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Post by Beavcat on Jun 8, 2017 15:15:29 GMT -8
Sounds like Luke is pitching tomorrow, and that legal has told Casey not to comment Coach Casey is known for being a Good Man. I hope he has the strength to make the right decision when it comes to Luke pitching or not. I don't know the details, I'm sure he does. I'll stand by his decision. Go Beavs FTD and Vandy Exactly. None of us knows the whole story. I am not going to waste any time questioning any decisions made by this coaching staff. If Casey says go and Luke is up for it, then @#$%^&* GO! |
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Post by kersting13 on Jun 8, 2017 15:37:01 GMT -8
Legal Counsel be damned... When has that statement ever ended up positive? |
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Post by obf on Jun 8, 2017 15:52:23 GMT -8
Legal Counsel be damned... When has that statement ever ended up positive? Heh... Nixon, Clinton and Trump all listened to their lawyers and advisors, and all three ended up getting (or will probably soon be) impeached... UofO, Baylor, Penn State, etc. all hid behind their lawyers for a time too... In the end being up front, honest, and transparent tends to be the best policy to get in front of the masses letting their imaginations go wild, although probably already too late for that. |
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Post by mbabeav on Jun 8, 2017 15:55:23 GMT -8
Legal Counsel be damned... When has that statement ever ended up positive? As far as I can tell, at this moment there are no legal issues, unless they are created by people speaking on the subject. Only the press has the ability to speak to the current circumstances without concern for legal ramifications, as long as they have their facts straight. I imagine all kinds of student privacy issues as well as the risks of putting just one phrase out there that could be in any way misconstrued. I feel so badly for the Oregonian's decision to put this stuff out there and take something that was a faded memory to a small girl and make it a full slap in the face of a pre-teen. Forget about anything else, to me that is inhumane. But they had the right, and in some people's minds, the responsibility to do this. Things didn't get any easier for the family either. I am going to bet that, unless this reporter was trying to move into another aspect of print journalism, that he might regret what he has done when it comes to covering sports. |
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Post by jimbeav on Jun 8, 2017 16:03:57 GMT -8
I would have to think that Casey's hands are completely, irreversibly tied by student privacy laws. I don't think he can say a damn thing publicly about this in _any_ way whatsoever without risking violating those laws.
Hopefully he is completely transparent to the team in the locker room, and gives his players space to process. This has to feel pretty brutal to them too...
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Post by jrbeavo on Jun 8, 2017 16:17:58 GMT -8
When has that statement ever ended up positive? Heh... Nixon, Clinton and Trump all listened to their lawyers and advisors, and all three ended up getting (or will probably soon be) impeached... UofO, Baylor, Penn State, etc. all hid behind their lawyers for a time too... In the end being up front, honest, and transparent tends to be the best policy to get in front of the masses letting their imaginations go wild, although probably already too late for that. One of those three, in fact, was impeached. The situation here and in those other examples is quite different. In those cases the situation was fluid and incipient. This is a settled matter and the legal advice may be in regard to Heimlich himself. Casey is not in a position to unilaterally ignore the lawyers |
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Post by vhalum92 on Jun 8, 2017 16:36:29 GMT -8
I've been busy in meetings all day so late getting caught up on all of this. My first reaction to a co-worker was "Get him on the Mound!"
No promises he can be himself but time to find out. In a 3 game series the Friday guy probably doesn't pitch again anyway (maybe an inning or two in a game 3 if needed).
If the Program and the University believe they did everything right, don't hide from this on Friday night let the kid pitch and then maybe come Saturday we have all moved on in the "baseball discussion". The societal part of this is deep. I'm still sick to my stomach for everyone involved on this thing... mostly the victim but also Luke's teammates who had nothing to do with any of this and now have the challenge of playing to there potential at a Super Regional.
Sigh.
