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Post by grackle on Jun 8, 2017 15:49:44 GMT -8
Apparently several major league teams were aware of the LH situation some time ago. If that's the case, you can bet Casey's been well aware of the history involved and has been monitoring the situation for some time.
OSU policy is not to punish long past transgressions unless there's an indication that the individual in question is still a danger to others. It was very likely that Luke was judged to no longer be a threat when he was admitted to OSU. Moreover, that judgement seems to have been vindicated. Given that set of circumstances the past should just as well have remained between Luke, Pat and the OSU administration.
Unless there was an indication that Luke does indeed pose a threat now, the Oregonian's action here amounts to stinking, cheap, yellow journalism who's main purpose was a sensational headline that will only serve to needlessly hurt everyone involved. This is hardly the first time the Oregonian's operated in such a fashion. They should be ashamed.
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Post by obf on Jun 8, 2017 15:59:34 GMT -8
Apparently several major league teams were aware of the LH situation some time ago. If that's the case, you can bet Casey's been well aware of the history involved and has been monitoring the situation for some time. OSU policy is not to punish long past transgressions unless there's an indication that the individual in question is still a danger to others. It was very likely that Luke was judged to no longer be a threat when he was admitted to OSU. Moreover, that judgement seems to have been vindicated. Given that set of circumstances the past should just as well have remained between Luke, Pat and the OSU administration. Unless there was an indication that Luke does indeed pose a threat now, the Oregonian's action here amounts to stinking, cheap, yellow journalism who's main purpose was a sensational headline that will only serve to needlessly hurt everyone involved. This is hardly the first time the Oregonian's operated in such a fashion. They should be ashamed. And in my view, hurt the poor victim THE MOST. A six year olds hazy memories just got re enforced, bolded and highlighted in yellow, and a poor middle schooler has just had her VERY private, painful and most likely unknown to all her peers past revealed for all the world to see... If I was that poor girls mother I would be suing the Oregonian... My feelings for OSU, Luke, Pat, etc. are.... mixed, but my feelings for the poor girl are only sadness and regret that this ended up in the newspaper... |
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Post by grackle on Jun 8, 2017 16:06:15 GMT -8
All true.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jun 8, 2017 16:09:08 GMT -8
Cue the song "Dirty Laundry" by Don Henley. Watch the old movie "Absence of Malice".....newspaper sells story/posts click bait, and families and victims get to revisit tragic events and bad choices, fans get to grapple with the boundaries of their loyalties.
Not a lot of winners in all of this.
Sigh.
Go Beavers!
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Post by ricke71 on Jun 8, 2017 16:24:58 GMT -8
I sure feel for the girl - now 11 or 12. Her life, changed forever by the sickness of an adolescent cousin.
There are dozens of 'victims' in this tragedy - it touches multiple lives.....including current (innocent) OSU baseball team members who now have to enter the crowning moment of their college careers under an ugly cloud.
I Can't see the girls mother suing the newspaper {"If I was that poor girls mother I would be suing the Oregonian..."} - she, the mother, was source material for the story itself:
she is quoted in the O story as "I'm appalled that the college he's going to would even have him on their team..."
She is still (understandably) bitter and hurt.
