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Post by joecool on May 18, 2017 6:38:40 GMT -8
I seriously doubt that whoever starts the first game of the regional would come back and pitch the deciding game if needed. We have enough arms to not worry about that. Two days rest is not enough.
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Post by ochobeavo on May 18, 2017 7:15:53 GMT -8
Game 1 starter? I'm squarely in the "start the guy with a 0.76 ERA in 94 innings camp."
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Post by joecool on May 18, 2017 7:46:03 GMT -8
Game 1 starter? I'm squarely in the "start the guy with a 0.76 ERA in 94 innings camp." I mostly agree with this. But if the matchup strongly dictates starting a RHP, we do have the luxury of using Thompson. |
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Post by beaverama1 on May 18, 2017 8:45:03 GMT -8
I seriously doubt that whoever starts the first game of the regional would come back and pitch the deciding game if needed. We have enough arms to not worry about that. Two days rest is not enough. If you go 3-0, you probably won't have to but if we lose a game I would almost guarantee we see Heimlich (or whoever starts game 1) again. Happened with Andrew Moore in 2014. He started the first game Friday against North Dakota State and then pitched Monday in the close out game. Also happened in 2013 (albiet in the Super Regionals) when Boyd came into close against Kansas State after starting the first game of the series. Casey is going to lean on his best players in the postseason and that means lots of innings for Heimlich and Thompson (even in odd situations). |
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Post by beaverama1 on May 18, 2017 9:03:12 GMT -8
Disagree all you want, but to say that it never happens is incorrect. Plenty of highly seeded teams have done this in the past and emerged as you would expect. I understand the valid arguments against doing this, but I am unwavering in my philosophy. If we can't win our 1-4 matchup with Drew or another combo, don't expect to win it all this year. I've seen teams start their #2 guy in the first game of a regional. But starting Drew who will likely still be on a pitch count and only starting his 4th game of the season is not the same thing. It's not like we're going to be playing Portland -- you're playing a team that has probably won 30-40 games and likely has a decent #1 starter (and maybe not much else). For reference here's what has happened the last few times we played a 4-seed: 2014: 2-0 win against North Dakota State 2013: 5-4 walkoff win against Texas San Antonio 2011: 7-4 win -- down 4-0 in the 4th inning and only up 5-4 into the 8th inning Is the 2017 team better than those three teams? So far yes, but I don't think they're head and shoulders better than the 2013 or 2014 teams that struggled in those opening games -- especially if KJ and Nick are dinged up. |
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Post by jrbeavo on May 18, 2017 11:29:40 GMT -8
Disagree all you want, but to say that it never happens is incorrect. Plenty of highly seeded teams have done this in the past and emerged as you would expect. I understand the valid arguments against doing this, but I am unwavering in my philosophy. If we can't win our 1-4 matchup with Drew or another combo, don't expect to win it all this year. I've seen teams start their #2 guy in the first game of a regional. But starting Drew who will likely still be on a pitch count and only starting his 4th game of the season is not the same thing. It's not like we're going to be playing Portland -- you're playing a team that has probably won 30-40 games and likely has a decent #1 starter (and maybe not much else). For reference here's what has happened the last few times we played a 4-seed: 2014: 2-0 win against North Dakota State 2013: 5-4 walkoff win against Texas San Antonio 2011: 7-4 win -- down 4-0 in the 4th inning and only up 5-4 into the 8th inning Is the 2017 team better than those three teams? So far yes, but I don't think they're head and shoulders better than the 2013 or 2014 teams that struggled in those opening games -- especially if KJ and Nick are dinged up. |
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Post by jrbeavo on May 18, 2017 11:31:57 GMT -8