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Post by badwack on Jun 8, 2017 16:49:43 GMT -8
I would have guessed it would be JT on Friday, Rass or Luke on Sat. This is a real gut check for the Team. If Luke goes at all it is like lighting off Dynamite. He is either soo piss off he Blow Up or soo focused he Blow Up Vandy.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 8, 2017 17:03:43 GMT -8
Heh... Nixon, Clinton and Trump all listened to their lawyers and advisors, and all three ended up getting (or will probably soon be) impeached... UofO, Baylor, Penn State, etc. all hid behind their lawyers for a time too... In the end being up front, honest, and transparent tends to be the best policy to get in front of the masses letting their imaginations go wild, although probably already too late for that. One of those three, in fact, was impeached. The situation here and in those other examples is quite different. In those cases the situation was fluid and incipient. This is a settled matter and the legal advice may be in regard to Heimlich himself. Casey is not in a position to unilaterally ignore the lawyers "They say a man who represents himself has a fool for a client."--Gomez Addams. Clinton was a lawyer and was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice (largely by committing perjury). Nixon was a lawyer. The smoking gun in the Nixon case was that he told his chief of staff to pay an American intelligence officer, who was involved in the Watergate break-in, to keep quiet. Nixon recorded everything, so, naturally, this exchange was recorded. The tape with the exchange was disclosed on August 5, 1974. Three days later, Nixon resigned. Trump is not a lawyer. Many people have indicated that Trump's administration could do with more lawyers. Little of what Trump does appears to be on the advice of counsel. Clinton and Nixon were impeached, because they both thought that they were better lawyers than they were. |
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Post by jrbeavo on Jun 8, 2017 17:48:06 GMT -8
One of those three, in fact, was impeached. The situation here and in those other examples is quite different. In those cases the situation was fluid and incipient. This is a settled matter and the legal advice may be in regard to Heimlich himself. Casey is not in a position to unilaterally ignore the lawyers "They say a man who represents himself has a fool for a client."--Gomez Addams. Clinton was a lawyer and was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice (largely by committing perjury). Nixon was a lawyer. The smoking gun in the Nixon case was that he told his chief of staff to pay an American intelligence officer, who was involved in the Watergate break-in, to keep quiet. Nixon recorded everything, so, naturally, this exchange was recorded. The tape with the exchange was disclosed on August 5, 1974. Three days later, Nixon resigned. Trump is not a lawyer. Many people have indicated that Trump's administration could do with more lawyers. Little of what Trump does appears to be on the advice of counsel. Clinton and Nixon were impeached, because they both thought that they were better lawyers than they were. [b However you choose to remember that period in our history, you don't get to say that Nixon was impeached...he wasn't. That's not my opinion |
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Post by beaverbeliever on Jun 8, 2017 19:37:34 GMT -8
I'd like to see him pitch. According to various websites, in Oregon sex offenders must register within the first 10 days of the offender's birthday month. For Luke, it's April apparently--a busy time of year for him I would assume. Failure to do so is a misdemeanor. I'd like to see OSU stand behind their pitcher--if everything has been on the up and up. The citation was dropped by the DA. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 9, 2017 2:33:51 GMT -8
"They say a man who represents himself has a fool for a client."--Gomez Addams. Clinton was a lawyer and was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice (largely by committing perjury). Nixon was a lawyer. The smoking gun in the Nixon case was that he told his chief of staff to pay an American intelligence officer, who was involved in the Watergate break-in, to keep quiet. Nixon recorded everything, so, naturally, this exchange was recorded. The tape with the exchange was disclosed on August 5, 1974. Three days later, Nixon resigned. Trump is not a lawyer. Many people have indicated that Trump's administration could do with more lawyers. Little of what Trump does appears to be on the advice of counsel. Clinton and Nixon were impeached, because they both thought that they were better lawyers than they were. However you choose to remember that period in our history, you don't get to say that Nixon was impeached...he wasn't. That's not my opinion You are correct. The Articles of Impeachment had already been drawn up and approved before August 5th, though. Nixon resigned, because he would have been impeached, but he likely could have held out into 1975 before he was removed from office. Nixon resigned to give Republicans a chance in the 1974 election. |
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Post by TheGlove on Jun 9, 2017 5:40:00 GMT -8
Let's get off the political history and back to the topic of Beaver baseball.
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Post by obf on Jun 9, 2017 5:46:06 GMT -8
Let's get off the political history and back to the topic of Beaver baseball. Yeah, sorry for leading us down the rabbit hole  My point... We need to here from Pat Casey, the unabridged truth, and soon, very soon... It would also be beneficial to here from Luke, but it is mostly Casey I want to hear talk. It almost doesn't matter what the truth IS we just need to hear it. Either Casey knew from the start, he is giving this young man a second chance, and nothing has changed and they stand behind him (and btw, here are the 11 billion steps we went through to ensure he wasn't a threat to anyone). OR Casey is blind sided, never knew, is devastated and Luke has been dismissed from the team and they are putting safeguards in place to ensure this never happens again. However, the silence? It's deafening and getting louder... |
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Post by jrbeavo on Jun 9, 2017 5:56:28 GMT -8
Let's get off the political history and back to the topic of Beaver baseball. Yeah, sorry for leading us down the rabbit hole My point... We need to here from Pat Casey, the unabridged truth, and soon, very soon... It would also be beneficial to here from Luke, but it is mostly Casey I want to hear talk. It almost doesn't matter what the truth IS we just need to hear it. Either Casey knew from the start, he is giving this young man a second chance, and nothing has changed and they stand behind him (and btw, here are the 11 billion steps we went through to ensure he wasn't a threat to anyone). OR Casey is blind sided, never knew, is devastated and Luke has been dismissed from the team and they are putting safeguards in place to ensure this never happens again. However, the silence? It's deafening and getting louder... Seems clear at this point that Casey's hands are tied by their legal team. I don't believe there is a man alive today who wants to hold a press conference more than Pat Casey does, he is a solid character and that didn't suddenly change in the past few weeks or few years (whatever the case may be). It just seems to me that it's hard to play this game tonight without some sort of acknowledgement of what is happening...its on ESPN and USA Today and who knows where else. This cannot be ignored away. |
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