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Post by beaverstever on May 23, 2017 22:37:05 GMT -8
Kilkenny's original moronic pitch is worth a re-read. Hard to believe this guy got rich in the insurance business. Either he never believed a word of what he was spewing about hole's baseball revenue projections, or the skill of revenue forecasting was not applicable to his line of business. portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/63828-can-uo-make-money
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Post by eugenedave on May 23, 2017 23:15:44 GMT -8
Mentioned in this article is the reason they, uh, elected not to participate in the post-season: "Divide the team’s yearly net loss by its number of games, and the 'ucks lose about $40,000 for every game they play." So they are actually saving money by *not* making it to Omaha! Clearly playing fewer games is the fiscally responsible thing for them to do. I think the buried jersey at home plate is still cursing them.... Go Beavers! The jersey is not buried at home plate. They dug there and did not find it. From what I was told, there are two buried jerseys, and that's all I'm going to say on this subject. Favorite quote in the article? Horton saying: "We were supposed to be in Omaha by now". Gee, ya think so?
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Post by rainmanrich on May 24, 2017 6:28:04 GMT -8
UO does make a lot of money on baseball. The fact that the expenses are much more is another topic. Ethics is all about frame of reference.
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Post by thewizard on May 24, 2017 6:34:27 GMT -8
Kilkenny's original moronic pitch is worth a re-read. Hard to believe this guy got rich in the insurance business. Either he never believed a word of what he was spewing about hole's baseball revenue projections, or the skill of revenue forecasting was not applicable to his line of business. portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/63828-can-uo-make-moneyThe Article linked in this post says it all... Not one team in Division 1 makes a profit! LSU is the closest and they were within $10K in 2006 (They average over 7K fans). It would be interesting to see new numbers ran and see where everyone stacks up now. I am just glad that there is College Baseball to watch every Spring, especially at Oregon State! Go Beavs!
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Post by vhalum92 on May 24, 2017 7:09:19 GMT -8
Following up on my earlier question... I saw we are averaging more than 3,000 in attendance per game. I'm guessing/hoping we are setting a new high in ticket revenue this year.
By my quick math that should put us over the $1.0 million mark for ticket sales on the year.
I'd say those are the important numbers... how many butts are you putting in the seat each game? And compared to LSU we should look at sell outs/seating capacity.
Go Beavs!
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Post by bennyskid on May 24, 2017 7:11:02 GMT -8
That's BS, though. Every article you ever read about how sports are money losers are based on data that are wildly misleading. The budgets rarely include:
1 - Licensing. OSU makes over a million dollars in just the licensing of Beaver gear. And that doesn't include: 2 - Garment Sales. OSU also sells a lot of gear directly through the bookstore, internet and other venues. 3 - Concessions. It varies from school to school whether concessions and parking are including in the revenues. But none of the numbers you've seen include the large payments that Coke and Pepsi pay colleges to be the exclusive vendor on campus - much of the value of which comes from the sports venues. 4 - Scholarships. The marginal cost of OSU educating one more baseball player is negligible. But the university charges the athletic department full out-of-state tuition for the service. That's $27k per athlete. 5 - Venue Advertising. This is usually not included in the budget, as the venue belongs to the school, not the athletic department. In minor league baseball, this is usually roughly a third of the revenues.
Baseball is still a money loser almost everywhere, but it is certainly making money at Texas and LSU and is probably within shouting distance of being profitable at OSU. But we shouldn't mind a modest deficit - the exposure the team brings to OSU is worth much more.
And that's the real problem at UO. It's not just that the baseball team is hemorrhaging money. It's that almost all the coverage of the team is negative. Just losing games wouldn't be bad - it still puts the name out there. But spending millions AND losing AND having terrible attendance just reinforces every negative statement ever made about UO.
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Post by ricke71 on May 24, 2017 9:37:17 GMT -8
snake oil salesman Kilkenny states: "In winning their second straight national title last season, the Beavers drew an average of 2,005 fans per home game. ...Kilkenny thinks the Ducks can beat that..."
I think he neglected to qualify that phrase with: "...every other year that is, for the 3 game series in which we'll be hosting the Beavers..."
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Post by Werebeaver on May 24, 2017 10:41:14 GMT -8
That's BS, though. Every article you ever read about how sports are money losers are based on data that are wildly misleading. The budgets rarely include: 1 - Licensing. OSU makes over a million dollars in just the licensing of Beaver gear. And that doesn't include: 2 - Garment Sales. OSU also sells a lot of gear directly through the bookstore, internet and other venues. 3 - Concessions. It varies from school to school whether concessions and parking are including in the revenues. But none of the numbers you've seen include the large payments that Coke and Pepsi pay colleges to be the exclusive vendor on campus - much of the value of which comes from the sports venues. 4 - Scholarships. The marginal cost of OSU educating one more baseball player is negligible. But the university charges the athletic department full out-of-state tuition for the service. That's $27k per athlete. 5 - Venue Advertising. This is usually not included in the budget, as the venue belongs to the school, not the athletic department. In minor league baseball, this is usually roughly a third of the revenues. Baseball is still a money loser almost everywhere, but it is certainly making money at Texas and LSU and is probably within shouting distance of being profitable at OSU. But we shouldn't mind a modest deficit - the exposure the team brings to OSU is worth much more. And that's the real problem at UO. It's not just that the baseball team is hemorrhaging money. It's that almost all the coverage of the team is negative. Just losing games wouldn't be bad - it still puts the name out there. But spending millions AND losing AND having terrible attendance just reinforces every negative statement ever made about UO. So let me get this straight. The problem isn't that the team is losing, the program is a financial black hole, attendance is pathetic and none of the promises made by Kilkenny and Giansante for resurrecting the program have been kept. The problem is bad press. ok.
