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Post by baseba1111 on May 17, 2017 11:24:50 GMT -8
Mike Parker and Jim Wilson, during baseball coverage last night, 'hinted' heavily towards Drew returning. I also do not understand the negative talk on his attitude. What I saw, on and off the court, was a focused intensity on the opposition. Never saw any coach: bench issues. Only 'remote' thing I saw was him announcing for NBA - but, so what, many guys go through that process. I agree that he needs further development, but he seems to be very skilled and a quick learner with a high motor. I wish him the best however his future plans play out.Don't want to see him end up overseas. Do you attend games in person?? There were numerous indications of poor attitude, shunning coaches when coming to the bench, and not being wholly supportive/enthusiastic when on the bench. It is not some made up fan bias. There are many people that have witnessed it, some in other areas outside of hoops. Some in the building actually insinuated that the early season "love" WT gave Drew early in the season was an indication of the problem. WT never had to publicly overly praise any other player about his work ethic or "coachability". Drew's comments and position this post season has been very much "me me me". I'm not sure I saw Stevie or his family post anything about the draft or combine. Plain and simple, it is very apparent Drew does not want to go to school and play basketball... everything he and his family have posted or been quoted on speak to that. OSU's program is much better off without his talent with that attitude. AND... WT can not afford to have another season like last year, and any indication that Drew could be a "cancer" of sorts would be a huge detriment to him turning this ship around. The real issue as I see it, what if Drew wants to come back?
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2ndGenBeaver
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on May 17, 2017 11:43:55 GMT -8
I tend to agree with the last few posters on this thread - I didn't observe any overt negative behaviors from Drew during games or on the bench, or at least none I would ascribe to anything more than the scoreboard or season record.....though I have never attended a practice, so there is a large component of behavior I can't have an opinion on. I also think that WT's comments on the "Drew declaring for draft" situation could have been catering to the fact that any D1 recruit at this level would want a coach to support their dream of playing in the NBA, so he was saying all the right things there. Now, I do fear that Drew might be getting impatient, hopefully as a product of his youth and budding talent (and I hope fervently he isn't getting crappy advice or any academic reasons (ranging from motivation to performance)) for him getting impatient to "make it to the bigs".
But that said, I am hoping that he comes back equipped with information on areas for improvement (not being invited to the NBA combine makes me think there *are* areas for him to improve) and with a dose of humility regarding advice he may or may not be getting. Unless he is the root cause of all of our disfunction this past year, of course :-).
Go Beavs!
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Post by baseba1111 on May 17, 2017 12:13:01 GMT -8
I tend to agree with the last few posters on this thread - I didn't observe any overt negative behaviors from Drew during games or on the bench, or at least none I would ascribe to anything more than the scoreboard or season record.....though I have never attended a practice, so there is a large component of behavior I can't have an opinion on. I also think that WT's comments on the "Drew declaring for draft" situation could have been catering to the fact that any D1 recruit at this level would want a coach to support their dream of playing in the NBA, so he was saying all the right things there. Now, I do fear that Drew might be getting impatient, hopefully as a product of his youth and budding talent (and I hope fervently he isn't getting crappy advice or any academic reasons (ranging from motivation to performance)) for him getting impatient to "make it to the bigs". But that said, I am hoping that he comes back equipped with information on areas for improvement (not being invited to the NBA combine makes me think there *are* areas for him to improve) and with a dose of humility regarding advice he may or may not be getting. Unless he is the root cause of all of our disfunction this past year, of course :-). Go Beavs! I'm sure Drew wasn't the "cause", but I'm fairly certain he was not a real positive presence and with the season they experienced it might have even been magnified. But, his extensive work on his "outside game"... is not what OSU needs from him. It is not as if he had an extensive "inside game". Drew was just beginning to have a couple go to moves, he by no means has anywhere near a complete inside game. To be working almost solely on a face up game tells me all I want to know. This is all about Drew's development for the pro game and honestly quite the farce. He is very young and rough in terms of developing any type of pro worthy outside game. What would make him much more valuable, to OSU and in the NBA, is to have a complete inside game of a true center and gain some strength. He'd be in a very select group and have much more value than being below par in both areas of his game... IMHO.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on May 17, 2017 13:15:19 GMT -8
I don't see Drew being a top 10-15 center at this level, ever. I don't see Drew being one of the top 10-20 forwards at this level, yet.
