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Post by beavfan14 on Jun 11, 2017 15:58:31 GMT -8
What is an acceptable level of pay to people that Luke can receive. There seems to be some people who say he shouldn't be allowed to play baseball and make a lot of money. So what is acceptable for those people? What if he was in med school. Should he not be allowed to be a doctor? Or an accountant or engineer? So if he worked at McDonald's (not saying that's bad, a job is a job,just asking about money) would that be ok? What is the amount of money he can earn that would be acceptable? What he did was horrible, I'm not going to argue that point, there is no excuse. But he should be allowed to be a productive member of society. Would you rather he be on the streets or failing? Wouldn't that make him more likely to have another problem? I don't know if he should have been allowed to play for OSU in the first place but in my opinion whatever job he has, and yes baseball will be his job, is totally irrelevant as an argument against him.
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Post by bill82 on Jun 12, 2017 8:50:33 GMT -8
Its an emotional issue and it involves a crime with a stigma attached to it that forfeits any math or relational objectivity about fairness. So cant answer your question:-0 Its weird to say but he probably would have been better off killing a man in a fit of rage in terms of getting second chances. This is one of those mental health issues that society does not like to deal with. As long as the mother is outraged and speaking to the press, she can continually undercut his prospects. So in answer to the original question, whatever the mother will allow. It really is a question for her. The press may want to ask her, since they now have on their speed-dial (if that is still a thing). |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jun 12, 2017 9:18:57 GMT -8
This is one of those mental health issues that society does not like to deal with. As long as the mother is outraged and speaking to the press, she can continually undercut his prospects. So in answer to the original question, whatever the mother will allow. It really is a question for her. The press may want to ask her, since they now have on their speed-dial (if that is still a thing). i don't begrudge her this jihad one bit. I hope it gives her some relief of making up for her failed duties as a parent, if that's what she feels happened. She's hurting her daughter more now... not helping. She acts as if she was the victim. She needs to be a supportive parent and not play the victim card. Tragedy, but millions of abuse victims thrive and live fulfilling lives with positive support systems. And "jihad" used in this situation is totally inappropriate, but certainly helps explain your post. |
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Post by 93beav on Jun 12, 2017 13:25:18 GMT -8
This is one of those mental health issues that society does not like to deal with. As long as the mother is outraged and speaking to the press, she can continually undercut his prospects. So in answer to the original question, whatever the mother will allow. It really is a question for her. The press may want to ask her, since they now have on their speed-dial (if that is still a thing). i don't begrudge her this jihad one bit. I hope it gives her some relief of making up for her failed duties as a parent, if that's what she feels happened. I must be mis-reading your post. Are you saying it's her fault, as the parent, that her child got molested?  |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jun 12, 2017 14:00:00 GMT -8
She's hurting her daughter more now... not helping. She acts as if she was the victim. She needs to be a supportive parent and not play the victim card. Tragedy, but millions of abuse victims thrive and live fulfilling lives with positive support systems. And "jihad" used in this situation is totally inappropriate, but certainly helps explain your post. i am flabbergasted by your lack of understanding of what a parent feels like when their child has been wronged, and in this case seriously harmed. Either you don't have kids or you do and i feel sorry for them. Any parent worth a gdamned takes the kid's hurt and internalizes it on themselves. It is her fault she let this happen and she probably knows it but that doesn't mean she is a bad person. I don't understand giving this lady additional grief. That's pre posterously mean spirited. You usually are... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 14:18:01 GMT -8
i am flabbergasted by your lack of understanding of what a parent feels like when their child has been wronged, and in this case seriously harmed. Either you don't have kids or you do and i feel sorry for them. Any parent worth a gdamned takes the kid's hurt and internalizes it on themselves. It is her fault she let this happen and she probably knows it but that doesn't mean she is a bad person. I don't understand giving this lady additional grief. That's pre posterously mean spirited. You usually are... that all you got? baseball011111111 |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jun 12, 2017 16:35:11 GMT -8
that all you got? baseball011111111 That's all I need... you are so off base in this situation in what defines a good parent it was not really worth going into. Not only your verbiage, but in your premise that parents who internalize their kids pain should and have the right to "jihad" (which without looking it up I doubt, like most terrorists, you know the true meaning). I've been dealing with parents and kids from difficult backgrounds and situations for over 31 years. My own kids would verify that although not perfect I've also been a "hell of a Dad". It's been years... Mom should internalize her and her child's pain, but the "public trail" and anger are of no help to anyone at this stage. As a parent you are the "mature" one that now has to redirect that pain into support and recovery. Mom's response with respect to the reporter and in respect of her daughter's current life... "no comment". And, as I said before, a person who thinks Mom's statements years after the fact, and uses the word "jihad" in the phrasing is "good" parenting... well, not much to be said to them. |
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Post by obf on Jun 13, 2017 8:29:14 GMT -8
As a parent I put my child's needs ahead of my own ALWAYS... And IMHO that is how it should be...
Catharsis, revenge and airing grievances (especially for the rest of the family to see, since there is some familial fissures) by the mom in this case, especially when the daughter "Barely remembers", is all about the MOMS needs and wants... but that has been discussed ad nauseum...
Getting back to the original question... how much money and success is appropriate for a felon, especially a felon with a sexual / child molestation past... That is difficult. We like to believe we live in a society that affords second chances, but in reality we don't. The EASIEST route is for the perpetrator of these things to live a quiet, lonely life and to be invisible. A quote from a friend who is not really a baseball fan but who is a "christian"... "What Luke Heimlich did is an UNFORGIVABLE sin"... Seems a little contrary to my view of Jesus, but that is neither here nor there, just using it as an example of society's view of sexual assault and child molestation (interestingly, anecdotal evidence from my own life experiences seems to indicate that child abuse of a non sexual variety [physical and emotional] doesn't seem to elicit as strong as a negative feedback loop). Anything that has to do remotely with a child sexually has a HUGE stigma and is, as my friend said, unforgivable in the eyes of many... Like ash and sack cloths for the rest of your life style unforgivable. Like it might be better for the perpetrator to just find a cliff to walk off unforgivable.
However, selfishly, you would think the victim AND society would want the perpetrator, if truly sorry and repentant, to be AS SUCCESSFUL AS POSSIBLE, thereby being all the more able to continue to pay "restoration", whatever that could mean. If Luke makes some money playing baseball and is therefore able to pay for the girls full college tuition, or start a fund for victims of abuse, or to use his platform as an athlete to speak out against the horrors of child abuse and its cyclic nature (I assume Luke was abused as well... obviously a BIG assumption), then that would benefit the victim and/or society. The deed has been done, no amount of continuing to kick the dog will undo it, so if the victim and society can get some benefit from said dog, you would think that would be preferable. Unfortunately, being emotional, irrational beings we just can't help it, we can't see past the original offense.
I guess that was just a really long, way to say... Reality dictates that, money isn't really the issue, it is the visibility, Luke, and all other sex offenders need to be INVISIBLE, for the rest of their lives, in America today.
Not saying I believe that is what should happen, just saying THAT is now Luke's reality. I would be flabbergasted if he got drafted at all.
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