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Post by messi on May 24, 2017 10:44:34 GMT -8
It must have ate Kilkenny up inside after OSU won the second national title. 2005: Nice little story for the little school 2006: That was a fluke, right? 2007: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
- Slaps the wrestlers in the face with a 'Its not a money issue, we just don't care about you' move. Probably also to cut the constant Civil War losing.
- Could have started up a gymnastics program for Title 9 reasons, but went with a pseudo-sport. (Would have been nice if they did start a gymnastics program, more OSU Civil War victories)
- Charge people to park at the games, did they still do this a couple weeks back?
- Actually believe that hiring a big name coach from sunny southern California would bring in baseball recruits from everywhere to the rainy northwest.
But thanks for hiring Paul Westhead for WBB. It helped Rueck establish a nice win streak that is still active.
All in all, he hated that OSU won a national title, let alone two, under his watch.
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Post by bennyskid on May 24, 2017 11:01:13 GMT -8
So let me get this straight. The problem isn't that the team is losing, the program is a financial black hole, attendance is pathetic and none of the promises made by Kilkenny and Giansante for resurrecting the program have been kept. The problem is bad press. ok. If you are the Pres. of UO, yes. The biggest reason why schools have athletic departments is because it draws attention to the school, attracting donors and students alike. UO would happily tolerate a $6 million/year loss if it brought that much "advertising". But as things stands, it doesn't.
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Post by joeavocado on May 24, 2017 11:02:21 GMT -8
Found this... PAC 12 2017 Attendance (# of home games) 16. Arizona (28) - 3,268 20. Oregon State (23) - 3,001 28. Arizona State (33) - 2,542 35. Utah (20) - 1,955 48. Oregon (25) - 1,501 50. Stanford (30) - 1,488 75. UCLA (31) - 875 86. Washington State (25) - 776 87. Washington (25) - 775 90. California (28) - 748 106. Southern Cal (28) - 619
So Kilwrestling expected to average over 3,500. Did he really think uo would average #1 attendance in the league? Wow. Without the three OSU games included, uo averages about 1,300 fans this season. Even that seems gracious as most of the televised games looked like a few hundred fans. Although they probably have season ticket holders that stay home unless they are in the Top 10, cause after all they are fair weather duck fans. Unless you have a Top 20 team, it's very difficult to get people to watch games in the NW in March and April. Look at UW, lots of recent investment in their baseball facility, a decent team, and they only average 775 fans? Ouch.
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Post by Werebeaver on May 24, 2017 11:07:50 GMT -8
Found this... PAC 12 2017 Attendance (# of home games) 16. Arizona (28) - 3,268 20. Oregon State (23) - 3,001 28. Arizona State (33) - 2,542 35. Utah (20) - 1,955 48. Oregon (25) - 1,501 50. Stanford (30) - 1,488 75. UCLA (31) - 875 86. Washington State (25) - 776 87. Washington (25) - 775 90. California (28) - 748 106. Southern Cal (28) - 619 So Kilwrestling expected to average over 3,500. Did he really think uo would average #1 attendance in the league? Wow. Without the three OSU games included, uo averages about 1,300 fans this season. Even that seems gracious as most of the televised games looked like a few hundred fans. Although they probably have season ticket holders that stay home unless they are in the Top 10, cause after all they are fair weather duck fans. Unless you have a Top 20 team, it's very difficult to get people to watch games in the NW in March and April. Look at UW, lots of recent investment in their baseball facility, a decent team, and they only average 775 fans? Ouch. It's been documented that *uck "attendance" numbers routinely include game day staff, security, concessions workers and on-field coaches and competitors. No joke.
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Post by bbfan on May 24, 2017 11:39:20 GMT -8
Unfortunately averaging 3000 in attendance isn't 3000 tickets sold. I think paid tickets is around 2000 when you back out students, sponsors, athletic and university personnel etc.
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Post by bbfan on May 24, 2017 11:41:26 GMT -8
It's been documented that *uck "attendance" numbers routinely include game day staff, security, concessions workers and on-field coaches and competitors. No joke. That's common for almost everyone in the industry
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on May 24, 2017 12:13:33 GMT -8
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