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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 9, 2017 15:27:36 GMT -8
If Luke has complied with the law, paid his debt to society as determined by our criminal code, and if the only thing he tripped up on was a clerical mistake on a detail regarding his address - with no intent to conceal (he obviously isn't hiding from anyone).
And if his record is otherwise clear.
Then there is no reason he shouldn't be a team member in good standing and be able to compete for the remainder of this season - wherever it leads. And I wish him the best.
[Some folks seem to be bothered not so much by the fact that a former juvenile sex offender is enrolled at OSU or even allowed to play on the OSU baseball team but by the fact that he's achieved success and is and a key part of a highly successful team. But if he's allowed to participate, he's allowed to succeed. They see his competitive success as somehow unfair to the victim. I just don't agree with them on that. And going by the facts as published, I hope he pitches in Omaha. I don't see any "fairness" in holding him out.]
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 15:44:39 GMT -8
Right there with you, brother.
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Post by TonySoprano on Jun 9, 2017 15:48:34 GMT -8
If Luke has complied with the law, paid his debt to society as determined by our criminal code, and if the only thing he tripped up on was a clerical mistake on a detail regarding his address - with no intent to conceal (he obviously isn't hiding from anyone). And if his record is otherwise clear. Then there is no reason he shouldn't be a team member in good standing and be able to compete for the remainder of this season - wherever it leads. And I wish him the best. ^^^^THIS^^^^ |
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Post by rob85 on Jun 9, 2017 15:56:56 GMT -8
My feelings exactly.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jun 9, 2017 15:59:08 GMT -8
Some people apparently believe that he should be held accountable for every bad decision or act that he made as a child, forever. I wonder if those people are forever tormented by every less than perfect choice they made at that age.
What he did goes way beyond "boys will be boys" excusability, but it's not the same (in my opinion anyways) as if it had been done as an adult. He seems to have gone a redeemable route. I don't see excuses. Apparently coaches, the university, pro scouts and even local law enforcement were made aware of his past... by him or his representatives.
At some point does society allow him to get along with his life, assuming he stays within "normal" societal boundaries, or should he be forever sentenced to a life of hell for acts he committed at age 13-15.
Sometimes you can't "take back" what you've done or said, but sometimes you can do your best to get over it and proceed honorably in life.
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Post by ricke71 on Jun 9, 2017 16:24:12 GMT -8
Life is totally about how you respond to negatives...whether they be simple 'mistakes' or serious crimes. If I had been held accountable for all of my mistakes and misjudgements as a minor, my life would have been a downward spiral. As it is, I "lucked out" and now I'm a senior citizen who passed though those youthful years onto a very productive life - being able to count those early mistakes as learning experiences...rather than life changing (read: ruining) episodes.
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Post by zebraworks on Jun 10, 2017 22:28:44 GMT -8
If I had been held accountable for all of my mistakes and misjudgements as a minor, my life would have been a downward spiral. a whole bunch of the supposedly "respected" political class (including most of the recent presidents) in reality could have been felons if they would have been caught and arrested for felony drug possession they were guilty of. |
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Post by rockybeav on Jun 11, 2017 12:59:46 GMT -8
Reading between the lines of the Eggers article, it sounded like there was pressure from the Administration to prevent Luke from pitching. I understand what a delicate position this is, but I don't see any reason for the university to be defense or apologetic. By all accounts Luke has been a stand-up student-athlete and teammate.
If it's true about the administration calling the shots about Luke, is it worth emailing them our thoughts? I know it may not matter, but as an alum I wonder if my voice would at least be heard. I know this can go both ways, as there are different feelings on the matter. I, for one, trust in Pat Casey when he says he believes in Luke. That's good enough for me.
I hope this truly is Luke's decision.
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Post by zebraworks on Jun 11, 2017 22:56:05 GMT -8
no kidding Rockybeav, pretty devastating to play lights out and be a stand out athlete and then when you get to the absolute highest level of competition you don't compete due to politics pressure or public relations of something that you have absolutely zero control over (the past).
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Post by bill82 on Jun 12, 2017 8:43:04 GMT -8
Honestly guys, the whole "fairness" aspect loses out in this discussion because of the stigma of the crime. Luke cant pitch for OS again without damage to Casey, the team, the University The classy way Luke bowed out may have fermented a starter kit of forgiveness for him in the court of public opinion. Its clear he is getting double jeopardied here but that actually helps quell the antagonists who now have to face the fairness question. This may open the door for Luke to get into pro ball. Besides, I shudder to think of just how small that strike zone is going to be if Luke gets in. The ump bias in omaha against Luke and the beavs could be very real. Potential for backfire is huge Beavs have huge momentum heading to omaha. Playing with chips on both shoulders (meggs on one side, luke on the other). Let them show what they are made of. In an alternate universe, where the mother of the victim says she believes in redemption, and if God can forgive LH, she can too, this matter would be behind us. She has defined the trajectory of the story and given vigilante journalists validity. I don't think OSU should let her hold LH's life hostage. They need to support him and make a case for forgiveness especially since no journalist has the courage to take a position in opposition to the sportswriters at the Oregonian. |
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Post by beaverdude on Jun 12, 2017 9:14:32 GMT -8
In an alternate universe, where the mother of the victim says she believes in redemption, and if God can forgive LH, she can too, this matter would be behind us. She has defined the trajectory of the story and given vigilante journalists validity. I don't think OSU should let her hold LH's life hostage. They need to support him and make a case for forgiveness especially since no journalist has the courage to take a position in opposition to the sportswriters at the Oregonian. That universe may never exist until the victims' mother gets some counseling too. Without counseling she will relive the horrible experience over and over again. She needs to know that counseling doesn't make you forget, it teaches you how to cope and move forward with your life. |
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