Disagree all you want, but to say that it never happens is incorrect. Plenty of highly seeded teams have done this in the past and emerged as you would expect. I understand the valid arguments against doing this, but I am unwavering in my philosophy. If we can't win our 1-4 matchup with Drew or another combo, don't expect to win it all this year. I've seen teams start their #2 guy in the first game of a regional. But starting Drew who will likely still be on a pitch count and only starting his 4th game of the season is not the same thing. It's not like we're going to be playing Portland -- you're playing a team that has probably won 30-40 games and likely has a decent #1 starter (and maybe not much else). For reference here's what has happened the last few times we played a 4-seed: 2014: 2-0 win against North Dakota State 2013: 5-4 walkoff win against Texas San Antonio 2011: 7-4 win -- down 4-0 in the 4th inning and only up 5-4 into the 8th inning Is the 2017 team better than those three teams? So far yes, but I don't think they're head and shoulders better than the 2013 or 2014 teams that struggled in those opening games -- especially if KJ and Nick are dinged up. All valid and fair points... |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 11:55:37 GMT -8
I've seen teams start their #2 guy in the first game of a regional. But starting Drew who will likely still be on a pitch count and only starting his 4th game of the season is not the same thing. It's not like we're going to be playing Portland -- you're playing a team that has probably won 30-40 games and likely has a decent #1 starter (and maybe not much else). For reference here's what has happened the last few times we played a 4-seed: 2014: 2-0 win against North Dakota State 2013: 5-4 walkoff win against Texas San Antonio 2011: 7-4 win -- down 4-0 in the 4th inning and only up 5-4 into the 8th inning Is the 2017 team better than those three teams? So far yes, but I don't think they're head and shoulders better than the 2013 or 2014 teams that struggled in those opening games -- especially if KJ and Nick are dinged up. All valid and fair points... hey guys i don't want to drive traffic to Olive but they put an art- Drew is going to be the number 3. Thompson going to 2. For next series and maybe for good. So i guess we gotta like that. I know it's dicey to keep starting the guy with an ERA only detected by electron microscopes and then to have to win the second game with your guy who is somehow undefeated despite having an ERA well over 1.01. What happens if Drew's stuff keeps rounding into shape? Will the bullpen ever get any work? And if so, how depressed will opposing teams be when they see how filthy Eisert is or what a sidewinding killer Mad Max is? I chuckle at the upcoming misfortune of the beavs tourney opponents. |
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Post by beaverama1 on May 18, 2017 13:18:09 GMT -8
Hahaha good point blowcheese. Arguing about which one of our starters with a sub-2 ERA should start when is definitely a good problem to have. Even if Drew doesn't get back to 100%, if Luke and Jake continue to pitch the way they have all season we're going to be very, very difficult to beat.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 18, 2017 13:19:49 GMT -8
Disagree all you want, but to say that it never happens is incorrect. Plenty of highly seeded teams have done this in the past and emerged as you would expect. I understand the valid arguments against doing this, but I am unwavering in my philosophy. If we can't win our 1-4 matchup with Drew or another combo, don't expect to win it all this year. I've seen teams start their #2 guy in the first game of a regional. But starting Drew who will likely still be on a pitch count and only starting his 4th game of the season is not the same thing. It's not like we're going to be playing Portland -- you're playing a team that has probably won 30-40 games and likely has a decent #1 starter (and maybe not much else). For reference here's what has happened the last few times we played a 4-seed: 2014: 2-0 win against North Dakota State 2013: 5-4 walkoff win against Texas San Antonio 2011: 7-4 win -- down 4-0 in the 4th inning and only up 5-4 into the 8th inning Is the 2017 team better than those three teams? So far yes, but I don't think they're head and shoulders better than the 2013 or 2014 teams that struggled in those opening games -- especially if KJ and Nick are dinged up. Oregon State actually played fourth-seeded VCU in 2015 in game 4 and lost 5-1 and played fourth-seeded Louisiana-Monroe in 2012 and won 11-2, but I suppose that you are talking about playing 4-seeds as a 1-seed: 2014: 2-1 win against North Dakota State. Bison up 1-0 in the top of the second. The game remained tied until the seventh, when Dylan Davis homered. Moore struck out a career-high 14 in his eight innings. 2013: 5-4 against UTSA. The Roadrunners led 1-0, 2-1, and took a 4-3 lead into the ninth. Dylan Davis doubled home Tyler Smith and Michael Conforto to win 5-4. True freshman, Max Engelbrekt, picked up the win. Engelbrekt also picked up the win in the regular season finale against Washington State. The next day, Engelbrekt picked up the save in the UCSB game. Engelbrekt finished with five wins (5-1) and five saves as a true freshman. 