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Post by thomasg86 on Jun 8, 2017 16:46:11 GMT -8
Yeah, that's true. This benefits nobody. The most important person the story, that little girl... this does not benefit her in the least. It's just re-opening old, painful wounds.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jun 8, 2017 19:07:51 GMT -8
Apparently several major league teams were aware of the LH situation some time ago. If that's the case, you can bet Casey's been well aware of the history involved and has been monitoring the situation for some time. OSU policy is not to punish long past transgressions unless there's an indication that the individual in question is still a danger to others. It was very likely that Luke was judged to no longer be a threat when he was admitted to OSU. Moreover, that judgement seems to have been vindicated. Given that set of circumstances the past should just as well have remained between Luke, Pat and the OSU administration. Unless there was an indication that Luke does indeed pose a threat now, the Oregonian's action here amounts to stinking, cheap, yellow journalism who's main purpose was a sensational headline that will only serve to needlessly hurt everyone involved. This is hardly the first time the Oregonian's operated in such a fashion. They should be ashamed. She was 6. He was either 13 or 15. That's sick, and so different from other youth wrongdoings. If Casey knew, it's very bad. If he didn't, hit the bricks. |
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Jun 8, 2017 20:55:52 GMT -8
Laws are weird anyway. So what he did has to follow him around for life even though he was 15. Yet if someone say 20 years old had sex w him, they'd be marked for life by the letter of the law because allegedly he wouldn't be old enough to know what he was doing. Seems a little contradictory. Obviously he did a terrible thing and definitely needed the treatment and punishment he got. But if the legal system's stats say that 97.3% do NOT reoffend in his situation after treatment, then maybe we should just let people do their jobs they were trained to do and let Luke play w/o trying him all over again
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Post by waldo on Jun 8, 2017 22:11:06 GMT -8
Apparently several major league teams were aware of the LH situation some time ago. If that's the case, you can bet Casey's been well aware of the history involved and has been monitoring the situation for some time. OSU policy is not to punish long past transgressions unless there's an indication that the individual in question is still a danger to others. It was very likely that Luke was judged to no longer be a threat when he was admitted to OSU. Moreover, that judgement seems to have been vindicated. Given that set of circumstances the past should just as well have remained between Luke, Pat and the OSU administration. Unless there was an indication that Luke does indeed pose a threat now, the Oregonian's action here amounts to stinking, cheap, yellow journalism who's main purpose was a sensational headline that will only serve to needlessly hurt everyone involved. This is hardly the first time the Oregonian's operated in such a fashion. They should be ashamed. And in my view, hurt the poor victim THE MOST. A six year olds hazy memories just got re enforced, bolded and highlighted in yellow, and a poor middle schooler has just had her VERY private, painful and most likely unknown to all her peers past revealed for all the world to see... If I was that poor girls mother I would be suing the Oregonian... My feelings for OSU, Luke, Pat, etc. are.... mixed, but my feelings for the poor girl are only sadness and regret that this ended up in the newspaper... Going to go out on a limb and say Luke hurt this girl the most. And I wouldn't count on the mother suing considering she provided a quote for the article and the reporter is keeping their names private. Hopefully the people with enough knowledge of the family to put 2 and 2 together refrain from doing so and their identities remain as private as possible. Unfortunately this girl and her family were almost certainly going to be subjected to painful reminders regardless of this story. How do you think they'd feel if Luke got all the praise that comes with leading his team to a possible championship, getting drafted fairly high, signing a large bonus, potentially playing in the bigs, etc., and didn't have to face any public scrutiny for his actions? Whether or not this news goes public is a lose-lose situation for them. |
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Post by beaverdude on Jun 9, 2017 7:54:55 GMT -8
Unfortunately this girl and her family were almost certainly going to be subjected to painful reminders regardless of this story. How do you think they'd feel if Luke got all the praise that comes with leading his team to a possible championship, getting drafted fairly high, signing a large bonus, potentially playing in the bigs, etc., and didn't have to face any public scrutiny for his actions? Whether or not this news goes public is a lose-lose situation for them. Its the victim and her families choice to follow (or not) LH's baseball career and accolades. When his record was discovered by "the press" that choice was taken from them as their phone started ringing with questions that forced them to relive the ordeal. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jun 9, 2017 8:07:26 GMT -8
Unfortunately this girl and her family were almost certainly going to be subjected to painful reminders regardless of this story. How do you think they'd feel if Luke got all the praise that comes with leading his team to a possible championship, getting drafted fairly high, signing a large bonus, potentially playing in the bigs, etc., and didn't have to face any public scrutiny for his actions? Whether or not this news goes public is a lose-lose situation for them. Its the victim and her families choice to follow (or not) LH's baseball career and accolades. When his record was discovered by "the press" that choice was taken from them as their phone started ringing with questions that forced them to relive the ordeal. Not sure how their phone starting ringing from a report. The victim and family names are not released in a juvenile case. It was mom's choice to publicly make statements to the reporter. If that's my family and to protect my daughter it's a no comment then dial tone. Mom is hurting for her daughter... But she selfishly had to publicly show anger. That is not protecting her. That is all about Mom letting out frustration and anger... at the tragedy... and from her last quote, the surrounding family. So, my guess is there has been no healing there. There were several "poor" decisions made in the last couple months... but they weren't all Luke's. Let it go people... it's not going away, except eventually for all of us. We were and are truly not part of this and our "fandom" gives us absolutely NO "right to know" in these cases other than the bare minimum. It's now a permanent sub plot to this season and group of young men. Leave it at that. There will be enough public opinion and outcry from outside the OSU family. Support and healing is needed... period. |
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