It's too bad OSU wasn't in the position of being able to redshirt him from the get-go and give him a crash course in ball handling. He still might be able to get there, but he needs work. What he has been working on, according to reports, will pay off in his game development. Will it pay off this year? I think he'll be improved, how much will be seen.
One thing about Drew, he did improve during the season quite a bit in my opinion. He went from being in foul trouble every game to being able to play entire games with fouls to spare. Part of that was bringing Big G on the court at the same time so Drew didn't have to play 1 on 3 the whole game, part of that is he just plain got better. He also became a bit more of a medium range shooting threat over the course of the season. He still needs to work on his ball handling from mid-range and the perimeter to reduce his being a turnover threat, it sounds as though he's working on it.
As far as the team cancer theory, I can't say. What I saw was a kid asked to shoulder a heck of a lot of responsibility on an undermanned team and getting frustrated by it. I'm hoping the return of Tres and continued improvement by others takes some of the pressure off Drew and he can play his part.
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Post by bbfan on May 17, 2017 14:38:42 GMT -8
Have to agree with Baseball that Drew had an attitude issue last year. I do think the attitude will improve as the team results improve. At this point I want him back but hope his mindset is in the right place when things aren't going great at times next season
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Post by obf on May 17, 2017 15:19:12 GMT -8
I tend to agree with the last few posters on this thread - I didn't observe any overt negative behaviors from Drew during games or on the bench, or at least none I would ascribe to anything more than the scoreboard or season record.....though I have never attended a practice, so there is a large component of behavior I can't have an opinion on. I also think that WT's comments on the "Drew declaring for draft" situation could have been catering to the fact that any D1 recruit at this level would want a coach to support their dream of playing in the NBA, so he was saying all the right things there. Now, I do fear that Drew might be getting impatient, hopefully as a product of his youth and budding talent (and I hope fervently he isn't getting crappy advice or any academic reasons (ranging from motivation to performance)) for him getting impatient to "make it to the bigs". But that said, I am hoping that he comes back equipped with information on areas for improvement (not being invited to the NBA combine makes me think there *are* areas for him to improve) and with a dose of humility regarding advice he may or may not be getting. Unless he is the root cause of all of our disfunction this past year, of course :-). Go Beavs! I'm sure Drew wasn't the "cause", but I'm fairly certain he was not a real positive presence and with the season they experienced it might have even been magnified. But, his extensive work on his "outside game"... is not what OSU needs from him. It is not as if he had an extensive "inside game". Drew was just beginning to have a couple go to moves, he by no means has anywhere near a complete inside game. To be working almost solely on a face up game tells me all I want to know. This is all about Drew's development for the pro game and honestly quite the farce. He is very young and rough in terms of developing any type of pro worthy outside game. What would make him much more valuable, to OSU and in the NBA, is to have a complete inside game of a true center and gain some strength. He'd be in a very select group and have much more value than being below par in both areas of his game... IMHO. This is where his NBA advice and you differ... and I have to agree with the NBA advisors. Drew is never likely to be a "True Center"... not even a college "True Center", heck there aren't even 30 "True Centers" in the world for all the NBA teams to have just one. He just doesn't have the height (6-10 says the press guide, and that is probably being generous), or bulk, or frame... He can learn all the inside moves and tricks he wants, Gobert, KAT, The Brow, Boogie, Even Portland's Jusef Nurkic will still make him their b**ch all day every day... However Drew COULD be a very good stretch 4, think the Dirk Nowitzki, LMA, mold. Did those guys have an inside game? Of course, but they were implementing them against the other teams power forward, not center (because they usually were playing with a center on their side as well) This brings me to my query... What would it look like, and would it be effective if we had Big G and Drew both starting? A Twin Towers type of deal, in that case having one or both of them have some outside game would be great. And then who ever has the opposing power forward defending them can take them inside for some punishment... Ethan - Stephan - Tres (PG, guy who starts the offense/Small Forward??) - Drew - Big G --- That's a solid starting Pac-12 lineup.... Right??? Jaquori, Kendal, and a couple of the new guys off the bench?
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Post by obf on May 17, 2017 15:23:14 GMT -8
Too answer the OP:
1.) I have done several 360s on this, and I am all the way back around to hoping he comes back but assuming he wont, so I guess that is a No
2.) Yes, regardless of scholarship impact they sign Mcintosh
3.) Depending on scholarships... Yes
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Post by baseba1111 on May 17, 2017 22:39:18 GMT -8
"However Drew COULD be a very good stretch 4, think the Dirk Nowitzki, LMA, mold."
