .500. This is how baseball records have been explained for 100+ years by everyone involved in the sport. Now, a 54-4 team is 25 games ahead of a team that is 29-29 (the 29-29 team is 25 games back), because it would take a minimum of 25 games for the team behind to catch up to the team ahead. But that doesn't change the fact that 54-4 is 50 games over .500. YES... in terms of my reply to his post I'm am right... "You're right" >>>>> it doesn't make any sense in a pure mathematical sense "technically 25 games over" >>>>> his team with a 29-29 record "but often used incorrectly" >>>> > by those talking games ahead vs games over .500 He asked for simplistic... may have been confusing to egotist who thinks he is always right about x's and o's and jimmy and joes, but tried to be short and tie it to his post. But, thx for the basics. LMAO |
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Post by kersting13 on Jun 13, 2017 14:02:51 GMT -8
You cannot be serious. He's not right. It's not "often used incorrectly". That's the ONLY way it's EVER used. No one in baseball would ever say that 54-4 is "25 games over .500". No one. 4-4 is .500, 8-4 is 4 games over .500, 4-8 is 4 games under .500, and 54-4 is 50 games over .500. This is how baseball records have been explained for 100+ years by everyone involved in the sport. Now, a 54-4 team is 25 games ahead of a team that is 29-29 (the 29-29 team is 25 games back), because it would take a minimum of 25 games for the team behind to catch up to the team ahead. But that doesn't change the fact that 54-4 is 50 games over .500. YES... in terms of my reply to his post I'm am right... "You're right" >>>>> it doesn't make any sense in a pure mathematical sense "technically 25 games over" >>>>> his team with a 29-29 record "but often used incorrectly" >>>> > by those talking games ahead vs games over .500 He asked for simplistic... may have been confusing to egotist who thinks he is always right about x's and o's and jimmy and joes, but tried to be short and tie it to his post. But, thx for the basics. LMAO Just. No. |
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