2011: 7-4 against Arkansas-Little Rock. Oregon State was schizophrenic that year. The Beavers started 37-12 and were ranked as high as #2 (Baseball America and Collegiate Baseball). Oregon State then lost a home series to eighth-place USC and followed that up by getting swept by ninth-place Oregon in Eugene (being outscored 14-2), in order to cough up any chance of getting a national seed. The Beavers finished on a five-game losing streak, failing to score in the 15 innings to end the season. 2006: 5-3 against Wright State. Chris Kunda hit a two-run, two-out double in the bottom of the eighth to plate the go-ahead runs. 2005: 4-3 against Ohio State. Ohio State led 3-2 entering the eighth. Dallas Buck allowed three runs, two earned, in 7 1/3 but left with runners on second and third with one out in the eighth. Kevin Gunderson entered and struck out Ronnie Bourquin (2nd round of the 2006 draft). Gunderson then intentionally walked Jason Zoeller to load the bases and induced Adam Schneider to ground out to end the threat. Jacoby Ellsbury lead off the bottom of the eighth with a double. Tyler Graham sacrificed Ellsbury to third. After an out, Darwin Barney and Mitch Canham walked to load the bases. Cole Gillespie singled to right, scoring Ellsbury, but Barney was thrown out at the plate to keep the score tied at 3. Gunderson held Ohio State at bay in the ninth. Shea McFeely led off the ninth. He hit the first pitch that he saw over the fence in left center for the win. In the other opening games for Oregon State since 2005: 2015: 5-4 win against Texas. 2012: 2-1 win against Belmont. 2010: 6-4 win against Florida Atlantic. 2009: 9-8 win against Texas A&M. 2007: 5-1 win against Rutgers. Since 1986, Oregon State is a perfect 10-0 in regional openers. However, six of those wins have been by one run, two by two runs, one by three, and one by four. Between 1952 and 2005, Oregon State was 0-5 in postseason openers. In 1952, Oregon State won the first game of its regional against Fresno en route to the College World Series. The score? 2-1. |
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Post by beaverama1 on May 18, 2017 14:21:17 GMT -8
Good stuff wilkyisdashiznit. I looked right at that NDSU score on AD website and I still typed 2-0 whoops. Seems like we have struggled in basically every G1 as a regional host (that's what I was specifically getting at) in the modern era. Hopefully that won't be an issue this year as we'll be trotting out possibly the #1 starting pitcher in the nation.
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Post by sagebrush on May 18, 2017 15:56:11 GMT -8
Worry about today's game today. Worry about tomorrow's game tomorrow. Get that fouled up and it is two and Q.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 18, 2017 17:43:01 GMT -8
I seriously doubt that whoever starts the first game of the regional would come back and pitch the deciding game if needed. We have enough arms to not worry about that. Two days rest is not enough. If you go 3-0, you probably won't have to but if we lose a game I would almost guarantee we see Heimlich (or whoever starts game 1) again. Happened with Andrew Moore in 2014. He started the first game Friday against North Dakota State and then pitched Monday in the close out game. Also happened in 2013 (albiet in the Super Regionals) when Boyd came into close against Kansas State after starting the first game of the series. Casey is going to lean on his best players in the postseason and that means lots of innings for Heimlich and Thompson (even in odd situations). Andrew Moore threw two innings in 2014 on two days' rest. UC Irvine's Andrew Morales started on two days' rest and threw 4 1/3 innings of three-hit ball. Matt Boyd threw 1 1/3 in 2013 on one day's rest. He got the save, but his save involved Michael Conforto gunning down Kansas State's Blake DeBord at the plate in the eighth. In 2006, Jonah Nickerson threw 7 1/3 in game two. He returned on two days' rest and threw 7 2/3, allowing two hits . Nickerson then returned on three days' rest to throw 6 2/3. Dallas Buck pitched 1 1/3 innings on one day's rest after throwing 6 1/3. Kevin Gunderson threw 5 1/3 innings of relief and then returned on zero days' rest to throw 2/3 of an inning. |
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Post by zeroposter on May 18, 2017 18:13:47 GMT -8
Throw in the BYU possibilities as mentioned in the articles into this thread, and the pitching rotation boggles my little mind. Lol. I doubt the Beaver coaches consider this at all, but it is interesting from a fan thread perspective.
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