You're correct... whatever NBA expert says Drew has a "chance" to be a stretch 4 is talking YEARS down the road. At the level of those listed... NEVER! Drew is not even Myers Leonard possible.
To go from turnover machine, no face up game at all (it was a shock to anyone when a 15' fell), poor ball handler, zero game experience of the footwork needed to play/defend outside to a stretch 4 in the NBA is an incredible jump. Especially because the draft is full of much more skilled players every year.
All that said... go for it Drew. But, that is not what WT needs. OSU isn't the "get Drew ready for the NBA camp". And, by the way, Big G has a much better face up game/shot than Drew... he could be the big difference maker... if Tres and Kone are 100% healthy.
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Post by obf on May 18, 2017 9:23:00 GMT -8
"However Drew COULD be a very good stretch 4, think the Dirk Nowitzki, LMA, mold." You're correct... whatever NBA expert says Drew has a "chance" to be a stretch 4 is talking YEARS down the road. At the level of those listed... NEVER! Drew is not even Myers Leonard possible. To go from turnover machine, no face up game at all (it was a shock to anyone when a 15' fell), poor ball handler, zero game experience of the footwork needed to play/defend outside to a stretch 4 in the NBA is an incredible jump. Especially because the draft is full of much more skilled players every year. All that said... go for it Drew. But, that is not what WT needs. OSU isn't the "get Drew ready for the NBA camp". And, by the way, Big G has a much better face up game/shot than Drew... he could be the big difference maker... if Tres and Kone are 100% healthy. Oh, Meyers Leonard... talk about a headcase and a waste of extreme physical ability... I hope he blossoms someday or finally finds some confidence, or whatever... But I hope he does it far, far away from my Blazers... seriously, package him with a draft pick and trade them away for NOTHING (and cap space), classic addition by subtraction case I agree, Drew is far, Far, FAR away from being either a polished stretch 4 or a "true center", but I have always been a "What is good for the goose is good for the gander" type of guy. If stretch 4 is what Drew wants to be and is what he is willing to work hardest to achieve, then help him get there, and in the end he will be a better college player to. Really scoring (other than dunk put backs or nice passes which led to dunks) wasn't his best asset anyways, shot blocking and rebounding was. And GP2 showed that those things can be achieved from anywhere and any position. Plus, it can only help recruiting if WT is seen as a guy that help prepare you for the NBA. (Football wise, that is the only reason we even got in the door with guys like Sean Mannion, Riley was one of the few good, Pro Style QB groomers left in the college game) Speaking of the depth of the draft, of all drafts for Drew to try and proffer his raw, yet intriguing potential, this is NOT the one... This is the deepest and best draft in YEARS. Finally, baseba1111 , no comment on if going with a more twin Towers look would be beneficial for the beavs going forward? Thanks for the reminder that Kone is still on this team, hopefully he blossoms next year as well... After watching him for a few plays here and there this last season anyone have a good feel for where he will end up?
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Post by baseba1111 on May 18, 2017 11:06:40 GMT -8
"However Drew COULD be a very good stretch 4, think the Dirk Nowitzki, LMA, mold." You're correct... whatever NBA expert says Drew has a "chance" to be a stretch 4 is talking YEARS down the road. At the level of those listed... NEVER! Drew is not even Myers Leonard possible. To go from turnover machine, no face up game at all (it was a shock to anyone when a 15' fell), poor ball handler, zero game experience of the footwork needed to play/defend outside to a stretch 4 in the NBA is an incredible jump. Especially because the draft is full of much more skilled players every year. All that said... go for it Drew. But, that is not what WT needs. OSU isn't the "get Drew ready for the NBA camp". And, by the way, Big G has a much better face up game/shot than Drew... he could be the big difference maker... if Tres and Kone are 100% healthy. Oh, Meyers Leonard... talk about a headcase and a waste of extreme physical ability... I hope he blossoms someday or finally finds some confidence, or whatever... But I hope he does it far, far away from my Blazers... seriously, package him with a draft pick and trade them away for NOTHING (and cap space), classic addition by subtraction case I agree, Drew is far, Far, FAR away from being either a polished stretch 4 or a "true center", but I have always been a "What is good for the goose is good for the gander" type of guy. If stretch 4 is what Drew wants to be and is what he is willing to work hardest to achieve, then help him get there, and in the end he will be a better college player to. Really scoring (other than dunk put backs or nice passes which led to dunks) wasn't his best asset anyways, shot blocking and rebounding was. And GP2 showed that those things can be achieved from anywhere and any position. Plus, it can only help recruiting if WT is seen as a guy that help prepare you for the NBA. (Football wise, that is the only reason we even got in the door with guys like Sean Mannion, Riley was one of the few good, Pro Style QB groomers left in the college game) Speaking of the depth of the draft, of all drafts for Drew to try and proffer his raw, yet intriguing potential, this is NOT the one... This is the deepest and best draft in YEARS. Finally, baseba1111 , no comment on if going with a more twin Towers look would be beneficial for the beavs going forward? Thanks for the reminder that Kone is still on this team, hopefully he blossoms next year as well... After watching him for a few plays here and there this last season anyone have a good feel for where he will end up? IMHO... I'm not sure what the outside "weave" action (tons of teams do it... and I hate it) and twin towers would produce??? I would "open" up the middle more to let the guys we have be able to slash/finish or kick to shooters. We have fairly athletic bigs, albeit none have shown the consistent ability to pick and pop, the twin towers as typically utilized leads to a lot of standing around. I like motion and making everyone "hard to guard". As of now we are very predictable, defenses can run to a spot and find their "guard". We also do not have a lot of controlled/skilled ball handlers that can create their own shot consistently. Hence, more of a motion offense... all 5 in motion... would make more sense and in essence improve everyone's overall game.
Big G is the only big that has shown a little 'power' to finish, Drew was all finesse and dunks. Kone is a complete unknown as he had zero lift and with how the season projected hated he wasn't RS. Playing him ultimately made zero difference, but that is 20/20 hindsight I guess.
To me I am just surprised how little we do offensively. I'm not a big fan of "call a play" every time down the court. But, if my HS teams could transition into a Flex (hi or low cut), or 1-4 high, or 1-4 Low, or 5 out motion, and run a set 2-man or 3-man play why are we so limited???
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Post by shelby on May 18, 2017 14:00:06 GMT -8
Personally, for me, it's all about boxing out on rebounds and having 3-4 guys that can 'consistently' hit the three ball. Watching our inability to defend or shoot the three drove me crazy.
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Post by atownbeaver on May 18, 2017 14:57:22 GMT -8
Mike Parker and Jim Wilson, during baseball coverage last night, 'hinted' heavily towards Drew returning. I also do not understand the negative talk on his attitude. What I saw, on and off the court, was a focused intensity on the opposition. Never saw any coach: bench issues. Only 'remote' thing I saw was him announcing for NBA - but, so what, many guys go through that process. I agree that he needs further development, but he seems to be very skilled and a quick learner with a high motor. I wish him the best however his future plans play out.Don't want to see him end up overseas. Do you attend games in person?? There were numerous indications of poor attitude, shunning coaches when coming to the bench, and not being wholly supportive/enthusiastic when on the bench. It is not some made up fan bias. There are many people that have witnessed it, some in other areas outside of hoops. Some in the building actually insinuated that the early season "love" WT gave Drew early in the season was an indication of the problem. WT never had to publicly overly praise any other player about his work ethic or "coachability". Drew's comments and position this post season has been very much "me me me". I'm not sure I saw Stevie or his family post anything about the draft or combine. Plain and simple, it is very apparent Drew does not want to go to school and play basketball... everything he and his family have posted or been quoted on speak to that. OSU's program is much better off without his talent with that attitude. AND... WT can not afford to have another season like last year, and any indication that Drew could be a "cancer" of sorts would be a huge detriment to him turning this ship around. The real issue as I see it, what if Drew wants to come back? Drew Eubanks drama is like the Seth Collins drama. Does he or does he not have an attitude problem? what about mystery injury or suspension? what about leaving the team and rejoining? Amusing that we are seeing some of the same drama and conjecture that we saw with Collins. I am in the camp that I saw a person that was at odds with the team and coaching staff, and had adopted the me-first and think about my NBA future attitude.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on May 18, 2017 17:40:32 GMT -8
I'm really looking forward to see what happens with Kone over this year and next. I thought he passed the eye test, despite playing very tentatively (in my opinion), I'm thinking because of his knee and being new. After a season of essentially rehab I'm hoping he's more comfortable and can show us some stuff.
With Drew back, this could be an interesting year ahead.
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